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Replying To daytona11:  "Dont matter. See how they go in the semi? If Galligan in goal does well he might get the nod. But Comerford or Cluxton might get it either. Who else then? The Dubs done 10 in a row."
What does 10 in a row got to do with this year All Stars.? You're just picking Cluxton on his reputation, he's had little to do so far.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 25/11/2020 18:32:57    2315360

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Replying To daytona11:  "S Cluxton Dublin

Mullen Mayo
Fitzsimons Dublin
Maher Tipp
Durcan Mayo
Small Dublin
Murchan Dublin

Fenton Dublin
Mc Kiernan Cavan

Galligan Cavan
Scully Dublin
Kilkenny Dublin

C. O'Connor Mayo
O'Callaghan Dublin
Sweeney Tipp


See above. Dubs 10 in a row deserves to be honoured. They net a decent Laois and Meath team on there way. A division 1 team at that in Meath. Laois and Meath would cause any Division 1 teams apart from the dubs serious problems on their day.

Tipp, taking away the romance haven't really bet a team at a significant level at the moment. The Cork result was no shock being honest. That's the reason why I have given them 2.

Cluxton made a tremendous save versus Meath and kick-outs were excellent again.

Cavan deserve their two and possibly unlucky not to have 1 more in the keeper."
Nonsense, cluxton is the best keeper ever but that doesn't mean he automatically gets an all star. Galligan has made 2-3 important top class saves in each games, kickout have been excellent and for that monster point alone against Monaghan he deserves it. Cluxton is like a spectator in a lot of Dublin's game because Dublin are that good.

Jim_Shorts (Cavan) - Posts: 92 - 25/11/2020 18:52:40    2315368

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Replying To Jim_Shorts:  "Nonsense, cluxton is the best keeper ever but that doesn't mean he automatically gets an all star. Galligan has made 2-3 important top class saves in each games, kickout have been excellent and for that monster point alone against Monaghan he deserves it. Cluxton is like a spectator in a lot of Dublin's game because Dublin are that good."
Nah I disagree. Cluxton makes them thick. He is one of the reasons they have 10 in a row and are going for 6 All Irelands in a row. If Galligan doesn't concede a heap of goals in the semi we will see then.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 25/11/2020 19:40:23    2315385

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "What does 10 in a row got to do with this year All Stars.? You're just picking Cluxton on his reputation, he's had little to do so far."
A tenth Leinster title in a row is relevant? No?

Its between himself , Galligan and Comerford and the recipient will be decided on the semi and the final.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 25/11/2020 19:42:28    2315386

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Replying To daytona11:  "A tenth Leinster title in a row is relevant? No?

Its between himself , Galligan and Comerford and the recipient will be decided on the semi and the final."
You have mentioned it like he should get an All Star because of 10 in a row. All Stars are based on this year. Galligan would be ahead of Cluxton at present

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 25/11/2020 20:27:09    2315411

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "You have mentioned it like he should get an All Star because of 10 in a row. All Stars are based on this year. Galligan would be ahead of Cluxton at present"
Galligan has conceeded 2 in 3 and kickouts werent as good as Cluxtons at the weekend.

Cluxton has conceeded 0 against division 2 amd division 1 oppostion.

Its neck and neck currently but after the semi i'd expect Cavan to concede a few amd dublin to dominate the kickouts. Cluxtons to lose then.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 25/11/2020 21:03:06    2315432

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Shane waslsh has been fantastic and a standout player. However imo he won't get an all star. Maybe not even a nomination. The all stars originally were set up to pick the best players over the year league and championship included. The all stars would nearly always have someone from the league winners and provincial winners but now its mainly based on all ireland finalists alas. I know the ladies gaa a few years ago picked the all stars before the all ireland final but not sure if they do that anymore."
I don't put much credence in the All Stars Mick, but I enjoy the debate on here afterwards.

Any system that never had Colm Cooper or Diarmuid Connolly as FOTY, is flawed in my opinion, it might be a simple opinion, but I've always felt that way.

The last few years, of trying to fit lads in, in random positions to the ones they played I think is really disrespectful, to lads who played in the supplanted position. I think Brian Howard has a couple for positions he didn't play in for the majority of the League/Championship.

I also agree it's a bit latter stages of the Championship centric, love the league and think this process doesn't respect it enough, but like you I don't think Walsh will get it or maybe even nominated, I think he's the best and most talented player in the country at the moment and I think deserves one for his displays in the Spring and performance Vs Mayo. But that's just me.
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TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 25/11/2020 21:22:04    2315440

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Cavan have played 4 games not 3. Galligan has pulled off top saves in all 4 games. His kickouts have been very good, id wonder have you actually watched Cavan.

