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Hi Loughduff. Hope you still celebrating. Interesting about rté. BBC are getting great praise and sky. I have to admit I nearly always watch rté but agree the pundits can be tiresome and very biased. Brolly was entertaining but same ole same ole and was always on the winners side. Spillane and Whelan and Cavanagh pure biased towards their own teams. Rté should not allow pundits on when their counties are playing so we can have an impartial view. I actually find Ó Rourke the fairest regardless of who is playing. McStay the most knowledgeable but a bit bias comes across on the TV.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 23/11/2020 10:20:46 2313699 Link 0 |
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Well done Cavan. Wouldn't worry about Sean Cavanagh it was just a jibe at Donegal in my eyes. Hopefully you will now get Dublin away from croker and give them a game. This will never happen BUT how's about giving Cavan home advantage for a change haha
letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 23/11/2020 10:21:48 2313701 Link 0 |
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I called this earlier in the week, and I was roundly put down. I could see the similarities with 2013, I always knew we had our chance yesterday. I really don't understand how our team were written off so badly, any slight analysis into Cavan and you'd know we'd be close based on our quality of players. Donegal were 1/14 in a 2 horse race!! Madness from all corners
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 986 - 23/11/2020 10:25:35 2313706 Link 0 |
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Congrats Breff. Well done - super performance, great hunger and determination shown by your lads. Fully deserved. Enjoy. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 23/11/2020 10:31:49 2313713 Link 0 |
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Somewhat missing the point there much like your county men yesterday :) I was referring to a team under estimating its opposition based on their respective perceived status. Donegal were going for 3 in a row and reigning all ireland champions....monaghan had just spent a season in division 3 and hadnt won an ulster final in 25 years. Also....12 meetings since 2013 to date. 6 wins for Monaghan, 2 draws and 4 wins for Donegal. 4 of those games were finals. Monaghan won three :) Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 189 - 23/11/2020 10:34:28 2313716 Link 0 |
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Joesoap: I partly get where you are coming from but as you say in your post about getting every other county up to speed with Dublin. That will never happen because all the gaa care about is Dublin its their cash cow. They get way more funding per head at grass routes , sponsorships, home (advantage) the list goes on and on and on. But you are correct in saying there's a few teams that can beat Dublin I still believe that but that will only happen when its a level playing field starting with taking away home advantage. Its a sad state for the championship when the league is now more exciting than the championship where you have home and away games. I for one think Dublin are a class team but there's too many astrixes beside their 5 in a row for me! Bring them to Ulster and the likes of ballybofey or omagh etc and see how all irelands in a row they would win. letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 23/11/2020 10:34:28 2313717 Link 0 |
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Hearty congrats to Cavan!! Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 189 - 23/11/2020 10:47:46 2313735 Link 1 |
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Still buzzing after that performance yesterday. Mickey and his management team got everything right yesterday and won the tactical battle hands down. All the players were in the correct frame of mind and even if god had of togged out with Donegal yesterday the mighty giants in blue would have beaten them. Despite this we should have lost the final yesterday because of the performance of the referee. We the people of cavan need to keep highlighting this or the same will happen against Dublin as it did in the under 21 final a few years ago when dillon got a black card for nothing and a dublin player then got a yellow card for a worse offence and the same player then got two handy frees to close out the game. There is no way cavan should have won the game yesterday after the second black card. The referee got 5 major decisions wrong yesterday which cost cavan 5 to 10 points and should have cost us the game. Again i salute every single man on the cavan panel and to our brilliant management team. I hope we get a neutral referee for our battle against the magnificent dubs who i feel saved the gaa from the black death as they always continued to play brilliant attacking football. breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 17 - 23/11/2020 11:28:58 2313806 Link 2 |
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Couldn't believe what he said, I would have had them between 3rd and 5th and a strong 4th. Couple of breaks in league and they would've went up or Div1 instead of down. Their NO1 now.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 23/11/2020 11:47:27 2313826 Link 0 |
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Listen, Cavan fully deserved the win and at least one of the black cards shouldn't have been given, probably both. Saying it cost you 5 to 10 points is a bit OTT. Yes, Donegal had their best spell during the period of the 1st black card but its ridiculous to suggest the black card was the only reason for it. We were bound to have a good spell at some stage in the game regardless. Otherwise you are suggesting you should have kept us to 3 points during the whole game. Cassidy also got a number of calls wrong which went against Donegal as well. Brennan was clearly fouled in the corner in the first half which was a scoreable free. High McFadden had his legs taken from underneath him after catching a clean ball in midfield in the 2nd half - no free and it resulted in a Cavan point. There were also 2 sideline balls given to Cavan that should have went the other way. The incident where Galligan got the knock which resulted in a point was a very picky decision based on a Donegal player in the arc even though he had his back to the keeper and was making his way out the pitch. In addition, there was also a Cavan player inside the arc which by the rulebook is a technical offence resulting in a free out. In other words, Cassidy wasn't great but I am always loathe to criticise referees because it is such an impossible task. The important thing is that the team who deserved to win did win.
benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1421 - 23/11/2020 11:52:20 2313832 Link 0 |
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Massive congratulations to Cavan, well deserved Ulster Championship, and they were the better team on the day. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 518 - 23/11/2020 11:56:36 2313836 Link 0 |
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Still celebrating here. Rewatching the match here and loving not being near a heart attack the whole way through it! RTE do need to mix it up, just really not a good insight into things. I'd honestly get rid of all of them, Whelan, O'Sé, O'Rourke, Spillane and so on and bring in some more recent retired lads. Constantly refresh it. They don't even analyse the main talking points, it's so frustrating from the national broadcaster
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 986 - 23/11/2020 12:18:09 2313855 Link 0 |
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Just thinking back to the game, when we had that little period of dominance after the first black card Eoghan Ban missed a great goal opportunity. I can't recall how much it might have put us ahead - possibly 5 points? I'm sure someone will be able to confirm. But a crucial juncture in the match. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7075 - 23/11/2020 12:42:33 2313881 Link 0 |
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- I think the ref performance needs to be talked about- at a minimum he was influenced by Donegal. Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 63 - 23/11/2020 12:50:20 2313890 Link 0 |
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I really don't get this idea that this was only possible because of knockout football. Do people think Cavan would care less but an Ulster title under the qualifier system? Or that the knockout format was the reason Donegal played badly and would have been more relaxed therefore better if there was a back door? Genuinely don't understand how yesterday makes the case for knockout.
benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1421 - 23/11/2020 12:55:28 2313897 Link 0 |
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I agree I find their analysis really really stale. O'Sé occasionally has very good insights but I feel he needs someone to bounce off. O'Rourke I think is fair but has a bit of a dated view of things really. BBC's coverage yesterday was a mile ahead, they were also saying that Donegal were hot favourites but talked about what Cavan needed to do to win and what was possible etc. Gives you a rounder view of things. I suppose it helps that they would know Ulster football inside out. I've mentioned before but I think Oisin McConville is very good. He has been trumpeting Donegal's abilities for a couple of years now, he is a big fan of us, but he spoke on a podcast I listen to about how Armagh didn't shake us up in the slightest and he felt that even though we beat Tyrone in Ballybofey, we still hadn't shown we could get punched in the face and come back. He said it again on the BBC prior to the game, Armagh didn't lay a hand on us and he said Cavan need to go out and show us we're in a game and see what happens. I also really enjoy listening to Andy Moran talk about the game, like you say a recently retired fella and he is very interesting especially when talking about movement of forwards. Marty Clarke on BBC co-commentary as well I think he has grown into that role really well on BBC. They always have interesting pieces pre match as well interviewing different figures from different counties etc. What I like is you get a bit of inside knowledge and perspective from the different counties which is always good. Sky are also very good if a wee bit more sanitised than BBC, but I like Donaghy and of course Jim. Canavan is very good on both Sky and BBC and Mickey Harte has been interesting on BBC the past couple of weeks also. Anyway, long winded way of saying yes I agree with you, RTE are lagging well behind in the analysis stakes! It feels very tired and same old views, they're usually a couple of years behind whatever is actually happening. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1125 - 23/11/2020 13:03:55 2313906 Link 0 |
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Yah the ref was poor. First black card was an ugly decision that could have cost Cavan the result. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3770 - 23/11/2020 13:05:10 2313908 Link 0 |
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Because it removes a huge amount of one sided fixtures that waste everyone's time, least of all the players.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3770 - 23/11/2020 13:10:25 2313914 Link 0 |
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Impossible to say how things would have played out benjyyy, would Cavan have come back against Monaghan and Down if they knew they had another day out in the qualifiers, who can say really. I think the do-or-die nature of knockout is what people are saying is fantastic more than what this means for Cavan or Tipp. The fact that the Division 1 counties haven't had a chance to regroup and get into the All-Ireland series anyway. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1125 - 23/11/2020 13:15:24 2313920 Link 0 |
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If the argument is that Cavan are in a semi now whereas would have to negotiate the Super 8s to get there and may struggle then fair enough (but if they are good enough would get there anyway). But to say that knockout football is a reason behind Cavan's win yesterday, in my opinion, does a complete disservice to Cavan. They wanted to win an Ulster title and the presence of the qualifiers would not have changed that.
benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1421 - 23/11/2020 13:26:21 2313932 Link 1 |