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Should Cavan V Dublin Be In Navan?

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When will the venue be confirmed does anyone know?

Jim_Shorts (Cavan) - Posts: 92 - 24/11/2020 07:39:53    2314440

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I think the game should be in Semple Stadium. Because the reason is Dublin are a totally different team once they're out of Croke Park. Normally people would say that they make a big amount of money for the GAA by playing their but this year they can't argue with that as it doesn't matter there's no fans allowed in.

Mayoforsam2020 (Mayo) - Posts: 3 - 24/11/2020 08:27:54    2314452

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Cavan boss wants his semi final played in a neutral ground, on this morning's indo. So there goes the narrative that would be peddled ah shur little Cavan would love a chance to visit Croke Park. The days of that codology are over now. And now its time for the GAA to do the decent thing and give an equal playing field for this semi final and move it elsewhere. The more I see of this Graham chap the more I like him, he's a sharp operator.
The GAA will probably pawn the excuse oh we need hawkeye for the all Ireland series. Fine, bring it to Thurles.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 120 - 24/11/2020 08:37:24    2314455

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "It's not hard to see Dublin enjoy playing in Croker Park more then elsewhere. It suits their style, wide space of Croke Park. Even compared to Parnell it suits them more.
The likes of Armagn is a tighter compact pitch.,

The league Match Meath played against Dublin was more competitive then what happened the other night"
Mickey Harte narrowed the pitch up in Omagh a couple of years ago. That didn't work out too well for him. Lock the Dubs in their dressing room is what I say.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4277 - 24/11/2020 09:19:28    2314468

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Cavan boss wants his semi final played in a neutral ground, on this morning's indo. So there goes the narrative that would be peddled ah shur little Cavan would love a chance to visit Croke Park. The days of that codology are over now. And now its time for the GAA to do the decent thing and give an equal playing field for this semi final and move it elsewhere. The more I see of this Graham chap the more I like him, he's a sharp operator.
The GAA will probably pawn the excuse oh we need hawkeye for the all Ireland series. Fine, bring it to Thurles."
Can't see Dublin having any objections to that whatsoever. Play it up in KIngspan Breffni if you think it will give "an equal playing field". I actually think it be good for football at this stage to take Dublin out of Croke Park and if it gave Cavan some sense of fairness to take the fixture elsewhere the GAA ought to accede.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1325 - 24/11/2020 10:11:33    2314496

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More to the point, if it is in Croker, will Cavan get the home dressing rooms? An Cabhán is before Ath Cliath after all... Which was the main reason given for this before

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 986 - 24/11/2020 10:27:21    2314511

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "More to the point, if it is in Croker, will Cavan get the home dressing rooms? An Cabhán is before Ath Cliath after all... Which was the main reason given for this before"
No problem. The red carpet will be rolled out for ye. Ye can even warm up in front of the Hill. Take a left as ye come out of the tunnel and head straight for 300 yards then fire away.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4277 - 24/11/2020 10:31:06    2314513

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It's been in Croke Park before a ball was kicked

If Cavan want to win titles in the future they won't be doing it in Navan..

If they want to be at the top table then they will need to be playing in Croke Park against the best teams

Listen would I be right about Navan not having flood lights..

Sort of important when playing an AI semifinal in December no?

Again though both semifinals were always going to be in Croke Park

But seriously. . Navan as a suggestion is beyond daft

At least pick somewhere appropriate for discussion

Dubs don't care where it is.. they are told where to play and will show up and pay Cavan the ultimate of respect in their application to winning the game.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 24/11/2020 10:41:12    2314516

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I'm actually all for moving this fixture 100%

I think though if Cavan want to dine at the top table then really it's important for them to be playing in Croke Park

But hey-ho

As long as it's a good surface and appropriate for such a lofty occasion, then great.

Flood lights would be nice..

Plenty of spots only a short drive for Cavan and Dublin

Come on let's make it happen GAA.. really not much of an issue at all to sort out.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 24/11/2020 10:54:18    2314522

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "More to the point, if it is in Croker, will Cavan get the home dressing rooms? An Cabhán is before Ath Cliath after all... Which was the main reason given for this before"
'An' is the definitive article. The definitive article isn't used in any language in terms of alphabetical order.

