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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I see the Galway coot hoots are out in force talking up Mayo ahead of next Sunday. The reality is that Mayo are a team in transition and at this stage are in bonus territory. It usually takes a few years for a team to gel and Horan is only into the first few months of rebuilding. Who outside of Mayo had heard of, Eoghan McLoughlin, Oisin Mullin, Rory Brickenden, Bryan Walsh, Ryan O Donoghoe, Jordan Flynn, Mark Moran or Padraic O Hora before this year. Yet they have all played in this years championship. Galway are a settled team who, before a blip against Mayo, were favourites to win the League and seen as the nearest challengers to Dublin and Kerry. Nothing less than an All Ireland appearance will be acceptable in Galway at this stage of their development, whereas Mayo, by beating Roscommon have already exceeded expectations. We will be disappointed if we don't have a team capable of challenging the Kerry's, Galway's andDonegals of this world in two or three years time but at the minute we are well back in the pack. I was impressed with Corks handling of the ball in the awful conditions against Kerry. I was surprised that they didn't let a few kicks into that big lad but they were very patient in possession and it paid off for them in the end. Kerry will kick themselves over the missed frees. As for Clifford's point, they are grand when they go over but you would be encouraging lads, however talented, not to shoot from that angle. You wouldn't see the Dubs taking on shots like that, or missing frees for that matter. A change of mindset might not be any harm. Donegal are the only ones to have a chance, albeit a slight one, against the Dubs. Although it's a funny year and you never know on a bad day with a couple of red cards, a couple of bad decisions, maybe even a couple of own goals Donegal might go close. Still I think by this time next the Dubs will be talking seven."
Can ye lend us a few players
Were down to the bare bones down here
Mood not good in the camp at all
PJ hoping he can lift the morale of the lads

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1216 - 09/11/2020 20:58:12    2306994

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Cork lost a few players to hurling over the last few years. Aidan Walsh, Eoin Cadogan.
Cork would need to build on this, and might make them more appealing for dual players in county.
Tipperary have done decent against Cork, so should be interesting final

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 09/11/2020 21:02:29    2306997

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Replying To catch22:  "I don't think too many people thought Cork would pull it off .
Kerry seemed like a team that were afraid yesterday and played a strange brand of football. Ok, Geaney and O Donoghue were missing but I doubt that was going to change a whole pile. Young Spillane was there all day and wasn't used for most of it. Clifford wasn't great either and overall it was a poor game . Bar the goal at the end it would be easily forgotten.
I think Kerry got caught on the hop and not sure what to make of Cork yet. I wouldn't be surprised if it's not the last shock we'll see this year though. Meath will give Dublin a run for their money and Donegal are no slouches either.
Mayo look like the form team but could Galway find something since the league game ?
Still all to play for ."
I agree with most of what you say, catch22, apart from your opinion that Meath will give Dublin a run for their money. It's probably safe to assume that Dublin will beath Laois but Meath beating Kildare is hardly a foregone conclusion.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 221 - 09/11/2020 21:36:29    2307012

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I think it's because Cork knocked three goals past them last year with direct football. Keane completely overcompensated and got caught. The over cautious approach robbed the forwards of any platform they had to succeed. We had no half forward line for the entire game, meaning Clifford and Brosnan had to come out looking for the ball, Cork must have been absolutely delighted with this setup."
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1109/1177065-osullivan-over-confident-kerry-had-no-plan-b/

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 09/11/2020 21:54:16    2307023

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Congrats to Cork. This is the earliest time that Kerry have been out of the Championship since 1994."
It's November Ollie.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 09/11/2020 21:57:36    2307025

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Yis took your eye off Cork, treated like a league game and were beat by a freak goal with the last kick of extra time. There's no need for any other narrative yerra yerra

If yis were in the same situation against Dublin, David Moran certainly wouldn't have ballooned a crazy shot like he did a point up and a minute left."
" If yis were in the same situation against Dublin, David Moran certainly wouldn't have ballooned a crazy shot like he did a point up and a minute left."

