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Should Cavan V Dublin Be In Navan?

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Replying To Stmunnsriver: "so it would rob lads of their dream of playingan all ireland semi in croke park? thar cruel to be honest" Ya I'm sure they dream of playing in an empty Croke Park. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 24/11/2020 13:18:12 2314646 Link
No, it shouldn't be in Navan nor anywhere else in the country other than Croker. That's where AI semis have traditionally been played for decades, irrespective of the teams involved, aside from the odd replay. It's patronising to suggest a venue change simply because Dublin's opponents are Cavan and not Donegal as everyone apart from the blue-clad players on Sunday believed. I cannot envisage such a clamour had Donegal won. Like in '83, Dublin players and management would get on with the job in had should the GAA decide to change venue (they won't). But let's be honest, it wouldn't satisfy the whingers. Nothing ever does. Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 331 - 24/11/2020 13:19:12 2314649 Link
Replying To ConnollyDub: "Playing a stormer? Total opposite IMO It will have a negative effect on his players. Its almost like saying we haven't a hope in hell of beating the dubs in Croker." I don't think anyone is in a position to lecture Mickey Graham on psychological impact to players given how the players have performed so far. Seems like he knows them pretty well. I also don't understand why it would give a message that they don't have a chance otherwise. Does that mean nobody should ever fight against being held to a disadvantage because it shows weakness? Nobody is trying to be unfair to Dublin. They worst they will ever have to face is equality, unlike every other team playing them. benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1421 - 24/11/2020 13:21:01 2314653 Link
Replying To republicofcloone: "Croke Park has no advantages for Dublin playing in it?! Are you serious? Dublin free takers would know every inch of this ground to take frees from, how the wind moves in it etc. All very vital for free taking and gives Dublin a huge advantage in terms of scoring I think it is a very clever move, it dampens expectations in his own county that might be running a bit wild, making the pressure less on the players and also builds up a slight siege mentality too. Premiership soccer is wildly different than GAA, there is no tribal chanting going on in football grounds in England, and it is a less intimidating place now." Thomas Galligan while stating that he believes Cavan would have a better chance of causing an upset at a different venue, he also said the players want to play in Croke park and have no issue with the game being there. Probably cute from Mickey Graham once he doesn't overstate it and give the impression "we have no chance in Croker". As regards your point with free taking , bring Deano out of Croker and he'll miss the frees, right dream-on. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 205 - 24/11/2020 13:22:50 2314656 Link
lets have a compromise not navan play it in Bunnoe. There is a river running long side the pitch for the dubs to wash in while still self isolating after their beating and onward journey home on the motorway via cootehill. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 17 - 24/11/2020 13:36:20 2314668 Link
This game should be in Thurles, end of. burntjelly (Roscommon) - Posts: 3 - 24/11/2020 13:45:27 2314675 Link
Don't care where it's played to be honest. Croker likely is an advantage to Dublin, but in all fairness that'll be the least of our concerns. I'm just happy with the way things are going. Just continue to write us off, bookies offering mental odds against us, even in a 2 horse race. We just don't know what'll happen on the day, just throw the ball in anywhere and we'll bring our best to them, whatever that will end up meaning on the scoreboard... Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 986 - 24/11/2020 14:09:31 2314690 Link
Replying To benjyyy: "I don't think anyone is in a position to lecture Mickey Graham on psychological impact to players given how the players have performed so far. Seems like he knows them pretty well. I also don't understand why it would give a message that they don't have a chance otherwise. Does that mean nobody should ever fight against being held to a disadvantage because it shows weakness? Nobody is trying to be unfair to Dublin. They worst they will ever have to face is equality, unlike every other team playing them." That's it, the dubs think that playing all their games at home as being fair, they see nothing wrong with it because they've always had it that way. They really need to get their own stadium sorted and move out of Croke Park and stop being like the child that never left home. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 24/11/2020 14:11:54 2314693 Link
In 1920 it was played in Navan so I think it would be fitting. We might as well embrase the spookiness !! 97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 108 - 24/11/2020 14:33:40 2314711 Link
Replying To Gavvygavgav: "No, it shouldn't be in Navan nor anywhere else in the country other than Croker. That's where AI semis have traditionally been played for decades, irrespective of the teams involved, aside from the odd replay. It's patronising to suggest a venue change simply because Dublin's opponents are Cavan and not Donegal as everyone apart from the blue-clad players on Sunday believed. I cannot envisage such a clamour had Donegal won. Like in '83, Dublin players and management would get on with the job in had should the GAA decide to change venue (they won't). But let's be honest, it wouldn't satisfy the whingers. Nothing ever does." It should be in Breffni Park and why not. The pitch has recently been re-surfaced and is of a very high standard at a fraction of the CP cost and they can supply GAA GAA stewards at no cost. Croke Park is the home pitch for the Dubs and if it is not would you please tell me where the play most of their matches. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2189 - 24/11/2020 14:37:49 2314714 Link
