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I wouldnt rule out Donegal beating Dublin. Itll not shock me if they do.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13574 - 22/11/2020 09:31:25
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The best I've seen the Dubs in a long time. Their intensity was unreal last night and they were clinical up front. It's testament to their work rate and dedication to the sport that senior players like Dean Rock are still improving. He's as much the complete footballer now as anyone in the country. Cluxton's kick-outs were arrow like and that left handed stop was top drawer. Senior lads still doing it. Donegal and/or Mayo will put it up to then though, no question.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4277 - 22/11/2020 09:31:37
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Replying To Joxer: "The best I've seen the Dubs in a long time. Their intensity was unreal last night and they were clinical up front. It's testament to their work rate and dedication to the sport that senior players like Dean Rock are still improving. He's as much the complete footballer now as anyone in the country. Cluxton's kick-outs were arrow like and that left handed stop was top drawer. Senior lads still doing it. Donegal and/or Mayo will put it up to then though, no question." Agree with all this. Con though... outrageous in the opening quarter.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13574 - 22/11/2020 09:36:49
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Replying To waynoI: "I wouldnt rule out Donegal beating Dublin. Itll not shock me if they do." I agree, I think they are prob the only team that could do it. They look very good this year. As for Mayo, good form but would Dublin really beat Galway by just point?not a chance. 6 plus and we know it.
GameofTyronesIsBackhere (Tyrone) - Posts: 12 - 22/11/2020 09:37:32
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Jim
You have said Meath were embarrassing etc a few times. We get it.
What is the solution??
Take Dublin's massive sponsorship/finances and pool it centrally?
Split Dublin?
8 groups of 4?" Two take aways from last night,1. the Dubs played really well, probably as faultless a performance as they have given, but 2. This performance was aided and abetted by a Meath team that never came close to reaching even their own limited potential on the night. This notion that dismantaling the Dubs will solve the likes of Meath's problems is just that, a lazy notion. Meath would just get hammered by a Mayo Kerry or an Ulster team like Donegal. Kerry and Mayo have come as close as can be to stopping Dublin's All Ireland run, the way it should be stopped, on the field, let Meath get their act together and do the same.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 205 - 22/11/2020 09:46:52
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Replying To TobinsBeard: "Meath are far better than most div 2 sides. Tyrone arent that far ahead of them in standard. The fact is dublin are miles ahead of everybody. Im sure you realised this in 2018 when they won pulling up against a negative, impotent Tyrone outfit. Donegal or mayo dont have a prayer against dublin in full flight. The gap is as wide as ever" What are you on,Tyrone miles ahead of Meath, you mightn't like it. Your doing well when people are feeling sorry for Meath. Not counting the Final stole from Louth it's 20 now from a title.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 22/11/2020 10:00:59
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Dublin have been demolishing teams in & outside Leinster since 2014. I think it's a bit unfair some of the posts on here blaming the result on this amateur Meath team - this is an issue for Leinster GAA & the wider GAA community. What would the margin have been for kildare, Westmeath?
Also goes to show that when you have all the resources that Dublin have, it really doesn't matter who the Dublin CEO/manager is.
greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 830 - 22/11/2020 10:03:55
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Replying To TobinsBeard: "Donegal wont beat that dublin team.. Never in a month of sundays. 7-10 points between the teams easily." All week Meath posters were saying Meath would beat Dublin, now nobody would beat them. That seems to imply Meath are 2nd best team in county. Silly stuff. Donegal will make a match of it, they won't need their own ball on pitch so they can play too.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 22/11/2020 10:12:00
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Replying To greysoil: "Dublin have been demolishing teams in & outside Leinster since 2014. I think it's a bit unfair some of the posts on here blaming the result on this amateur Meath team - this is an issue for Leinster GAA & the wider GAA community. What would the margin have been for kildare, Westmeath?
Also goes to show that when you have all the resources that Dublin have, it really doesn't matter who the Dublin CEO/manager is." If you've some kind of proof that Dublin are not amateur then you should spit it out. All Dublin players are juggling careers as well as training like dogs. For some like Jack Mc, Pat Gilroy himself, the commitment was too much. They train like dogs and are wholly committed to the sport and panel. Most counties, Meath included, have too class facilities, centres of excellence, so I don't get the poor Meath amateurs angle.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4277 - 22/11/2020 10:41:38
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Replying To GameofTyronesIsBackhere: "As good as Dublin are I think Donegal are capable of slaying the dragon(maybe just maybe). Make no mistake about it, Dublin at this stage are a dragon to themselves, do the dub fans really want to win the next 8 all irelands and continue to actually have any interest? every fan will lose interest at some point.