To be fair, I think he would.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 09/11/2020 22:00:55    2307027

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Replying To yew_tree:  "People love to knock Mayo people down when we get excited or giddy....now that Mayo people accept the team in transition and downplay our chances the opposition are disappointed and bored so they build us up for the fall themselves...hilarious"
no county team should ever be in "transition". it's a representative panel, picked on merit and form. Shur we in Cavan must be in transition since 1969. The only team in transition would be a team of transgender folks and even they would have already transitioned.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 09/11/2020 22:09:32    2307032

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I think it's because Cork knocked three goals past them last year with direct football. Keane completely overcompensated and got caught. The over cautious approach robbed the forwards of any platform they had to succeed. We had no half forward line for the entire game, meaning Clifford and Brosnan had to come out looking for the ball, Cork must have been absolutely delighted with this setup."
With all Kerry's experience and Maurice Fitz on the line etc I'm surprised that was how they played and why didn't they change it when they seen how things were going? Kerry missed a sight of chances too,
That goal chance O'Beaglaoich had, he blasted it at the perfect height for the keeper. wasn't the Gooch and Donaghy saying for years the way to score a goal like that is to pass it into the net, even a daisy cutter would have a better chance of going in. suppose it's hard to keep cool when the pressure is on. easy talking about it.

Hope we aren't joining ye after Sat, Mc Geeney is lying in wait to do a Cork on us, Armagh have no fear of Donegal. a bit like Cork and Kerry scenario.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 09/11/2020 22:12:50    2307036

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Replying To club51:  "after a few mins of being happy for Cork, it dawned on me oh **** they just killed the terminator who will stop the dubs now.

Nobody unfortunately"
ooh. so you believe this is mayo's year then. You could be right and what a shame it would be to win Sam after 69 years and no fans there to experience it. Maybe, just Maybe the lockdown rules could be relaxed for the ALL IRELAND final 2020. Dublin v Mayo

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 09/11/2020 22:20:10    2307039

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Not sure how I'd be feeling of the analysis of this match if I was from Cork.

Everyone talking about what Kerry got wrong, no one talking about what Cork got right. Cork are no mugs. They came up to Croke Park last year and put the frighteners on Dublin - best performance vs Dublin last year. They just stormed Div 3, I'd back them to storm Div 2 next, just deservedly knocked out All Ireland finalists & NFL holders. Not to mention what is breaking through there.

Many won't agree with me, but I actually think Cork played within themselves yesterday, they obviously had a game plan and came up against the blanket defence in awful conditions, but they are a far more offensive team then they showed yesterday. I wouldn't be underestimating them, there have been red flags for a while of how dangerous they are becoming.

But then Cork will be happy with the narrative of a "shock" and the being spotlight on other teams remaining.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 09/11/2020 22:31:28    2307046

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Replying To rhudson:  "Can ye lend us a few players
Were down to the bare bones down here
Mood not good in the camp at all
PJ hoping he can lift the morale of the lads"
Seem to remember a few years back ye had the same problem before playing Mayo. Couldn't get players to commit, lucky to field a team blah,blah, blah. Us feeling sorry for ye and how did that turn out. I think I can still hear the fields of Athenry reverberating around the fields of Castlebar. As the saying goes "fool me once.........

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1105 - 09/11/2020 22:53:42    2307058

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The story after we beat Dublin in the 2014 semi final was all about what happened Dublin and what went wrong but I suppose this is normal when hot favs are beaten and no disrespect meant to the winners.
I was one of the few on here giving Cork a chance if you look back at the posts, no way do Cork belong in div 3 or 2, they will be back in div 1 soon. Mayo and Cork to get promoted back to div 1 next year.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 09/11/2020 22:53:45    2307059

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "With all Kerry's experience and Maurice Fitz on the line etc I'm surprised that was how they played and why didn't they change it when they seen how things were going? Kerry missed a sight of chances too,
That goal chance O'Beaglaoich had, he blasted it at the perfect height for the keeper. wasn't the Gooch and Donaghy saying for years the way to score a goal like that is to pass it into the net, even a daisy cutter would have a better chance of going in. suppose it's hard to keep cool when the pressure is on. easy talking about it.

Hope we aren't joining ye after Sat, Mc Geeney is lying in wait to do a Cork on us, Armagh have no fear of Donegal. a bit like Cork and Kerry scenario."
To be honest I have no idea what Keane was at. Kerry missed a boatload of chances and hit the woodwork several times but they didn't deserve anything from the game anyway. I hope I never see a Kerry team set out their stall like that ever again.

I don't mind the defeat at all, it's the way that Kerry approached the game that has me baffled. Only Peter Keane can answer in relation to the lack of adjustments. On another day he'd have gotten away with it as the goal was well taken but it was extremely fortunate to fall to young Keane after a wayward attempt at a point. That's the beauty of sport.