The game against Down was on as he same time Dunlin were playing Laois

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 25/11/2020 21:25:20    2315441

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Cavan have played 4 games not 3. Galligan has pulled off top saves in all 4 games. His kickouts have been very good, id wonder have you actually watched Cavan.

The game against Down was on as he same time Dunlin were playing Laois"
Apologies foolsgold. Typo on my part.

While id love to see him win it i just think it'll be based on the semi final and final. Usually the way it goes.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 25/11/2020 21:39:50    2315445

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I don't put much credence in the All Stars Mick, but I enjoy the debate on here afterwards.

Any system that never had Colm Cooper or Diarmuid Connolly as FOTY, is flawed in my opinion, it might be a simple opinion, but I've always felt that way.

The last few years, of trying to fit lads in, in random positions to the ones they played I think is really disrespectful, to lads who played in the supplanted position. I think Brian Howard has a couple for positions he didn't play in for the majority of the League/Championship.

I also agree it's a bit latter stages of the Championship centric, love the league and think this process doesn't respect it enough, but like you I don't think Walsh will get it or maybe even nominated, I think he's the best and most talented player in the country at the moment and I think deserves one for his displays in the Spring and performance Vs Mayo. But that's just me.
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Oh look I think Walsh is magic too User but I just can't see him getting one the way the system works now. Also you are so right about all stars. I lost faith in the all stars in 1998 when Offaly s Brian Whelehan got one full forward. I ll explain. Brian was one of the greatest hurlers I ever saw and a gentleman also. He played most of his hurling in the half back line and was picked there on the millennium team. In 1998 he played half back all year but in the all ireland final he had a cold and was nt going too well so halfway through game Offaly put him in full forward and he had aa blinder scoring 1-5from play. A truly brilliant display But he only played 30 mins there the whole year and got an all star there. Now this is nothing against Brian as I was a massive fan of his but I don't agree with the system of selection but I know you ré on the same page as me here anyway.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 25/11/2020 21:56:31    2315450

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All starts our a joke and always have been, they're not and never have been the best 15 players in Ireland on any given year.

The Gaa our missing a massive trick, there should be all stars based on league with each div 1 to 4 having a there team of the year, give the smaller counties the same glory as the big boys in a dinner gala.

I don't think the powers that be really understand what's going on in the game.

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 525 - 25/11/2020 22:19:15    2315462

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Replying To Yourjoking:  "All starts our a joke and always have been, they're not and never have been the best 15 players in Ireland on any given year.

The Gaa our missing a massive trick, there should be all stars based on league with each div 1 to 4 having a there team of the year, give the smaller counties the same glory as the big boys in a dinner gala.

I don't think the powers that be really understand what's going on in the game."
Never said a truer word.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 25/11/2020 22:32:39    2315466

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I don't put much credence in the All Stars Mick, but I enjoy the debate on here afterwards.

Any system that never had Colm Cooper or Diarmuid Connolly as FOTY, is flawed in my opinion, it might be a simple opinion, but I've always felt that way.

The last few years, of trying to fit lads in, in random positions to the ones they played I think is really disrespectful, to lads who played in the supplanted position. I think Brian Howard has a couple for positions he didn't play in for the majority of the League/Championship.

I also agree it's a bit latter stages of the Championship centric, love the league and think this process doesn't respect it enough, but like you I don't think Walsh will get it or maybe even nominated, I think he's the best and most talented player in the country at the moment and I think deserves one for his displays in the Spring and performance Vs Mayo. But that's just me.
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Ah sure even the footballer of the year is all about who plays in the semi and then the final. It's a joke, players who have grafted and played outstanding stuff all year long maybe have one bad game, or get knocked out before an All-Ireland semi-final, and get no recognition for it. Sure look at Stephen O'Brien last year, was touted as potential footballer of the year and then doesn't even get an All Star! Obviously last year is Dublin heavy and why not, 5-in-a-row etc., but I thought that was madness myself.

Last year was an anomaly in some ways though because Murphy got an All Star, and I know that went down badly in some quarters but from a Donegal POV, to be honest I think 2019 was possibly his best year from an individual performance perspective he was out of this world, so I was happy for him. But his selection is, in my opinion, what the All Stars should be about. Who played brilliant in league and championship but maybe the county fell short in the quarter final stage? A lot more boys should be getting nominations at the least.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1125 - 25/11/2020 22:46:00    2315472

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Replying To daytona11:  "Apologies foolsgold. Typo on my part.

