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The Future Of The Provincial Football Championships

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Replying To TobinsBeard:  "Scrap the leagues, nobody cares about them. Play the provincials in their place. Then open draw all ireland. Youll get the sheer drama of days like today and the provincials will still have a place. No qualifiers or super 8s, they dilute what is best about championship football. Finally. Promote dublin to their own special one team division so Meath dont have to play them for 10 years.."
The majority of team's are not able to compete at Provincial, let alone All-Ireland level. I believe such proposals will only make the strong even more dominant as players from weaker counties are less like to prepare like elite athletes knowing they're probably going to play 2/3 during the season.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1073 - 22/11/2020 20:49:38    2313403

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Replying To daytona11:  "The standard in the rest of Leinster is on a par of a Ulster, Munster or Connaught. To say Kildare or Meath wouldnt be a match for Tipp or Cavan isnt true.

The issue in Leinster is for the most part one team has benefited in areas we havent and this is the result."
Finally we agree on something. Two division 3 teams won provincial titles today. Either Meath or Kildare would be equal or better than either.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 22/11/2020 20:53:20    2313408

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Like I said in another thread last week just put dublin in an eternal allireland final and let the rest of us play a championship to see who gets to play them, then have them tour 6 different counties every year like the barbarians do in Rugby."
Yeah that's a good idea KB, especially the one about Dublin having to do a tour of 6 other counties, id leave Leinster teams out of it and maybe have them tour the other provinces and play the 2 strongest teams from those provinces, in Ulster maybe it could be Donegal and Tyrone, in Connacht maybe Galway and Mayo and in Munster of course it would have to be Cork and Tipperary.

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 759 - 22/11/2020 20:54:23    2313410

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Replying To DL_Man:  "Could give Dublin a bye to a final or something along those lines, although I think the leinster teams themselves have to take responsibility. The standard of leinster counties, bar the Dubs, is attrocious. 10 or 15 years ago we had competitive teams from kildare, meath, louth, wexford etc. Now none of those counties are anywhere near the top table, bar Meath very maybe"
Kildare beat Cavan out the gate in Newbridge a month ago. I dont think there is much of a gap between Leinster and Ulster, we are both well stocked with mediocrity.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1126 - 22/11/2020 20:55:34    2313413

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Replying To arock:  "Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown has 2 clubs!!!"
There's at least 8:

Ballinteer St Johns
Naomh Olaf
Kilmacud Crokes
Stars of Erin
Cuala
St Francis Gaels
Geraldine P Morans
UCD

expe (UK) - Posts: 18 - 22/11/2020 21:05:54    2313426

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Finally we agree on something. Two division 3 teams won provincial titles today. Either Meath or Kildare would be equal or better than either."
I'll have to scresnshot this RD !!

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 22/11/2020 21:09:59    2313437

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Replying To daytona11:  "The standard in the rest of Leinster is on a par of a Ulster, Munster or Connaught. To say Kildare or Meath wouldnt be a match for Tipp or Cavan isnt true.

The issue in Leinster is for the most part one team has benefited in areas we havent and this is the result."
Even if they where benefitting in ways you are not. Lets be clear your county squandered millions on a "centre of excellence" which has not in the slightest advanced the standards of your county. If extra money was ever to be made available to Kikdare it would have to over seen because you have an a atrocious record with other peoples money.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4434 - 22/11/2020 21:12:38    2313440

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Replying To daytona11:  "Why dont we send Galway back to Connaught in the hurling and restart that championship. Sure its up to sligo and leitrim to get to that level.