Cork certainly building and I'm not trying to take anything away from them at all. It was a gutsy performance and they deserved to progress on to the final.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 09/11/2020 22:57:48    2307063

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not sure how I'd be feeling of the analysis of this match if I was from Cork.

Everyone talking about what Kerry got wrong, no one talking about what Cork got right. Cork are no mugs. They came up to Croke Park last year and put the frighteners on Dublin - best performance vs Dublin last year. They just stormed Div 3, I'd back them to storm Div 2 next, just deservedly knocked out All Ireland finalists & NFL holders. Not to mention what is breaking through there.

Many won't agree with me, but I actually think Cork played within themselves yesterday, they obviously had a game plan and came up against the blanket defence in awful conditions, but they are a far more offensive team then they showed yesterday. I wouldn't be underestimating them, there have been red flags for a while of how dangerous they are becoming.

But then Cork will be happy with the narrative of a "shock" and the being spotlight on other teams remaining."
Agreed. Probably Kerry put best performance last year against Dublin. Cork did well for 55 minutes against Dublin and Tyrone but ran out of puff ultimately.

But there are big changes this year though. Cian O'Neill is in as coach. Kevin Smith joined as strength and conditioning coach from a French Rugby club Stade Francaise. Aidan O Connell has massive experience in sports management and strength and conditioning. He is involved. Off the field, we have it right. The set up is more professional than it was. Players have bought in.

On the field, we have had under age success. 5 lads under 21 played yesterday. Two of them were in our top three performers (Meehan and Shanley). Two more were out for Covid19 contact reasons yesterday. Cathal O Mahony is a certain starter and Brian Hartnett will be close. Ultimately there is a changing of the guard now happening at pace.

The noise from the squad all week has been positive. Players only wanted a result. Moral victories were no good. We had one in last years Munster Final and against Dublin and Tyrone. Sean Cavanagh mentioned last week for all Tyrone progress in the last 10 years, they have no wins against Dublin /Kerry /Mayo since 2008. It is all about the win. We have it.

Lots of people saying it was a fluke. Fine but Kerry got a fright yesterday by half time.. And again at full time. They had the better squad so all the aces were in their pack for ET. If they were so much better than us then in extra time, they should have steamrolled us. It never happened so maybe they are not much better. Yet they are Division 1 champions.

Anyway we will see. We have Tipperary next and our forwards need to be better. We will be big favourites now. Different dynamic. But bring it on now. Great to be playing.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3772 - 09/11/2020 23:25:49    2307071

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Replying To Fionn:  "Still don't buy that... playing a Div 3 team... nah... not for me...!
He was saving ye for bigger games ahead, and it came back to haunt him imo."
Fionn I don't know the answer to that. I'm just giving my view. Maybe PK took Cork too lightly I don't know but I know that in Kerry we never take Cork too lightly. Of course in the back of his head he s bound to be thinking of the dubs cos you are the Kingpins at the mó and the benchmark for all the other teams but as I say I don't think any Kerry manager or player would look beyond Cork. Down through the years bad Cork teams rise for Kerry and vice versa. If Keane did overlook them then he was very naive but no matter what he got it wrong. Now Ive been listening to radio and reading about the game and it's all about Cork out playing Kerry but in reality Kerry had more chances than Cork and with time up we were up a point so it was nt as if we were beaten out the gate. Having said that we did nt win cos we were nt good enough so PK has to take responsibility for that too. P. S. I like having Cork back. Kerry need Cork and I'm already looking forward to 2021.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 10/11/2020 00:18:32    2307077

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Replying To midlands:  "I agree with most of what you say, catch22, apart from your opinion that Meath will give Dublin a run for their money. It's probably safe to assume that Dublin will beath Laois but Meath beating Kildare is hardly a foregone conclusion."
Fair enough , only time will tell. IMO Meath are going to be 5-7 better than Kildare.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 10/11/2020 06:42:13    2307084

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Not sure how I'd be feeling of the analysis of this match if I was from Cork.

Everyone talking about what Kerry got wrong, no one talking about what Cork got right. Cork are no mugs. They came up to Croke Park last year and put the frighteners on Dublin - best performance vs Dublin last year. They just stormed Div 3, I'd back them to storm Div 2 next, just deservedly knocked out All Ireland finalists & NFL holders. Not to mention what is breaking through there.