What is the benefit to not playing this in Croke Park? daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 24/11/2020 14:47:39 2314718 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ya I'm sure they dream of playing in an empty Croke Park." "Ya im sure you know what they dream" :) superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2113 - 24/11/2020 14:48:30 2314720 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "That's it, the dubs think that playing all their games at home as being fair, they see nothing wrong with it because they've always had it that way. They really need to get their own stadium sorted and move out of Croke Park and stop being like the child that never left home." Ah stop your whinging superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2113 - 24/11/2020 14:53:04 2314721 Link
Replying To browncows: "It should be in Breffni Park and why not. The pitch has recently been re-surfaced and is of a very high standard at a fraction of the CP cost and they can supply GAA GAA stewards at no cost. Croke Park is the home pitch for the Dubs and if it is not would you please tell me where the play most of their matches." Ya should be in Breffni park , bring it on . superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2113 - 24/11/2020 14:59:36 2314726 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "Ah stop your whinging" There's a fair bit of whining coming from the Dublin fans also. Stand up and prove yourselves to be the greatest team ever by winning a few all irelands the proper way without the advantages. Truth hurts, End of story letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 24/11/2020 15:22:08 2314738 Link
Replying To letterkennyGuy: "There's a fair bit of whining coming from the Dublin fans also. Stand up and prove yourselves to be the greatest team ever by winning a few all irelands the proper way without the advantages. Truth hurts, End of story" Ok cheers superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2113 - 24/11/2020 15:35:23 2314750 Link
Replying To benjyyy: "I don't think anyone is in a position to lecture Mickey Graham on psychological impact to players given how the players have performed so far. Seems like he knows them pretty well. I also don't understand why it would give a message that they don't have a chance otherwise. Does that mean nobody should ever fight against being held to a disadvantage because it shows weakness? Nobody is trying to be unfair to Dublin. They worst they will ever have to face is equality, unlike every other team playing them." Sorry, didn't realize i was lecturing Mickey Graham by giving my OPINION on anonymous discussion forum. Wont happen again ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1922 - 24/11/2020 15:46:17 2314755 Link
Replying To Gavvygavgav: "No, it shouldn't be in Navan nor anywhere else in the country other than Croker. That's where AI semis have traditionally been played for decades, irrespective of the teams involved, aside from the odd replay. It's patronising to suggest a venue change simply because Dublin's opponents are Cavan and not Donegal as everyone apart from the blue-clad players on Sunday believed. I cannot envisage such a clamour had Donegal won. Like in '83, Dublin players and management would get on with the job in had should the GAA decide to change venue (they won't). But let's be honest, it wouldn't satisfy the whingers. Nothing ever does." I think the calls would have been stronger had it been Donegal to be honest. The reasoning before the match was that it would be wrong to deprive Cavan players of the rare opportunity to play in Croke Park, whereas Donegal have played Championship games in Croke Park every year this decade, except for 2017. Donegal led the calls for neutral games during the 2018 Super 8s. The main argument for hosting semi-finals in Croke Park is fan attendance - safety of the fans, and making sure too many people don't miss out if there is huge demand for tickets. That, obviously, isn't the case this year. There are a bunch of advantages that Dublin GAA has over the rest of the country, and this might be down the list, but travel time, and travel expenses are one. Expecting one team to go through that, but not the other is a disadvantage to the other team. It's over a 500km return journey to Croke Park for some Donegal players. Over 600 km for some Kerry players. I don't know who the furthest out Dublin players are, but it's a 33km return journey for the Cuala lads to Croke Park. Texas (Donegal) - Posts: 163 - 24/11/2020 17:34:25 2314819 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Think it's silly and unhelpful for his team for Mickey Graham to be asking for the semi final to be moved out of Croke Park. If he wanted to make representations for that he should have done it behind the scenes. Publicly speaking about it keeps a psychological barrier intact for his players, as if the task wasnt difficult enough. The fact is without crowds, a pitch is just a pitch and "home advantage" has little or no significance. This has been borne out week after week in the Premiership this year, where teams that were previously formidable at home are losing home matches now in the absence of crowds. By all means he should lobby to be allowed a couple of training sessions in CP so that his players who have no experience of playing there can get used to the surface, but otherwise he should have kept his mouth shut." I think it's smart what he said (tbh I haven't actually read what he has said, just going what has been written in this thread). He seems to have said it's an advantage to Dublin playing in Croker but his team will play there if it's fixed for there. Bit of siege mentality and if it gains a bit of traction in media it might it might bug the Dublin players. Cavan have little chance as things stand so stirring things up a bit can't do much harm. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 768 - 24/11/2020 18:59:07 2314885 Link
im actually sick listening to it all now. everyone should just shut up about it. Enjoy the hurling next weekend , keep the heads down and play the game wherever it is fixed. I'm sure none of this was started by Cavan people (apart from tomsmith here) s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 24/11/2020 19:26:11 2314898 Link