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Replying To hashtag2017:  "Well with all due respect Joyce has done nothing to warrant being called a coach, he is the manager. Donie Buckley springs to mind. Again the Corofin contingent, Morris/Comer or both."
Has Morris ever been involved with Galway? Have heard nothing but good things about him in Corofin. I think he is credited as being the driving force behind their domination.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10339 - 17/11/2020 17:46:19    2310749

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Replying To hashtag2017:  "Well with all due respect Joyce has done nothing to warrant being called a coach, he is the manager. Donie Buckley springs to mind. Again the Corofin contingent, Morris/Comer or both."
Stephen Rochford?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5955 - 17/11/2020 17:46:31    2310750

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "
Replying To Soma:  "[quote=Offside_Rule:  "Breakdown of the Provincial Wins/Losses/Appearances by Province. Why? Just because I was bored.

Ulster - 124 titles
Cavan: 39 titles (31.45%), beaten finalists 23 times. Total Final appearances 62
Tyrone: 17 titles (13.71%), beaten finalists 8 times. Total Final appearances 25
Monaghan: 16 titles (12.90%), beaten finalists 12 times. Total Final appearances 28
Armagh: 14 titles (11.29%), beaten finalists 21 times. Total Final appearances 35
Down: 12 titles (9.68%), beaten finalists 16 times. Total Final appearances 28
Donegal: 10 titles (8.06%), beaten finalists 13 times. Total Final appearances 23
Antrim: 9 titles (7.26%), beaten finalists 10 times. Total Final appearances 19
Derry: 7 titles (5.65%), beaten finalists 10 times. Total Final appearances 17
Fermanagh: 0 titles (0%), beaten finalists 6 times. Total Final appearances 6

So if all things were equal in the world you'd be looking at an average of 13.8 (14) titles per County and approx 27 final appearances.

Leinster - 132 titles
Dublin: 39 titles (43.94%), beaten finalists 25 times. Total Final appearances 62
Meath: 21 titles (15.91%), beaten finalists 21 times. Total Final appearances 25
Kildare: 13 titles (9.85%), beaten finalists 22 times. Total Final appearances 28
Offaly: 10 titles (7.58%), beaten finalists 9 times. Total Final appearances 35
Wexford: 10 titles (7.58%), beaten finalists 14 times. Total Final appearances 28
Louth: 8 titles (6.06%), beaten finalists 14 times. Total Final appearances 23
Laois: 6 titles (4.55%), beaten finalists 15 times. Total Final appearances 19
Kilkenny: 3 titles (2.27%), beaten finalists 5 times. Total Final appearances 17
Carlow: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 2 times. Total Final appearances 6
Longford: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 1 time. Total Final appearances 6
Westmeath: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 4 times. Total Final appearances 6
Wicklow: 0 titles (0%), beaten finalists 1 time. Total Final appearances 6

Average would be 11 titles per County and 22 final appearances.

Munster - 131 titles
Kerry: 81 titles (61.83%), beaten finalists 25 times. Total Final appearances 107
Cork: 37 titles (28.24%), beaten finalists 21 times. Total Final appearances 89
Tipperary: 9 titles (6.87%), beaten finalists 22 times. Total Final appearances 26
Clare: 2 titles (1.53%), beaten finalists 9 times. Total Final appearances 16
Limerick: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 14 times. Total Final appearances 14
Waterford: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 14 times. Total Final appearances 10

Average would be 21.8 (22) titles per County and 44 final appearances.

Connacht - 121 titles
Mayo: 47 titles (38.84%), beaten finalists 35 times. Total Final appearances 82
Galway: 46 titles (38.02%), beaten finalists 33 times. Total Final appearances 79
Roscommon: 23 titles (19.01%), beaten finalists 25 times. Total Final appearances 48
Sligo: 3 titles (2.48%), beaten finalists 15 times. Total Final appearances 18
Leitrim: 2 titles (1.65%), beaten finalists 9 times. Total Final appearances 11

Average would be 24.2 (24) titles per County and 48 final appearances.