After Donegal can Mayo do it? no idea, weird team, they might come close but for the sake of the GAA I really hope one of them does, jesus it would be a great year if cork actually did it, anyway i am in dream land.
I would compare this current crop of dubs to Rome under Augustus in 117AD, they were as big and as dominant as they could be. Their frontiers went into Africa,asia and north into Germany. They destroyed every little tribe they came across no one could defeat them...but Rome fell. Everything has to end some day and the one defeat augustus had came from the mad will west Germanic tribes who said enough is enough and they were stopped in Germania....Are Donegal/Mayo Germanics? Let's see.
I raise a glass of my coffee at 8 am to Dublin. Great team but Donegal/Mayo?Cork ( hopefully cork) can step up to the plate and slay the dragon for all of us on here.
Regards,
GameofTyrones" The Roman empire lasted 1000 years.....
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 768 - 22/11/2020 10:47:14
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Bring back boylan. Maybe Darren fay and Trevor Giles might make themselves available.
ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 191 - 22/11/2020 11:05:48
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Replying To Saynothing: "All week Meath posters were saying Meath would beat Dublin, now nobody would beat them. That seems to imply Meath are 2nd best team in county. Silly stuff. Donegal will make a match of it, they won't need their own ball on pitch so they can play too." We get it saynothing, you hate Meath, you're devasted Dublin didn't beat us by the record score yesterday and you're enjoying having a go because you have little else to do since Tyrone went packing.
I thought it was the other crowd up north who make all the noise beating their drums and such, apparently it's not just them!
But look after your own county first, Tyrone haven't handed Dublin a championship defeat since 2008, Meath since 2010 and anybody since 2014.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 22/11/2020 11:06:11
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Replying To Saynothing: "All week Meath posters were saying Meath would beat Dublin, now nobody would beat them. That seems to imply Meath are 2nd best team in county. Silly stuff. Donegal will make a match of it, they won't need their own ball on pitch so they can play too." Kinda annoying when they bring the rest of Ireland's remaining teams into the equation alright.
It's disrespectful to them but nobody being fooled here.
Strength and conditioning and aggression that likes Donegal/ Mayo will bring will be on a total different stratosphere to what leinster teams provide.
They will bring the dog to the fight, and wont fear or freeze against dublin. .
BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 255 - 22/11/2020 11:11:58
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Replying To Saynothing: "What are you on,Tyrone miles ahead of Meath, you mightn't like it. Your doing well when people are feeling sorry for Meath. Not counting the Final stole from Louth it's 20 now from a title." Tyrone aren't miles ahead of Meath at all. Generally only a kick of a ball between them. And Tyrone took their own meek hammering from Dublin not so long ago.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 22/11/2020 11:12:35
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Replying To waynoI: "Agree with all this. Con though... outrageous in the opening quarter." Con was stunning in that first half, unmarkable. That set piece to split the middle and have Con come through to field was superb. A great baller in great condition.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4277 - 22/11/2020 11:26:40
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Replying To kiloughter: "Proves Meath are not a Div 1 team. A county I always admired but no Div 1 team as far as I can see would capitulate to Dublin so meekly two years running. The population point by an earlier poster is off the mark. Meath are largely a one GAA code county with a decent population. Other one code counties (where football is king am thinking of Mayo, Donegal and Kerry) remain competitive and like Meath don't have administrative wrangling and historical preferences of two relatively strong GAA in their counties. However you would never see any of those counties massacred by the Dubs 2 yrs in a row. Leinster is a basket case. A few years ago Kildare seemed to be making progress but appears to have stalled. Meath though it appears learned nothing from 12 months despite from all the perceived advantages the Dubs have." Meath are not a division 1 team, what does that even mean?, in 2020 Meath are a division 1 team and in 2021 Meath will be a division 2 team.
Put Galway in Leinster football and they would do no better than us. Put us in Connaught and we would do similar to what Galway do. It's harder to keep a panel together when the chances of provincial success are unlikely.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 768 - 22/11/2020 11:28:30
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The disrespect being shown here to the Dublin players is really sad. Dismissing their achievements as them being somehow 'professionals' is a clear attempt to belittle their great dedication, hard work and skill. They have to balance work, family and everything else just like all other players. So called Gaels are happy to run down this fine Dublin team last night here even while they were laying a wreath to honour those murdered in Croke Park. This Dublin team are great lads and fine role models for young people in Dublin and around the country.
The provisional championships have been outed for at least 30 years. No doubt they should be scrapped. It is ONLY down to the provisional councils that they exist, who need them to still be relevant. The GAA do need to look at a new structure and also funding. But running down this Dublin team and the players is not the way to change things.
