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Maybe i am a bit naive and i hands down do not know the ins and outs of GAA funding but can someone explain why the GAA can not do the following:
Could their not be a rule to say that their should be X number of GDA's and coaches per Y number of children attending national schools in each county. And there should be X number of GDA's and coaching per Y number of clubs per county. The GDA's can travel to the schools and clubs and coach and develop the players. These figure are available from CSO figures and from county boards. Thus ensuring that each child attending school gets the same exposure to coaching and opportunities across the association? Can funding be allocated in an equal and fair manner?
I am not privy to these things as i said but I'd be interested in seeing other posters opinions in how can things be done fairer in the GAA?
leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 475 - 23/11/2020 11:36:30
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Replying To leitrim4sam: "Maybe i am a bit naive and i hands down do not know the ins and outs of GAA funding but can someone explain why the GAA can not do the following:
Could their not be a rule to say that their should be X number of GDA's and coaches per Y number of children attending national schools in each county. And there should be X number of GDA's and coaching per Y number of clubs per county. The GDA's can travel to the schools and clubs and coach and develop the players. These figure are available from CSO figures and from county boards. Thus ensuring that each child attending school gets the same exposure to coaching and opportunities across the association? Can funding be allocated in an equal and fair manner?
I am not privy to these things as i said but I'd be interested in seeing other posters opinions in how can things be done fairer in the GAA?" Yes that should be case but clubs/counties can and should be able to pay for their own on top and you cant exactly have it per number of clubs when there is in plenty of areas some clubs who are football or hurling only in same parish. cant be used as fair compariso
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 23/11/2020 15:24:13
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Replying To KillingFields: "Yes that should be case but clubs/counties can and should be able to pay for their own on top and you cant exactly have it per number of clubs when there is in plenty of areas some clubs who are football or hurling only in same parish. cant be used as fair compariso" Sorry. We can't be rich like the Dublin super clubs or your beloved sport.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 23/11/2020 16:28:09
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Replying To leitrim4sam: "Maybe i am a bit naive and i hands down do not know the ins and outs of GAA funding but can someone explain why the GAA can not do the following:
Could their not be a rule to say that their should be X number of GDA's and coaches per Y number of children attending national schools in each county. And there should be X number of GDA's and coaching per Y number of clubs per county. The GDA's can travel to the schools and clubs and coach and develop the players. These figure are available from CSO figures and from county boards. Thus ensuring that each child attending school gets the same exposure to coaching and opportunities across the association? Can funding be allocated in an equal and fair manner?
I am not privy to these things as i said but I'd be interested in seeing other posters opinions in how can things be done fairer in the GAA?" A reasonable idea, apart from per clubs as the likes of some clubs have 4000+ so that wouldnt work. Financing is usually broken down per players. The problem with that is in underpopulated areas, fewer players would mean lower funding. Might be easier to top up with grants to county boards, but you would have to be careful they dont spend it on some mad stuff. The Sports grants are also given to GAA county boards they are for disadvantaged areas. I think this all could be looked at. The big problem is fairness, and GAA rules, mean every player in country is entitled to be treated the same so same amount goes to each player. So do you "means test" counties? That might work but costly to administer. One thing is certain It is not a black and white issue as some would have you believe
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4434 - 23/11/2020 17:45:31
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Replying To Rolo2010: "Sorry. We can't be rich like the Dublin super clubs or your beloved sport." You are not well informed on rugby if you think a lot of it is rich or even near a majority of clubs etc playing the sport.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 23/11/2020 18:32:42
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Spreading the money, including sponsorship, based on population generally makes the most sense. Dublin has a bigger population and therefore needs more. Its slightly tricky in some of the counties in the North due to certain communities traditionally being anti GAA but probably not that hard to work out some sort of ratio. You would also need to take account of higher costs for facilities in places like Dublin in comparison to Leitrim. I think focusing money on clubs and not county teams is important. It's more about participation rather than creating elite county teams.
Spending on county teams should have some sort of cap, taking into account that certain counties have to spend more on travel etc and therefore should have a higher cap. But I think the spending on county teams is out of hand.
What the GAA could also do is employ the likes of Mickey Harte to head up a taskforce to assist struggling counties. To give them guidance on the structures and set ups needed at underage and senior county level. And give guidance on training regimes, strength and conditioning etc.