Ard Mhacha agus Aontroim are the only team that comes before Áth Cliath alphabetically as Gaeilge.

But sure whatever, let Dublin change in the carpark or whatever, play the game in Breffni Park while we're at it. Dubs will play, as always, where the rest of yous decide to play us.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13145 - 24/11/2020 11:00:44    2314528

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The cheek of Mickey Graham looking for a neutral venue lol. I think Armagh would be a good choice, pitch has been relaid and looks in good shape. There seems to be no logical reason why the game needs to be in Croke Park and Cavan need every small advantage.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1730 - 24/11/2020 11:08:32    2314535

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Why not play it in the ecclesiastical capital of Ireland, Armagh? There are flood lights there too. I'm sure the Dubs wouldn't mind an 1.40 mins trip up the road.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 843 - 24/11/2020 11:12:43    2314538

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The game should be in a neutral venue, therefore I would suggest playing it in Parnell Park.

iarmhi_an_mhaith (Westmeath) - Posts: 236 - 24/11/2020 11:12:49    2314539

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Think it's silly and unhelpful for his team for Mickey Graham to be asking for the semi final to be moved out of Croke Park. If he wanted to make representations for that he should have done it behind the scenes. Publicly speaking about it keeps a psychological barrier intact for his players, as if the task wasnt difficult enough. The fact is without crowds, a pitch is just a pitch and "home advantage" has little or no significance. This has been borne out week after week in the Premiership this year, where teams that were previously formidable at home are losing home matches now in the absence of crowds.
By all means he should lobby to be allowed a couple of training sessions in CP so that his players who have no experience of playing there can get used to the surface, but otherwise he should have kept his mouth shut.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1448 - 24/11/2020 11:15:06    2314542

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Cavan boss wants his semi final played in a neutral ground, on this morning's indo. So there goes the narrative that would be peddled ah shur little Cavan would love a chance to visit Croke Park. The days of that codology are over now. And now its time for the GAA to do the decent thing and give an equal playing field for this semi final and move it elsewhere. The more I see of this Graham chap the more I like him, he's a sharp operator.
The GAA will probably pawn the excuse oh we need hawkeye for the all Ireland series. Fine, bring it to Thurles."
There were rumours Donegal suggested they'd play the Ulster Final in Cavan and also reports they didn't want the semi final in Omagh or Enniskillen and again pushed for Breffni.

I'm not sure either is true but whilst the pitch didn't win the Ulster final for Cavan the smaller, tighter pitch didn't do any harm and certainly didn't suit Donegal's style of play. I'd say if the reports were true there was a reason they'd suggested giving home advantage to Cavan for the wider spaces of Breffni Park. Will it make the same or any sort of impact for Cavan taking the All Ireland semi final out of Croke Park - highly unlikely.

I understand reports to bring it away from Croke Park; the Leinster council and GAA have made their own problem by allowing Dublin to play so many league/championship games there; others now perceive Croke Park as being Dublin's home ground - it's now got so bad counties don't want to play an All Ireland semi final there, having a manager now publicy saying this will be uncomforbale for Croke Park.

Officals need to listen and come up with a plan going forward because protests will increase and the access Dublin get to Croke Park isn't sustainable. However if they listen to Cavan; what next the final should be somewhere else with a winter pitch. The All Ireland series from the semi finals on are played in Croke Park: changing that rule will set a precedent so teams
will want them moved next season again and so on.

Sky TV and probably RTE will also want Croke Park; even an empty Croke Park with it's highly technical built in media software/facilities allows a better product as a run down ground and winter pitch across the country. Media decide these things and even if there was a will in Croke Park to move this game there is other considerations from a sponsorship/media viewpoint.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 707 - 24/11/2020 11:15:37    2314543

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TBH i would like the GAA to take more of our matches outside of Croke Park. Honest to god its just given people yet another stick to beat the dubs with and people now use it as a way to try to ''diminish'' this great teams' achievements.

But lets be real here. Most people are in agreement that Leinster finals, All Ireland semi finals and finals should be played at Headquarters. And that has ALWAYS been the case. When your so successful your naturally going to be playing more games at Croke park. Look at KK during their dominance. Croke Park was like a home ground to them too.

