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Awful proposals, talk about moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 05/11/2020 13:44:51
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Replying To cavanman47: ""It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery!"
Fancy your chances of winning Leinster this year? Or next? Or the one after that. . . ?
People want change because the system is unfair, regardless of how many of us love watching the sport. The best teams will generally always end up at the business end of the championship, but a level playing field is the least all counties should expect given the commitment demanded of their players, management and county board structures." I don't know how we'll do over the next few years, we may win nothing but I still want my team to compete rather than quit.
Also on that note how well has every team in the country done at stopping Dublin in championship football over the last 5 years?
We have a very good competition in the NFL where teams already do play at their own level and compete for silverware. I think the NFL could certainly be utilised and promoted better but it is a good competition and should not be dismissed.
I'm not entirely sure though that lower ranked teams really want to be omitted from the current championship to play in a Tommy Murphy cup competition. In fact history has proven on more than one occasion that they don't really appreciate being cut adrift with the failures of both the All-Ireland B championship and the Tommy Murphy Cup.
As a matter of interest, what structure would you like to see in order to provide a level the playing field?
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 05/11/2020 14:42:19
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Replying To Htaem: " Replying To cavanman47: ""It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery!"
Fancy your chances of winning Leinster this year? Or next? Or the one after that. . . ?
People want change because the system is unfair, regardless of how many of us love watching the sport. The best teams will generally always end up at the business end of the championship, but a level playing field is the least all counties should expect given the commitment demanded of their players, management and county board structures." I don't know how we'll do over the next few years, we may win nothing but I still want my team to compete rather than quit. Also on that note how well has every team in the country done at stopping Dublin in championship football over the last 5 years? We have a very good competition in the NFL where teams already do play at their own level and compete for silverware. I think the NFL could certainly be utilised and promoted better but it is a good competition and should not be dismissed. I'm not entirely sure though that lower ranked teams really want to be omitted from the current championship to play in a Tommy Murphy cup competition. In fact history has proven on more than one occasion that they don't really appreciate being cut adrift with the failures of both the All-Ireland B championship and the Tommy Murphy Cup. As a matter of interest, what structure would you like to see in order to provide a level the playing field?"
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 05/11/2020 17:08:34
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Replying To Rolo2010: " Replying To Htaem: "[quote=cavanman47: ""It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery!"
Fancy your chances of winning Leinster this year? Or next? Or the one after that. . . ?
People want change because the system is unfair, regardless of how many of us love watching the sport. The best teams will generally always end up at the business end of the championship, but a level playing field is the least all counties should expect given the commitment demanded of their players, management and county board structures." I don't know how we'll do over the next few years, we may win nothing but I still want my team to compete rather than quit. Also on that note how well has every team in the country done at stopping Dublin in championship football over the last 5 years? We have a very good competition in the NFL where teams already do play at their own level and compete for silverware. I think the NFL could certainly be utilised and promoted better but it is a good competition and should not be dismissed. I'm not entirely sure though that lower ranked teams really want to be omitted from the current championship to play in a Tommy Murphy cup competition. In fact history has proven on more than one occasion that they don't really appreciate being cut adrift with the failures of both the All-Ireland B championship and the Tommy Murphy Cup. As a matter of interest, what structure would you like to see in order to provide a level the playing field?"
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2516 - 05/11/2020 17:22:50
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Replying To Gaa_lover: " Replying To Rolo2010: "[quote=Htaem: "[quote=cavanman47: ""It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery!"
Fancy your chances of winning Leinster this year? Or next? Or the one after that. . . ?
People want change because the system is unfair, regardless of how many of us love watching the sport. The best teams will generally always end up at the business end of the championship, but a level playing field is the least all counties should expect given the commitment demanded of their players, management and county board structures." I don't know how we'll do over the next few years, we may win nothing but I still want my team to compete rather than quit. Also on that note how well has every team in the country done at stopping Dublin in championship football over the last 5 years? We have a very good competition in the NFL where teams already do play at their own level and compete for silverware. I think the NFL could certainly be utilised and promoted better but it is a good competition and should not be dismissed. I'm not entirely sure though that lower ranked teams really want to be omitted from the current championship to play in a Tommy Murphy cup competition. In fact history has proven on more than one occasion that they don't really appreciate being cut adrift with the failures of both the All-Ireland B championship and the Tommy Murphy Cup. As a matter of interest, what structure would you like to see in order to provide a level the playing field?"