Its exactly the same as whats happening in Leisnter now."
Totally agree, said in another post , send Dubs to Ulster and send Antrim and Fermanagh to Leinster.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 22/11/2020 21:14:13    2313445

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Replying To arock:  "Even if they where benefitting in ways you are not. Lets be clear your county squandered millions on a "centre of excellence" which has not in the slightest advanced the standards of your county. If extra money was ever to be made available to Kikdare it would have to over seen because you have an a atrocious record with other peoples money."
Yeh but we dont get to play every championship game there or most of them. The COE contributed to us winning the Christy Ring cup today no doubt. Its also contributed to achievements of teams in other age groups too.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 22/11/2020 21:20:28    2313459

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Replying To daytona11:  "I'll have to scresnshot this RD !!"
Ah lads, what's going on here, are yous agreeing??? This truly is a magic day! :-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 22/11/2020 21:27:48    2313477

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Totally agree, said in another post , send Dubs to Ulster and send Antrim and Fermanagh to Leinster."
Send dubs to Ulster, and Tyrone and Antrim to Leinster

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2113 - 22/11/2020 21:29:39    2313479

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I said it before: Keep the 4 provinces or you will destroy what is good about the GAA: The joy to win the province is beyond great.
Championship must be a knockout competition, this is the only way to stop the likes of Dublin from winning 20 in a row.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1042 - 22/11/2020 21:39:11    2313494

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "I said it before: Keep the 4 provinces or you will destroy what is good about the GAA: The joy to win the province is beyond great.
Championship must be a knockout competition, this is the only way to stop the likes of Dublin from winning 20 in a row."
Spot on - fully agree.

Shocks or surprises do happen and everyone loves the underdog winning.
Knockout competition is the way to go for sure.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 22/11/2020 21:42:57    2313497

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Replying To Htaem:  "Ah lads, what's going on here, are yous agreeing??? This truly is a magic day! :-)"
For the common good of Leinster Football Htaem.

We'll be at eachothers throats again soon.

Play the provinces instead of the league. Then the Leinster Championship can be consigned to the waste of time it is but will give Connaught, Ulster and Munster their day.

Then open, knockout draw for all ireland.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 22/11/2020 21:43:41    2313498

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After this year the Provincials have to stay, lot to be said for knockout football too, but that won't work either so we will have to figure something out,
the super 8's would have suited the likes of Kerry Tyrone and now ourselves in a normal year, hard one to figure out but I definitely think the Provincials have to stay, look what it means to Cavan and Tipp today, better than a 2 tier type All Ireland for sure.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 22/11/2020 21:45:29    2313502

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "I said it before: Keep the 4 provinces or you will destroy what is good about the GAA: The joy to win the province is beyond great.
Championship must be a knockout competition, this is the only way to stop the likes of Dublin from winning 20 in a row."
Play them instead of the league.

Then treat the All Ireland as a different competition and open the draw.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 3772 - 22/11/2020 21:46:56    2313505

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Send dubs to Ulster, and Tyrone and Antrim to Leinster"
Deal.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 22/11/2020 21:51:51    2313508

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Replying To daytona11:  "Play them instead of the league.

Then treat the All Ireland as a different competition and open the draw."
Definitely, keep provincial them open draw . Could be brilliant traveling all over the place..e.g. Dubs in Leitrim or Kerry in Casement.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 22/11/2020 22:03:36    2313521

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "Yeah that's a good idea KB, especially the one about Dublin having to do a tour of 6 other counties, id leave Leinster teams out of it and maybe have them tour the other provinces and play the 2 strongest teams from those provinces, in Ulster maybe it could be Donegal and Tyrone, in Connacht maybe Galway and Mayo and in Munster of course it would have to be Cork and Tipperary."
I'd be OK with that John.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 22/11/2020 22:11:33    2313528

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Replying To Updlocal:  "Then what's your solution? something has to be done. If you take a look at the premiership, big cities have 4 or 5 teams. London has spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham. What about all the good Dublin club players who would be on most county teams not getting within an asses roar of the current Dublin team."
You cant compare the premiership to the all ireland championship. Not near the same thing. How are they comparable?
The big thing thats needed is a change to the whole season structure. but you can still keep provincial competitions with that. Just have them as straight knockout but not directly as part of all ireland. have them stand alone.

a league based competition with playoffs at end should be a counties main competition of the year. what other sports have a straight knock out as their primary competition of the year?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 22/11/2020 22:14:31    2313530

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