As most counties can't afford a salaried executive team, a
separate taskforce focused on professional administration could give counties guidance on financial and administrative affairs. This will ensure money is used wisely.
Just a few suggestions. Might be stupid
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Replying To KillingFields: "You are not well informed on rugby if you think a lot of it is rich or even near a majority of clubs etc playing the sport." Being informed on rugby is your job. You are the rugby head here.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 23/11/2020 21:03:50
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Replying To HighKings: "Spreading the money, including sponsorship, based on population generally makes the most sense. Dublin has a bigger population and therefore needs more. Its slightly tricky in some of the counties in the North due to certain communities traditionally being anti GAA but probably not that hard to work out some sort of ratio. You would also need to take account of higher costs for facilities in places like Dublin in comparison to Leitrim. I think focusing money on clubs and not county teams is important. It's more about participation rather than creating elite county teams.
Spending on county teams should have some sort of cap, taking into account that certain counties have to spend more on travel etc and therefore should have a higher cap. But I think the spending on county teams is out of hand.
What the GAA could also do is employ the likes of Mickey Harte to head up a taskforce to assist struggling counties. To give them guidance on the structures and set ups needed at underage and senior county level. And give guidance on training regimes, strength and conditioning etc.
As most counties can't afford a salaried executive team, a
separate taskforce focused on professional administration could give counties guidance on financial and administrative affairs. This will ensure money is used wisely.
Just a few suggestions. Might be stupid" Spending per head of population makes sense but should it be per playing population or GAA membership numbers/ number of clubs etc?
Dublin has a huge population with zero interest in GAA...should that be taken into account as regarding funding per head of population? Same would go for other cities.
While it's important to raise the GAA profile in urban areas, Smaller rural counties also need to be taken care of and I see it with clubs in my own country and the changing demographics...small rural clubs are struggling while the bigger "town" clubs are getting stronger.
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Funding ? Money ? Grants ?
Strong v Weak counties ?
Strong v Weak Managers ?
All the money being given to GAA and Counties is it being used wisely ?
Think if money pumped into Meath and they fave us that type of 'Championship Intensity' in a final ?
The payments to managers all over is the curse on our games.
IssacBall (Derry) - Posts: 42 - 24/11/2020 07:48:47
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Replying To yew_tree: "Spending per head of population makes sense but should it be per playing population or GAA membership numbers/ number of clubs etc?
Dublin has a huge population with zero interest in GAA...should that be taken into account as regarding funding per head of population? Same would go for other cities.
While it's important to raise the GAA profile in urban areas, Smaller rural counties also need to be taken care of and I see it with clubs in my own country and the changing demographics...small rural clubs are struggling while the bigger "town" clubs are getting stronger." I think it should be based around population figures not membership numbers. As the purpose is to help grow the game and increase participants. Also I don't think membership numbers are accurate so I don't think they can be used.
I do agree re the rural vs large town problem. I'm from a rural area amd left for work purposes so I haven't been involved with my home club in a long time. The club has lost a lot of players like me for the same reason, and it's gone down the grades. I just dunno how you solve this. Without work in the area people have to move. Now Meath County County has introduced new plannings rules that restrict once off builds in the countryside. You have to have 25 acres of land and been living on it for 25 years. Everybody is being pushed to live in towns like Navan, Trim, and Drogheda.
HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 228 - 24/11/2020 08:10:35
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I see the money issue keeps raising its head but I just want to comment on a different result of the money thing. Originally when the gaa under the leadership of my own county an Seán Kelly decided to pump money into Dublin gaa. It was done as their was a genuine fear that rugby and soccer were taking over from Gaa in the capital especially amongst younger people. Since then the increase in popularity of gaa has increased in Dublin no end. When I came to Dublin first many years ago I met and worked with alot of people (many who became close friends) but alot I knew were more interested in man u Liverpool an Chelsea than Dublin. Now I know that does nt apply to people on this forum but I'm sure you all know many too that would nt be able to name more than 2 Dublin footballers 20 years ago. I knew fellas that might go to the odd game with pals to the Hill but were there more for the craic. However since Dublin's success it's changed fíor the better. I actually met a guy I used to work with the other day and he was on about Kerry s defeat to Cork and Keane will have to go and Dessie is carrying on from where Jim left off. I smiled to myself cos 20 yrs this guy would ve probably only known Ciarán Whelan on the dub team. I like alot of sports but I'm a gaa man first and foremost and I'm delighted to see that happening. So it was nt all doom and gloom. This is the other side to the promotion of gaa in the capital. I remember being at a couple of Dublin hurling games also years back and you d get lonesome. Now the hurling has a nice following. Anyway that's my thoughts on all that and I just wanted to share.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 26/11/2020 09:32:31
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A relatively small rural club near me routinely pays €200 per session to an outside coach each season. This has happened for the past 10 years - and there is no senior championship victory to show for it. Would that money be better spent on paying for a coach to go into the local primary schools and to help develop the club underage coaching structure? Clubs (and counties) need to take on responsibility for their own decisions, rather than trying to drag Dublin down to their level. I remember similar begrudgery towards Kerry in the 70s and 80s - many of the same allegations about too much money from Adidas, Bendix washing machines etc.