Few stats are a bit mad when you see them actually written down e.g. both Ulster and Leinster have one County each who have never won the Provincial (and it's not even Kilkenny in Leinster!!!); Wicklow haven't even been in a final since the 19th Century; Kerry and Cork have won just over 90% of the Munster titles between then and have contested 69 of the 131 finals (and since 1922 their names have been on the trophy all but 2 years!). With the exception of Antrim (1951), each of the other 8 Counties in Ulster have won the title at least once in the last 23 years - in the same time period 6 Leinster, 4 Connacht and the 2 Munster Counties have won titles."
Grand bit of research but you have been fairly selective using 23 years as the cut off. If you used 26 years then you will see all 5 Connacht counties have been champions.
All them stats though do show the value of keeping the provinces, good share of silverware around the counties. Those who want them done away with for an open draw need to realise that it would mean limiting the chance of winning silverware in championship to a handful of teams across the country."
Yeah fair enough - was only scanning through and noticed that ourselves apart every other County in Ulster had won one since 1997 and then had a quick look at each other Province from that date. Had set out to just see how the wins/finals compared per Province and was just picking up on a few bits as was collecting the data."]You say from 1997 every team in Ulster have won Ulster. Fermanagh have never won it ever.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 17/11/2020 18:36:51    2310766

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Replying To Saynothing:  "
Replying To Offside_Rule:  "[quote=Soma:  "[quote=Offside_Rule:  "Breakdown of the Provincial Wins/Losses/Appearances by Province. Why? Just because I was bored.

Ulster - 124 titles
Cavan: 39 titles (31.45%), beaten finalists 23 times. Total Final appearances 62
Tyrone: 17 titles (13.71%), beaten finalists 8 times. Total Final appearances 25
Monaghan: 16 titles (12.90%), beaten finalists 12 times. Total Final appearances 28
Armagh: 14 titles (11.29%), beaten finalists 21 times. Total Final appearances 35
Down: 12 titles (9.68%), beaten finalists 16 times. Total Final appearances 28
Donegal: 10 titles (8.06%), beaten finalists 13 times. Total Final appearances 23
Antrim: 9 titles (7.26%), beaten finalists 10 times. Total Final appearances 19
Derry: 7 titles (5.65%), beaten finalists 10 times. Total Final appearances 17
Fermanagh: 0 titles (0%), beaten finalists 6 times. Total Final appearances 6

So if all things were equal in the world you'd be looking at an average of 13.8 (14) titles per County and approx 27 final appearances.

Leinster - 132 titles
Dublin: 39 titles (43.94%), beaten finalists 25 times. Total Final appearances 62
Meath: 21 titles (15.91%), beaten finalists 21 times. Total Final appearances 25
Kildare: 13 titles (9.85%), beaten finalists 22 times. Total Final appearances 28
Offaly: 10 titles (7.58%), beaten finalists 9 times. Total Final appearances 35
Wexford: 10 titles (7.58%), beaten finalists 14 times. Total Final appearances 28
Louth: 8 titles (6.06%), beaten finalists 14 times. Total Final appearances 23
Laois: 6 titles (4.55%), beaten finalists 15 times. Total Final appearances 19
Kilkenny: 3 titles (2.27%), beaten finalists 5 times. Total Final appearances 17
Carlow: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 2 times. Total Final appearances 6
Longford: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 1 time. Total Final appearances 6
Westmeath: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 4 times. Total Final appearances 6
Wicklow: 0 titles (0%), beaten finalists 1 time. Total Final appearances 6

Average would be 11 titles per County and 22 final appearances.

Munster - 131 titles
Kerry: 81 titles (61.83%), beaten finalists 25 times. Total Final appearances 107
Cork: 37 titles (28.24%), beaten finalists 21 times. Total Final appearances 89
Tipperary: 9 titles (6.87%), beaten finalists 22 times. Total Final appearances 26
Clare: 2 titles (1.53%), beaten finalists 9 times. Total Final appearances 16
Limerick: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 14 times. Total Final appearances 14
Waterford: 1 title (0.76%), beaten finalists 14 times. Total Final appearances 10

Average would be 21.8 (22) titles per County and 44 final appearances.

