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Goals - All But Dried Up ?

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The 2020 Munster SHC QF between Limerick & Clare produced 59 pts, but only one goal.

The 2020 Leinster SFC QF between Dublin & Westmeath produced 33 pts and no goals.

Should goals be worth more to get a better mix of scores ? Hurling, in particular, could benefit from teams searching for goals rather than simply popping over points from all angles and distances.

Ideally, how points per goal scored is an ideal ratio in either code ? Is it six, with scores like 2-12 in football, or 3-18 in hurling desired ?

If so, how many pts should a goal be worth ?
If four, it may move the needle in football, but
hurling may need a doubling to six !

To avoid the risk of having a match lead more easily overcome by two late goals of increased value, perhaps teams would be encouraged to mix it up more over the 70 minutes.

Comments welcome.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 12/11/2020 03:44:37    2307846

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Replying To omahant:  "The 2020 Munster SHC QF between Limerick & Clare produced 59 pts, but only one goal.

The 2020 Leinster SFC QF between Dublin & Westmeath produced 33 pts and no goals.

Should goals be worth more to get a better mix of scores ? Hurling, in particular, could benefit from teams searching for goals rather than simply popping over points from all angles and distances.

Ideally, how points per goal scored is an ideal ratio in either code ? Is it six, with scores like 2-12 in football, or 3-18 in hurling desired ?

If so, how many pts should a goal be worth ?
If four, it may move the needle in football, but
hurling may need a doubling to six !

To avoid the risk of having a match lead more easily overcome by two late goals of increased value, perhaps teams would be encouraged to mix it up more over the 70 minutes.

Comments welcome."
3 points for a goal. It's winter.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5955 - 12/11/2020 13:50:40    2307974

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Replying To omahant:  "The 2020 Munster SHC QF between Limerick & Clare produced 59 pts, but only one goal.

The 2020 Leinster SFC QF between Dublin & Westmeath produced 33 pts and no goals.

Should goals be worth more to get a better mix of scores ? Hurling, in particular, could benefit from teams searching for goals rather than simply popping over points from all angles and distances.

Ideally, how points per goal scored is an ideal ratio in either code ? Is it six, with scores like 2-12 in football, or 3-18 in hurling desired ?

If so, how many pts should a goal be worth ?
If four, it may move the needle in football, but
hurling may need a doubling to six !

To avoid the risk of having a match lead more easily overcome by two late goals of increased value, perhaps teams would be encouraged to mix it up more over the 70 minutes.

Comments welcome."
I think its a great shout - goals are an essential part of the excitement of football and hurling and should be rewarded with 4 points to make teams go for goal more. Hurling in particular should be wary of the game being dominated by long range points - an extra incentive to go for goals would be an excellent addition. Will never happen though.

McFan88 (Limerick) - Posts: 421 - 12/11/2020 15:18:22    2308010

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Replying To omahant:  "The 2020 Munster SHC QF between Limerick & Clare produced 59 pts, but only one goal.

The 2020 Leinster SFC QF between Dublin & Westmeath produced 33 pts and no goals.

Should goals be worth more to get a better mix of scores ? Hurling, in particular, could benefit from teams searching for goals rather than simply popping over points from all angles and distances.

Ideally, how points per goal scored is an ideal ratio in either code ? Is it six, with scores like 2-12 in football, or 3-18 in hurling desired ?

If so, how many pts should a goal be worth ?
If four, it may move the needle in football, but
hurling may need a doubling to six !

To avoid the risk of having a match lead more easily overcome by two late goals of increased value, perhaps teams would be encouraged to mix it up more over the 70 minutes.

Comments welcome."
7 for Meath v Wicklow

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 12/11/2020 15:23:00    2308012

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Poor Wicklow

Can only imagine the bemoaning if Dublin scored a tally like that against Wicklow

Move Meath out of Leinster..

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 12/11/2020 15:28:18    2308018

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Poor Wicklow

Can only imagine the bemoaning if Dublin scored a tally like that against Wicklow

Move Meath out of Leinster.."
No way we're leaving Leinster jimbo, we're taking the Trump stance!!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 12/11/2020 15:36:28    2308022

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Replying To Htaem:  "No way we're leaving Leinster jimbo, we're taking the Trump stance!!"
That fella has got crocodile blood

If ye boys were half as resilient you might have scored a 5th pt against us

Beelzedub (Dublin) - Posts: 475 - 12/11/2020 15:40:10    2308023

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Replying To royaldunne:  "7 for Meath v Wicklow"
Incredible scoring
Shooting boots were on

Hopefully that's your lot for the year

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 12/11/2020 15:46:36    2308027

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Replying To omahant:  "The 2020 Munster SHC QF between Limerick & Clare produced 59 pts, but only one goal.