football first (None) - Posts: 1181 - 26/11/2020 09:53:08
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Replying To football first: "A relatively small rural club near me routinely pays €200 per session to an outside coach each season. This has happened for the past 10 years - and there is no senior championship victory to show for it. Would that money be better spent on paying for a coach to go into the local primary schools and to help develop the club underage coaching structure? Clubs (and counties) need to take on responsibility for their own decisions, rather than trying to drag Dublin down to their level. I remember similar begrudgery towards Kerry in the 70s and 80s - many of the same allegations about too much money from Adidas, Bendix washing machines etc." It probably would be better spent elsewhere.An awful lots of clubs paying hard got cash to outside coaches and getting no gain while alot of genuine coaches in clubs putting in superb effort with underage kids especially all for love of the game.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 26/11/2020 10:38:18
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "I see the money issue keeps raising its head but I just want to comment on a different result of the money thing. Originally when the gaa under the leadership of my own county an Seán Kelly decided to pump money into Dublin gaa. It was done as their was a genuine fear that rugby and soccer were taking over from Gaa in the capital especially amongst younger people. Since then the increase in popularity of gaa has increased in Dublin no end. When I came to Dublin first many years ago I met and worked with alot of people (many who became close friends) but alot I knew were more interested in man u Liverpool an Chelsea than Dublin. Now I know that does nt apply to people on this forum but I'm sure you all know many too that would nt be able to name more than 2 Dublin footballers 20 years ago. I knew fellas that might go to the odd game with pals to the Hill but were there more for the craic. However since Dublin's success it's changed fíor the better. I actually met a guy I used to work with the other day and he was on about Kerry s defeat to Cork and Keane will have to go and Dessie is carrying on from where Jim left off. I smiled to myself cos 20 yrs this guy would ve probably only known Ciarán Whelan on the dub team. I like alot of sports but I'm a gaa man first and foremost and I'm delighted to see that happening. So it was nt all doom and gloom. This is the other side to the promotion of gaa in the capital. I remember being at a couple of Dublin hurling games also years back and you d get lonesome. Now the hurling has a nice following. Anyway that's my thoughts on all that and I just wanted to share." That's all well and good mick but the over funding of dublin is now killing the competition for the rest of the country, does the needs of the many not out weigh the needs of the few?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 26/11/2020 11:06:50
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "That's all well and good mick but the over funding of dublin is now killing the competition for the rest of the country, does the needs of the many not out weigh the needs of the few?" Look K Boy as I've said before the money thing is wrong end of but it does nt affect Kerry or Mayo or Cork etc.The gaa are wrong the way they distribute money. Most agree including Dublin and yes it affects the weaker counties but not us. We get plenty of sponsorship and fundraising etc..Kerry players are not out of pocket and have the best of facilities. It's counties like Leitrim that need money to compensate players travelling from Galway and Dublin etc for matches and training etc. And maybe pay for proper coaching for weaker counties. Alot if the money spent on Dublin gaa was on coaches for clubs and that should be done more in weaker counties also. Here are facts. Yes to be successful a county needs plenty of money. That is true as players need proper diets gyms and travel expenses. Hotel bills gave to be paid doctors fees etc. Now even if the gaa gave zero to Dublin they have aig and loads of other sponsors. We are the same in Kerry with Kerry group and no prob with Cork Mayo either. Now is the world fair? Hell no! But money is nt the difference between Dublin and Kerry or Mayo at mó. The difference at the mó is Dublin are a better team than the rest of us.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 26/11/2020 11:59:17