Connacht - 121 titles
Mayo: 47 titles (38.84%), beaten finalists 35 times. Total Final appearances 82
Galway: 46 titles (38.02%), beaten finalists 33 times. Total Final appearances 79
Roscommon: 23 titles (19.01%), beaten finalists 25 times. Total Final appearances 48
Sligo: 3 titles (2.48%), beaten finalists 15 times. Total Final appearances 18
Leitrim: 2 titles (1.65%), beaten finalists 9 times. Total Final appearances 11

Average would be 24.2 (24) titles per County and 48 final appearances.


Few stats are a bit mad when you see them actually written down e.g. both Ulster and Leinster have one County each who have never won the Provincial (and it's not even Kilkenny in Leinster!!!); Wicklow haven't even been in a final since the 19th Century; Kerry and Cork have won just over 90% of the Munster titles between then and have contested 69 of the 131 finals (and since 1922 their names have been on the trophy all but 2 years!). With the exception of Antrim (1951), each of the other 8 Counties in Ulster have won the title at least once in the last 23 years - in the same time period 6 Leinster, 4 Connacht and the 2 Munster Counties have won titles."
Grand bit of research but you have been fairly selective using 23 years as the cut off. If you used 26 years then you will see all 5 Connacht counties have been champions.
All them stats though do show the value of keeping the provinces, good share of silverware around the counties. Those who want them done away with for an open draw need to realise that it would mean limiting the chance of winning silverware in championship to a handful of teams across the country."
Yeah fair enough - was only scanning through and noticed that ourselves apart every other County in Ulster had won one since 1997 and then had a quick look at each other Province from that date. Had set out to just see how the wins/finals compared per Province and was just picking up on a few bits as was collecting the data."]You say from 1997 every team in Ulster have won Ulster. Fermanagh have never won it ever."]Minor detail....

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4029 - 17/11/2020 19:01:10    2310781

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "link

Doesn't look good in fairness."
Tks for help with the tech bit. You might post a short guide how to do it.

GDL (Galway) - Posts: 438 - 17/11/2020 19:02:20    2310782

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Replying To hashtag2017:  "Ah lord moc.dna he was never going to take SW off. If the stats men were doing their job they would have ticked at least 5 possessions lost by him. First minute pass to no one ball went over the end line. Few minutes later caught in possession as he soloed forward, next possession kicked to full forward line (where he should have been), Barrett in front possession lost, brutal pass to JD (stretchered off) and at the end a 40:60 pass to Heaney, game over. Throw into the mix that his man marker kicked a point and I think you will see that one of most experienced players had a bad day at the office."
Funny how you also missed the stats about him being joint top scorer from play with Conroy and top scorer overall. If Shane Walsh was poor, he had plenty of company.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 786 - 17/11/2020 19:18:44    2310788

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Replying To GDL:  "
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Doesn't look good in fairness."
Tks for help with the tech bit. You might post a short guide how to do it."
GDL, a step by step guide with pictures

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 310 - 17/11/2020 19:19:08    2310789

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Replying To GDL:  "
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Doesn't look good in fairness."
Tks for help with the tech bit. You might post a short guide how to do it."
No bother. Click on View full size underneath the picture in Facebook. On the full size page the link address is shown. It's mad long, below but when you copy and paste it into the message window here highlight it all and click on the url box below and it'll appear just as link when the message is posted.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5955 - 17/11/2020 19:35:56    2310800

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Averages can skew things. I think the main point is Mayo are no longer an ageing team falling off a cliff. Still a team in transition and there will be tough days ahead no doubt but heading in the right direction...I think.

Paddy Durkan is now regarded as old by many...he is only 26. Cillain O C is 28."
I'd agree with that, like ourselves you're likely going to need another few players to challenge for an All Ireland.