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Replying To GameofTyronesIsBackhere: "As good as Dublin are I think Donegal are capable of slaying the dragon(maybe just maybe). Make no mistake about it, Dublin at this stage are a dragon to themselves, do the dub fans really want to win the next 8 all irelands and continue to actually have any interest? every fan will lose interest at some point.
After Donegal can Mayo do it? no idea, weird team, they might come close but for the sake of the GAA I really hope one of them does, jesus it would be a great year if cork actually did it, anyway i am in dream land.
I would compare this current crop of dubs to Rome under Augustus in 117AD, they were as big and as dominant as they could be. Their frontiers went into Africa,asia and north into Germany. They destroyed every little tribe they came across no one could defeat them...but Rome fell. Everything has to end some day and the one defeat augustus had came from the mad will west Germanic tribes who said enough is enough and they were stopped in Germania....Are Donegal/Mayo Germanics? Let's see.
I raise a glass of my coffee at 8 am to Dublin. Great team but Donegal/Mayo?Cork ( hopefully cork) can step up to the plate and slay the dragon for all of us on here.
Regards,
GameofTyrones" That history lesson is far better and more concise than any of furlongs borefests first and foremost so thanks gameoftyrones and good to see you back, secondly.... a glass of coffee ? Like... an actual glass ? This is aan astonishing phenomenon that I've never heard of. Amazing scenes
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13574 - 22/11/2020 12:04:48
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "The meath kickout was a bit of a nightmare for them though it was always going to be. The keeper can't physically kick it long so the dublin press has zero risk attached. Flood the area from the 65 up you win it clean and score, put the meath defence under fierce pressure when they do win it and try to turn them over, or finally just foul them to get reorganised. When dublin play against a beggan for example who can boom it 60 metres you can't do that and game is immediately more stretched. It's also very easy to prepare for as a keeper can't suddenly learn to kick it long. Meath also struggled last year with Colgan. It's the single most important area for them to address.
Dublin defence from the forwards back was excellent. When meath actually did play the ball in the dublin defenders were pretty much always out in front. I know in the overall scheme of things it wouldn't have made much of a difference but meath miss mickey Newman. He's a decent full forward who can win his ball and score. He'd also get the younger forwards into the game. Without him the full forward line was a little lost. The young meath players need time together in division 2 to learn how to play together. Like a lot of teams dublin systematically foul when they turn the ball over in the forwards. Its buys them that few secs to get their defence set up. It is quite noticeable and if I were a ref I'd be quick to dish out a few yellows to discourage that.
On the odd occasion in the first half when cluxton had a kick out meath did push up but because he can go much longer than brennan there was plenty risk for meath. The first goal was no doubt a set play. Not sure how meath allowed ocallaghan to have that much space but once they did it was nearly goal all the way. Also a call out to Fenton who is just so athletic, he covers the ground so well and created the extra man.
Meath defenders were overall much too loose in the first, they did improve in the second though it was too late. There's loads to ponder on the overall merits of dublin hockying everyone though that's a separate debate." Good post agree with it all. From a Meath point of view the root of why things got so bad to such an extent last night was the kickouts, it left us under constant pressure. It's something that can be rehearsed so no excuse why they were so bad and has not been sorted in recent years. It's a pity because in some aspects McEntee has improved Meath (despite last night's disaster). He is the first Meath manager to get us to division 1 for many years we also got to the super 8's last year.
It sounds a funny thing to say after last night's disaster but if Meath can get the kickouts sorted a bit we have a great chance of getting back to division 1 next year.
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People need to calm down. We put up massive scores in leinster games in the 00's when we were not even winning all irelands.
Dublin were magnificent today. A joy to watch. But Meath were equally abysmal. They never layed a glove on us. It was quite literally a stroll in the park. They rolled over and completely bottled it.
People saying the all Ireland series is the same as leinster. Give me a break. Of the seven all irelands we won in the last decade - four of those titles were 1 point wins. Two of those titles it took replays for us to get over the line. Our dominance is not even close to the dominance that kilkenny hurlers had for 15 years. In one of their all Ireland finals they beat Waterford by a record 23 points. They were literally massacring everyone, and not just leinster teams. I Remember thinking these lads will never be beat, Cody seemed to be able to add a couple of players evey year that just added to their already all conquering squad. But... Look what happened? That great kk team eventually came to an end.
And that's what will happen to this Dublin team. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but trust me it will happen. And then all the doomsday merchants can shut up.
Until then, just enjoy watching this magnificent team. The Greatest of all time!! I know I will :)
Up the Dubs!
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