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 05/11/2020 18:06:49
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Cork have a named a strong team for Kerry. Mark Keane Afl player among subs
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 05/11/2020 21:06:30
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Cork have a named a strong team for Kerry. Mark Keane Afl player among subs" Wouldn't it be brilliant for Cork to cause an upset, can't see it though with the team Kerry have but they used have some great battles years ago. Bit like the Cavan Monaghan games the battle against the neighbours brings the best out in fellas, Cork are in good form having won promotion, they don't belong in div 2 either, they should be a div 1 team.
Some good games on this Sunday, Roscommon v Mayo then Cork v Kerry, you'd get good odds on a 2 home wins double.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 05/11/2020 23:07:35
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Wouldn't it be brilliant for Cork to cause an upset, can't see it though with the team Kerry have but they used have some great battles years ago. Bit like the Cavan Monaghan games the battle against the neighbours brings the best out in fellas, Cork are in good form having won promotion, they don't belong in div 2 either, they should be a div 1 team.
Some good games on this Sunday, Roscommon v Mayo then Cork v Kerry, you'd get good odds on a 2 home wins double." Game could possibly be over by the 1st water break... it could be a cricket score.
Anyone who thinks Cork will win, needs to see a doctor.. ;o)
kerry wont need to get out of 2nd gear for this one unfortunately.
No offence Cork posters, but completely different levels.
I reckon 10pts plus defeat for the Rebels.
Hope I am wrong though.
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 06/11/2020 09:32:12
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Yes Kerry will win by 4 or 5, but not sure why you think it will be over by first quarter. Cork might have been operating t a lower level in the League, but will obviously want to perform in their own ground ..
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 06/11/2020 09:51:58
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Yes Kerry will win by 4 or 5, but not sure why you think it will be over by first quarter. Cork might have been operating t a lower level in the League, but will obviously want to perform in their own ground .." People were saying that in 2018 also.... ;o)
Hopefully I am wrong..!
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 06/11/2020 11:51:20
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While Cork have some very good young talent, I still think they're a good bit short of being competitive at the highest level. With Kerry's scoring power and ruthlessness and Cork's open door policy at the back, I think this could turn into a bad beating too.
Cork can definitely cause problems and their direct running created a lot of goal chances in last year's game. I just think they'll be under the cosh from the very start and Kerry will be under strict instructions to kill them off from the get-go.
I hope I'm wrong and would love it to be a competitive game, but I can't see anything other than Kerry dominating.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 875 - 06/11/2020 12:44:19
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Replying To Htaem: "Not overly impressed with either of those options.
Why are we gone so obsessed with changing football these days anyway, both the championship structure and rule changes?
I understand things change and evolve over time but sometimes keeping things simple is best. It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery!
I think there's too many people out there inventing problems and creating solutions to suit themselves." I get your points.
On the rules I couldn't agree more. I think people are trying to change the game back to what it was before and I just think they don't really try to grasp why the games are the way they are now. I also just think when you get top teams playing one another and properly trying to win then the game can be as good as it ever was.
On the competition formats though I think they are kind of out of date.
The qualifiers when they came in were really excellent, I think they haven't really kept up with the times though and also they are just not appropriate for arranging club fixtures around. The fixtures calendar needed to be sorted and when you're doing that it makes sense to reevaluate what the best way of doing things is. So I don't think the competition review is tinkering for the sake of it.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 06/11/2020 13:02:19
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Replying To Whammo86: "I get your points.
On the rules I couldn't agree more. I think people are trying to change the game back to what it was before and I just think they don't really try to grasp why the games are the way they are now. I also just think when you get top teams playing one another and properly trying to win then the game can be as good as it ever was.
On the competition formats though I think they are kind of out of date.