You still have a number of key player who are over 30 like Barrett, Keegan, Clarke, O'Shea & McLaughlin who'll need replacing in the next few years whilst Paul Conroy is the only player over 30 that Galway really depend on.

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 60 - 17/11/2020 19:53:04    2310805

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The rules state that if a player falls or Is knocked to the ground he can fist or palm the ball away and score while doing so.

Sor (Mayo) - Posts: 1 - 17/11/2020 19:54:51    2310806

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Shane Walsh kicked 2 points that I'm not sure any other player in the country is capable of scoring, he clearly had a disappointing first half but he was in good company and perhaps like the rest of his tea mates that can be put down to the lack of a game. As for the frees I saw someone say Rock wouldn't have missed them, he wouldn't have dreamed of taking on either from those angles unless it was a kick to win a game like last years drawn All Ireland Final which he missed.

You'd go to a game just to watch Shane Walsh play.

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 60 - 17/11/2020 20:04:33    2310810

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Averages can skew things. I think the main point is Mayo are no longer an ageing team falling off a cliff. Still a team in transition and there will be tough days ahead no doubt but heading in the right direction...I think.

Paddy Durkan is now regarded as old by many...he is only 26. Cillain O C is 28."
Mayo's heavy defeats to Kerry and Dublin last year made James Horan realise that changes was needed and more youth and pace required to his team however the 4 new/young players added to the Mayo starting 15 has skewed people's view that this is now a young and inexperienced Mayo team.

In reality 11 starters D Clarke, C Barrett, L Keegan; P Durcan, S Coen, C Loftus,M Ruane,K McLoughlin, D O'Connor, A O'Shea,C O'Connor had the experience of playing in either All-Ireland semi final or final in recent years and while I'm less sure about O'Donoghue (needs more S&C work) I foresee Mullin, Conroy and McLoughlin as starters for many years to come.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 335 - 17/11/2020 20:55:33    2310836

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Replying To Sor:  "The rules state that if a player falls or Is knocked to the ground he can fist or palm the ball away and score while doing so."
Hurson gave a free against Paul Conroy for this in the game at the weekend. He really done the dog on Galway in that second half.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 565 - 17/11/2020 20:58:03    2310837

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Replying To TheBishop:  "Shane Walsh kicked 2 points that I'm not sure any other player in the country is capable of scoring, he clearly had a disappointing first half but he was in good company and perhaps like the rest of his tea mates that can be put down to the lack of a game. As for the frees I saw someone say Rock wouldn't have missed them, he wouldn't have dreamed of taking on either from those angles unless it was a kick to win a game like last years drawn All Ireland Final which he missed.

You'd go to a game just to watch Shane Walsh play."
Yes for sure Bishop. Shane Walsh a delight to watch. There s certain players I always loved watching like Maurice Fitzgerald Ciarán McDonald Diarmuid Connolly Mattie Forde Peter Canavan Colin Corkery Graham Geraghty and Shane Walsh

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 17/11/2020 21:00:23    2310838

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Hurson gave a free against Paul Conroy for this in the game at the weekend. He really done the dog on Galway in that second half."
When that happened on Sunday I thought of that exact rule. I was only aware of it because of what happened between Monaghan and Kerry in the Super 8s game a couple of years ago. Monaghan were 3 ahead and holding possession at the end. I think it was Colin Walshe who fell and the ball hit the deck. He played it with his hand to a teammate. Maurice Deegan gave a free to Kerry, from which they pumped the ball in, Donaghy broke it to Clifford who finished a great goal to make it a draw. It was pointed out afterwards that Deegan was wrong to give the free and Walshe was entitled to play the ball. Not that it was much good to Monaghan at that stage. I'd have thought refs would be well up on it at this stage.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 875 - 17/11/2020 22:06:26    2310882

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Ref getting a lot of stick after that game from some Galway supporters , but he could have given Galway players straight Reds , one for for a knee on O Shea , and one for a punch on Conroy,

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 39 - 17/11/2020 22:31:37    2310893