While id love to see him win it i just think it'll be based on the semi final and final. Usually the way it goes."
You should clarify then that you are predicting what the all stars will be after the championship, because if it's based on games to date, Galligan is way out in front, Comerford 2nd, and Cluxton 3rd.

And the only reason Cluxton is ahead of Clarke is because Clarke's kickout errors have been punished whereas Cluxton's (took 1 too quick v Westmeath - throw up on the 21, put one into touch when trying to find an unmarked James Mccarthy v Laois, Put another one into touch when looking for Fenton v Meath) haven't due to the dominance Dublin enjoyed out the field.

Had any of those errors led to a score, as they tend to when a keeper makes them while playing for a weaker team, he wouldn't be in the conversation for an all star at the minute.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4135 - 26/11/2020 08:17:36    2315508

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Replying To cavanman47:  "You should clarify then that you are predicting what the all stars will be after the championship, because if it's based on games to date, Galligan is way out in front, Comerford 2nd, and Cluxton 3rd.

And the only reason Cluxton is ahead of Clarke is because Clarke's kickout errors have been punished whereas Cluxton's (took 1 too quick v Westmeath - throw up on the 21, put one into touch when trying to find an unmarked James Mccarthy v Laois, Put another one into touch when looking for Fenton v Meath) haven't due to the dominance Dublin enjoyed out the field.

Had any of those errors led to a score, as they tend to when a keeper makes them while playing for a weaker team, he wouldn't be in the conversation for an all star at the minute."
Your pick of Galligan might be biased though?

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 26/11/2020 09:45:54    2315522

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Replying To daytona11:  "Your pick of Galligan might be biased though?"
Or it might be based on what I've seen so far which includes all of Cavan's and Dublin's games.

I don't think the Mayo or Dublin posters above who agree with me are being biased.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4135 - 26/11/2020 10:00:06    2315527

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Or it might be based on what I've seen so far which includes all of Cavan's and Dublin's games.

I don't think the Mayo or Dublin posters above who agree with me are being biased."
Yeh fair enough.

Galligan has been good but so have Comerford and Cluxton. Neck and neck at the moment.

I'd imagine if it's a Dublin - Mayo final that Cluxton will get it, especially if they win the AI. But All-Stars based on the Championship to date, it's close.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 26/11/2020 10:50:25    2315543

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Replying To daytona11:  "Yeh fair enough.

Galligan has been good but so have Comerford and Cluxton. Neck and neck at the moment.

I'd imagine if it's a Dublin - Mayo final that Cluxton will get it, especially if they win the AI. But All-Stars based on the Championship to date, it's close."
No harm, but what's your deal with Cluxton? He is unreal, but he is nowhere close this year. It is clearly not neck and neck. Galligan has has 4 game, 2 against Div 1 teams, multiple match winning saves, match winning extra time free, kick out strategy. By multiple measures, Galligan is far and away the best keeper so far. It's not even close to any observer

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 986 - 26/11/2020 11:53:43    2315572

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "No harm, but what's your deal with Cluxton? He is unreal, but he is nowhere close this year. It is clearly not neck and neck. Galligan has has 4 game, 2 against Div 1 teams, multiple match winning saves, match winning extra time free, kick out strategy. By multiple measures, Galligan is far and away the best keeper so far. It's not even close to any observer"
So far so good for Galligan but when facing the dubs high press in Croke Park that's when the big test starts. If he does OK then he has a good chance but that won't be easy and if he does make a few errors can he dust himself down and get stronger. We know Cluxton can. In the 2016 semi v Kerry just before halt time Cluxton got really rattled as Kerry had a full press on and Kerry scored 2 gls and 2 points directly as a result. However in the 2nd half Cluxton came back out and played a blinder. Time will tell with Galligan but yes he in the driving seat at mó.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 26/11/2020 17:10:28    2315686

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "So far so good for Galligan but when facing the dubs high press in Croke Park that's when the big test starts. If he does OK then he has a good chance but that won't be easy and if he does make a few errors can he dust himself down and get stronger. We know Cluxton can. In the 2016 semi v Kerry just before halt time Cluxton got really rattled as Kerry had a full press on and Kerry scored 2 gls and 2 points directly as a result. However in the 2nd half Cluxton came back out and played a blinder. Time will tell with Galligan but yes he in the driving seat at mó."
The semi is the key test and its usually where all stars are won.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 26/11/2020 18:13:03    2315700

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