So what does that leave us with as possible matches to play outside of croke park?
--Leinster QF, Leinster Semi Final and All Ireland QF.

Leinster QF - We play away from home.
Leinster SF - We play at headquarters, but please be real here, does anyone actually think it would make a blinds bit of difference where we played this match? Regardless, I'm all for moving us out of Croke Park, 100%!
All Ireland QF - Well there is none this year, but the last two last years we have won both our away games in the super eights. But by all accounts, going forward, play QF's outside of Croke Park! I'm all for that too!

My point being, this Dublin team will play anywhere and WIN anywhere. Lets not forget this great Dublin team broke an 84 year record by going 35 games unbeaten. This spanned over 2 and a half seasons, league and championship...home AND AWAY.

So move the game to Ballbofey for all I care.

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1922 - 24/11/2020 11:23:45    2314553

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Think it's silly and unhelpful for his team for Mickey Graham to be asking for the semi final to be moved out of Croke Park. If he wanted to make representations for that he should have done it behind the scenes. Publicly speaking about it keeps a psychological barrier intact for his players, as if the task wasnt difficult enough. The fact is without crowds, a pitch is just a pitch and "home advantage" has little or no significance. This has been borne out week after week in the Premiership this year, where teams that were previously formidable at home are losing home matches now in the absence of crowds.
By all means he should lobby to be allowed a couple of training sessions in CP so that his players who have no experience of playing there can get used to the surface, but otherwise he should have kept his mouth shut."
I absolutely agree

They are good enough to to win Ulster without a hint of fear

Bit don't want to play an AI semifinal in Croke Park?

Think it really puts out the wrong message. This is big boy territory now.. time to put on the big boy pants.

But hey.. whatever

Dublin will show up regardless of venue but it would be appreciated if it had suitable lighting needs

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 24/11/2020 11:24:08    2314554

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Think it's silly and unhelpful for his team for Mickey Graham to be asking for the semi final to be moved out of Croke Park. If he wanted to make representations for that he should have done it behind the scenes. Publicly speaking about it keeps a psychological barrier intact for his players, as if the task wasnt difficult enough. The fact is without crowds, a pitch is just a pitch and "home advantage" has little or no significance. This has been borne out week after week in the Premiership this year, where teams that were previously formidable at home are losing home matches now in the absence of crowds.
By all means he should lobby to be allowed a couple of training sessions in CP so that his players who have no experience of playing there can get used to the surface, but otherwise he should have kept his mouth shut."
all very well saying it makes not difference, Waterford played Kilkenny in a semifinal many years ago, it was a damp day, and they skidded all over Croke Park, the commentator on RTE raised the issue of them not being familiar with the surface...that particular squad hadnt played in Croke park until that day, Dublin and Kilkenny getting many games their a season of course in an advantage to them, crowd or no crowd....let them play that game in Navan when there is no crowd, or Clones or Athletic grounds, why should it be in Leinster at all, why not Ulster?? Dublin have it too good as far as I am concerned, very easy plan your match day when everything is all around you, no bus trip, no over night trip etc..

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 387 - 24/11/2020 11:25:47    2314555

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Think it's silly and unhelpful for his team for Mickey Graham to be asking for the semi final to be moved out of Croke Park. If he wanted to make representations for that he should have done it behind the scenes. Publicly speaking about it keeps a psychological barrier intact for his players, as if the task wasnt difficult enough. The fact is without crowds, a pitch is just a pitch and "home advantage" has little or no significance. This has been borne out week after week in the Premiership this year, where teams that were previously formidable at home are losing home matches now in the absence of crowds.
By all means he should lobby to be allowed a couple of training sessions in CP so that his players who have no experience of playing there can get used to the surface, but otherwise he should have kept his mouth shut."
The studies on this have shown that while crowds are a factor, they are not the only factor to home advantage. Have a look for the study which showed that teams who moved their home stadium didn't perform as well in the first year after moving (despite still having the advantage of the home crowd). There are a number of psychological factors to playing in a familiar location.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1421 - 24/11/2020 11:37:18    2314560

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Play it in Pairc esler under lights. A no brainer

HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 77 - 24/11/2020 11:37:23    2314561

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