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "When that happened on Sunday I thought of that exact rule. I was only aware of it because of what happened between Monaghan and Kerry in the Super 8s game a couple of years ago. Monaghan were 3 ahead and holding possession at the end. I think it was Colin Walshe who fell and the ball hit the deck. He played it with his hand to a teammate. Maurice Deegan gave a free to Kerry, from which they pumped the ball in, Donaghy broke it to Clifford who finished a great goal to make it a draw. It was pointed out afterwards that Deegan was wrong to give the free and Walshe was entitled to play the ball. Not that it was much good to Monaghan at that stage. I'd have thought refs would be well up on it at this stage."
That rule says you have to be in possession of the ball though to play it on the ground, you can't touch the ball on the ground if you are not in possession of it. Neither Conroy or Durkan were in possession when they fell on Sunday, the fact Hurson called the 2 of them differently tells you the kind of day he had.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2484 - 17/11/2020 22:34:26    2310895

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Replying To hashtag2017:  "Ah lord moc.dna he was never going to take SW off. If the stats men were doing their job they would have ticked at least 5 possessions lost by him. First minute pass to no one ball went over the end line. Few minutes later caught in possession as he soloed forward, next possession kicked to full forward line (where he should have been), Barrett in front possession lost, brutal pass to JD (stretchered off) and at the end a 40:60 pass to Heaney, game over. Throw into the mix that his man marker kicked a point and I think you will see that one of most experienced players had a bad day at the office."
Wrong guy, it was a defender, but of course you knew that, you just used your post to have a dig at SW.
While SW made errors, without his scores from play, Galway wouldn't have been at the races. He is one of the few skilled players on the panel who can also shoot a score, if Galway supporters are hanging out SW then there is no hope for Galway football.
Lads that will run up & down the field all day wont win football matches, at the end of the day, you need skill as well.
I see from another post you praised a guy to the hilt for his performance, obviously the tinted club glasses on as his contribution was average & its amazing to many how many opportunities he has got with a plethora of average performances.
Problem with Galway football as always is the politics, club rivalry, north v west thing glory hunting, nobody prepared to take on a team & bring it all the way through the development ranks.
One incident on the sideline at the weekend shows that there is a big problem within Galway football still, if it doesn't get a clean broom some day from top to bottom at all levels, all those young lads coming through will never see glory.
Massive opportunity lost this year.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1049 - 17/11/2020 22:54:32    2310899

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Replying To jacktheboy:  "Ref getting a lot of stick after that game from some Galway supporters , but he could have given Galway players straight Reds , one for for a knee on O Shea , and one for a punch on Conroy,"
I am far from a Galway supporter bud but anyone who watched the game could see Galway were extremely hard done by. While the two incidents you have highlighted could have been red so could the punch by the Mayo player in the image the lads have linked. Also in the second half i think it was O'Se fouled a Galway player and dropped the knees down on him. He threw his hands up in the air to claim it was accidental and held them there until free was taken. I can remember laughing about how well he played the ref at the time. The picture of innocent's.

Mayo were the better team for majority of the game and should have been way further ahead but when Galway were closing in it has to be said the ref done them no favours.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 565 - 18/11/2020 08:17:09    2310920

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Replying To Yondu:  "Mayo's heavy defeats to Kerry and Dublin last year made James Horan realise that changes was needed and more youth and pace required to his team however the 4 new/young players added to the Mayo starting 15 has skewed people's view that this is now a young and inexperienced Mayo team.

In reality 11 starters D Clarke, C Barrett, L Keegan; P Durcan, S Coen, C Loftus,M Ruane,K McLoughlin, D O'Connor, A O'Shea,C O'Connor had the experience of playing in either All-Ireland semi final or final in recent years and while I'm less sure about O'Donoghue (needs more S&C work) I foresee Mullin, Conroy and McLoughlin as starters for many years to come."
I agree but to be fair Horan he's done really well to find 3 lads who are still u21's in Mullin, McLoughlin & Conroy who've all had huge impacts. He'll probably need to find another 3 if there to challenge for an All Ireland.

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 60 - 18/11/2020 08:58:17    2310922

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