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Look K Boy as I've said before the money thing is wrong end of but it does nt affect Kerry or Mayo or Cork etc.The gaa are wrong the way they distribute money. Most agree including Dublin and yes it affects the weaker counties but not us. We get plenty of sponsorship and fundraising etc..Kerry players are not out of pocket and have the best of facilities. It's counties like Leitrim that need money to compensate players travelling from Galway and Dublin etc for matches and training etc. And maybe pay for proper coaching for weaker counties. Alot if the money spent on Dublin gaa was on coaches for clubs and that should be done more in weaker counties also. Here are facts. Yes to be successful a county needs plenty of money. That is true as players need proper diets gyms and travel expenses. Hotel bills gave to be paid doctors fees etc. Now even if the gaa gave zero to Dublin they have aig and loads of other sponsors. We are the same in Kerry with Kerry group and no prob with Cork Mayo either. Now is the world fair? Hell no! But money is nt the difference between Dublin and Kerry or Mayo at mó. The difference at the mó is Dublin are a better team than the rest of us." 100% Mick
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2113 - 26/11/2020 13:25:29
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Replying To CiarraiMick: "Look K Boy as I've said before the money thing is wrong end of but it does nt affect Kerry or Mayo or Cork etc.The gaa are wrong the way they distribute money. Most agree including Dublin and yes it affects the weaker counties but not us. We get plenty of sponsorship and fundraising etc..Kerry players are not out of pocket and have the best of facilities. It's counties like Leitrim that need money to compensate players travelling from Galway and Dublin etc for matches and training etc. And maybe pay for proper coaching for weaker counties. Alot if the money spent on Dublin gaa was on coaches for clubs and that should be done more in weaker counties also. Here are facts. Yes to be successful a county needs plenty of money. That is true as players need proper diets gyms and travel expenses. Hotel bills gave to be paid doctors fees etc. Now even if the gaa gave zero to Dublin they have aig and loads of other sponsors. We are the same in Kerry with Kerry group and no prob with Cork Mayo either. Now is the world fair? Hell no! But money is nt the difference between Dublin and Kerry or Mayo at mó. The difference at the mó is Dublin are a better team than the rest of us." Ya mick the likes of kerry Cork and Mayo and the other counties outside of dublin have to work hard and go cap in hand looking for money whereas dublin just have to sit back and wait for the gaa' 1.5 million every year, every county bursting themselves trying to catch up to dublin its a total joke.
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ya mick the likes of kerry Cork and Mayo and the other counties outside of dublin have to work hard and go cap in hand looking for money whereas dublin just have to sit back and wait for the gaa' 1.5 million every year, every county bursting themselves trying to catch up to dublin its a total joke." KIngdomboy would you not accept that IC players in Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and the top Ulster counties lack for NOTHING. Kerry players are well looked after. I've read complaints that Dublin have access to basketball coaches etc. But sure didn't Kerry get Seamus Weldon into their backroom team in order see what they could learn from him. Yes there are inequalities and that is wrong. But to attribute Dublin's current and temporary pre-eminence over Kerry exclusively to money is misleading. There is nothing a Dublin player can get that a Kerry IC player cannot get. You have a state of the art training facility in Farranfore that cost nearly 6 million eu. The Kerry squad have access to wonderful facilities in IT Tralee too.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1325 - 26/11/2020 14:44:18
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I can see this descending into the usual Dublin vs Kerry sh##show.
Let's try to be level headed here and try to stop the one upmanship
I wish Dublin supporters would come on here and admit the funding is unbalanced-because it is. You can argue about population, players per whatever etc. You Dubs support change to the current structure's?
I've said in a previous thread the govt funds/GAA funds far outweighed where Dublin were talent wise. They had the players, everyone could see that, all they needed was a good manager in Gilroy to realise their true potential. I mean they weren't Wicklow in Div 4. The tap should have been turned off years ago. Now it's to late and the Dubs are a behemoth that can't be stopped. They might get caught once. But they will go on a run of 4-5 all Ireland's in a row.
Kerry and other counties should stop playing the tiny violin, we have excellent facilities etc.
My main point is I wish someone from Dublin would keep a cool head from the taughts and say "you know what, the Dubs playing in Croke Park week in week out is an unfair advantage" or "the funding/sponsorship has got unbalanced."
We don't have to back our county teams every time, it doesn't make you a any less of a supporter to disagree every once and a while.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1790 - 26/11/2020 15:45:32
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