Many won't agree with me, but I actually think Cork played within themselves yesterday, they obviously had a game plan and came up against the blanket defence in awful conditions, but they are a far more offensive team then they showed yesterday. I wouldn't be underestimating them, there have been red flags for a while of how dangerous they are becoming.

But then Cork will be happy with the narrative of a "shock" and the being spotlight on other teams remaining."
Ya we've been these things about Cork with the last few months but all we heard from you and others is oh that yerrah yerrah and you said only connacht and ulster were competitive?

You have said many time on here over the last few months that this years allireland doesn't really count (of which I don't agree) so what I want to know now is does the allireland count for who ever wins it now since kerry have been knocked out?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 10/11/2020 07:54:39    2307088

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "I think it's because Cork knocked three goals past them last year with direct football. Keane completely overcompensated and got caught. The over cautious approach robbed the forwards of any platform they had to succeed. We had no half forward line for the entire game, meaning Clifford and Brosnan had to come out looking for the ball, Cork must have been absolutely delighted with this setup."
In fairness Kerry created more than enough easy chances to have the game well wrapped up in normal time, they could and should have been at least 4/5 points clear going down the stretch at the end of the 70. You can't blame Peter Keane for his players putting balls wide from around the '21 under little or no pressure. Same as you can't really blame him for the complete non-defending for the goal at the end. 2 Kerry players literally standing there and watching Mark Keane catch a high dropping ball into his chest, with neither making any attempt to try and stop him. If you saw it a junior F match up the Phoenix Park you'd be disappointed let alone in a senior inter-county game.

At the same time it is quite hard to work out what PK's plan was. Was he really spooked by the "great" Cork/Kerry rivalry plamás fest? Cork played their league football in Division 3 this year, Kerry won Division 1. His plan was akin to Dessie Farrell changing everything to play against Westmeath, a team ranked higher than Cork in the league btw.

I think PK had the Mayo/Galway semi-final, as well as the final against Dublin/Donegal very much in his head for the Cork game. To be borrow a phrase from the late, great Páidí, I think he thought that no matter what, 'they'd carry their legs' against Cork. If he was really afraid of Cork he would have set his team up to go at Cork from the start and bury them but he didn't, he obviously felt they could get away with using the game to work on other issues for later on down the line.

To be honest I wouldn't even be over-critical of him for that, Kerry should have been able to use this game work on their game plan for later on this year. If his forwards had taken the numerous simple chances they created and/or Shane Ryan or Tommy Walsh actually bothered to attempt to contest that last ball in then Kerry would have come through the game.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13145 - 10/11/2020 08:28:32    2307091

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Ya we've been these things about Cork with the last few months but all we heard from you and others is oh that yerrah yerrah and you said only connacht and ulster were competitive?

You have said many time on here over the last few months that this years allireland doesn't really count (of which I don't agree) so what I want to know now is does the allireland count for who ever wins it now since kerry have been knocked out?"
You sound very angry Tom. Calm down a small bit.
Enjoy the rest of the games like.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 10/11/2020 09:44:52    2307106

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "No disrespect meant there Connolly as I have massive respect for Dublin and yes they are massive rivals for us but for me it's Cork number and I'll explain. I grew up in the 70s and 80s when Dublin Kerry had a great rivalry but we met Cork every year in tough games. Between 1985 and 2001 Kerry and Dublin never met in the championship. Since the introduction of the backdoor in 2001 nó counties have met more in the football championship than Kerry and Cork. They met in munster nearly every year bar 03 and drew in munster in 02 06 09 10 and 15.also Kerry and Cork drew in all ireland semi final 08.they met in 2 all ireland finals. In 02 06 08 09 they met 3 times in the championship in the same year. When Kerry won the Sam through back door in 06 and 09 it was Cork that had beaten them earlier after replays. When Cork won Sam in 10 through backdoor it was Kerry that had beaten them earlier also after a replay. Now all these statistics are facts. Yes we have had the upper hand on Cork recently but Dublin also have had that on us big time. So I hope you understand now what I mean Conn as it was nt a dig at Dublin at all. At the moment I would prefer to beat Dublin than Cork but I'll be waiting a while for that I think. Anyway as I say no disrespect meant at all."
No disrespect taken whatsoever CiarraiMick.

I suppose where i was coming from was; for me, your biggest rival is the team you would love to beat more than any other team. And obviously at the moment Dublin are that team for Kerry

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1922 - 10/11/2020 09:47:33    2307107

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