The 2020 Leinster SFC QF between Dublin & Westmeath produced 33 pts and no goals.

Should goals be worth more to get a better mix of scores ? Hurling, in particular, could benefit from teams searching for goals rather than simply popping over points from all angles and distances.

Ideally, how points per goal scored is an ideal ratio in either code ? Is it six, with scores like 2-12 in football, or 3-18 in hurling desired ?

If so, how many pts should a goal be worth ?
If four, it may move the needle in football, but
hurling may need a doubling to six !

To avoid the risk of having a match lead more easily overcome by two late goals of increased value, perhaps teams would be encouraged to mix it up more over the 70 minutes.

Comments welcome."
Kieran Donaghy pointed out that stat in the Dublin game

Think a lot of credit has to go WM in how they defended

But a Dublin side without Jack McCaffrey usually suffers on the goal threat side of things
His absence this year shouldn't be underestimated and he's a massive loss propelling the Dublin attacks

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 12/11/2020 15:52:07    2308028

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Replying To Beelzedub:  "That fella has got crocodile blood

If ye boys were half as resilient you might have scored a 5th pt against us"
Nah we prefer putting 5 past Cluxton rather than over him, much more fun ;-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 12/11/2020 15:52:07    2308029

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Replying To Htaem:  "No way we're leaving Leinster jimbo, we're taking the Trump stance!!"
:)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 12/11/2020 16:03:23    2308034

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Replying To Htaem:  "Nah we prefer putting 5 past Cluxton rather than over him, much more fun ;-)"
Got there before me lol

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 12/11/2020 16:06:09    2308036

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Replying To Htaem:  "No way we're leaving Leinster jimbo, we're taking the Trump stance!!"
You've always been "Proud Boys" ;)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 12/11/2020 16:10:55    2308038

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Replying To jimbodub:  "You've always been "Proud Boys" ;)"
We're the cheeky boys jimbo, member this classic:

https://youtu.be/35UUsMnwquo

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 12/11/2020 16:40:10    2308052

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Replying To omahant:  "The 2020 Munster SHC QF between Limerick & Clare produced 59 pts, but only one goal.

The 2020 Leinster SFC QF between Dublin & Westmeath produced 33 pts and no goals.

Should goals be worth more to get a better mix of scores ? Hurling, in particular, could benefit from teams searching for goals rather than simply popping over points from all angles and distances.

Ideally, how points per goal scored is an ideal ratio in either code ? Is it six, with scores like 2-12 in football, or 3-18 in hurling desired ?

If so, how many pts should a goal be worth ?
If four, it may move the needle in football, but
hurling may need a doubling to six !

To avoid the risk of having a match lead more easily overcome by two late goals of increased value, perhaps teams would be encouraged to mix it up more over the 70 minutes.

Comments welcome."
A classic case of cherry picking stats to back a dubious theory.

"The 2020 Munster SHC QF between Limerick & Clare produced 59 pts, but only one goal...Should goals be worth more to get a better mix of scores ? Hurling, in particular, could benefit from teams searching for goals rather than simply popping over points from all angles and distances."

The Munster SHC semi-final between Limerick & Tipperary produced 55 pts including 5 goals.
The Leinster SHC semi-final between Kilkenny & Dublin produced 57 pts including 5 goals.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1115 - 12/11/2020 16:42:41    2308053

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Replying To Htaem:  "We're the cheeky boys jimbo, member this classic:

https://youtu.be/35UUsMnwquo"
Feck sake haha

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 12/11/2020 17:47:09    2308071

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Replying To Htaem:  "We're the cheeky boys jimbo, member this classic:

https://youtu.be/35UUsMnwquo"
Haha.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 12/11/2020 18:09:41    2308080

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I think it would just lead to more fouling.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7772 - 12/11/2020 18:12:07    2308082

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Replying To Htaem:  "We're the cheeky boys jimbo, member this classic:

https://youtu.be/35UUsMnwquo"
Member is right :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7772 - 12/11/2020 18:16:03    2308085

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Feck sake haha"
I don't know if I could pull off the shorts these days. Actually I'd be more concerned about getting them on :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 12/11/2020 18:21:37    2308090

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