The qualifiers when they came in were really excellent, I think they haven't really kept up with the times though and also they are just not appropriate for arranging club fixtures around. The fixtures calendar needed to be sorted and when you're doing that it makes sense to reevaluate what the best way of doing things is. So I don't think the competition review is tinkering for the sake of it." I pretty much agree with all of that.
The tampering of the rules is getting a little bit tiresome at this stage and I think the advanced mark will eventually cause uproar when a big championship game is decided by an easy point scored from an easy mark taken late in a game.
As for the format, I'm not overly interested in the qualifiers anymore myself unless my own team is playing and I think a few others may also feel that way.
I do like that we've gone back to straight KO this year, personally I love straight KO competitions because every game is crucial but I know that's not going to be the format long term. Whatever the Gaa do decide upon I just hope they minimise dead rubber games and don't introduce any token competitions that lower division teams don't want.
Finally, I agree that fixtures need sorting, I wouldn't mind seeing a master fixture list with all intercounty games decided on the day (with the exception of AI finals and maybe provincial finals as well).
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 06/11/2020 14:48:17
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Replying To Rolo2010: " Replying To Htaem: "[quote=cavanman47: ""It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery!"
Fancy your chances of winning Leinster this year? Or next? Or the one after that. . . ?
People want change because the system is unfair, regardless of how many of us love watching the sport. The best teams will generally always end up at the business end of the championship, but a level playing field is the least all counties should expect given the commitment demanded of their players, management and county board structures." I don't know how we'll do over the next few years, we may win nothing but I still want my team to compete rather than quit. Also on that note how well has every team in the country done at stopping Dublin in championship football over the last 5 years? We have a very good competition in the NFL where teams already do play at their own level and compete for silverware. I think the NFL could certainly be utilised and promoted better but it is a good competition and should not be dismissed. I'm not entirely sure though that lower ranked teams really want to be omitted from the current championship to play in a Tommy Murphy cup competition. In fact history has proven on more than one occasion that they don't really appreciate being cut adrift with the failures of both the All-Ireland B championship and the Tommy Murphy Cup. As a matter of interest, what structure would you like to see in order to provide a level the playing field?"
You could reduce it to 3 divisions of 11 each but that would create a lot of extra fixtures.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 06/11/2020 14:51:30
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Replying To Htaem: "I pretty much agree with all of that.
The tampering of the rules is getting a little bit tiresome at this stage and I think the advanced mark will eventually cause uproar when a big championship game is decided by an easy point scored from an easy mark taken late in a game.
As for the format, I'm not overly interested in the qualifiers anymore myself unless my own team is playing and I think a few others may also feel that way.
I do like that we've gone back to straight KO this year, personally I love straight KO competitions because every game is crucial but I know that's not going to be the format long term. Whatever the Gaa do decide upon I just hope they minimise dead rubber games and don't introduce any token competitions that lower division teams don't want.
Finally, I agree that fixtures need sorting, I wouldn't mind seeing a master fixture list with all intercounty games decided on the day (with the exception of AI finals and maybe provincial finals as well)." Yeah completely agree with all that.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 06/11/2020 16:12:26
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Replying To Whammo86: "Yeah completely agree with all that." Cavan V Antrim tomorrow, what chance have Antrim do you think?
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 06/11/2020 17:52:37
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Cavan V Antrim tomorrow, what chance have Antrim do you think?" Slim to none I'm afraid. Feels like our season ended in March when you look at the Wicklow game.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 06/11/2020 19:11:22
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Leinster SFC winners.
Longford
Meath
Kildare
Dublin
Ulster
Cavan to beat Antrim
Down to beat Fermanagh. Down have a great tradition starting in the 1960's. If they could hit form, on their day, they are a match for any county.
Connacht SFC
Roscommon can beat Mayo at Hyde Park.
Munster
Limerick to beat Tipperary.
Kerry will overcome a strong and determined Cork challenge. Think Cork can be a force for the future with the underage talent. They always had good footballers,but it is a dual county. Kerry were the form team in Munster, hurling number 2.
MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 06/11/2020 20:02:52
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Can't see Roscommon beating Mayo, they'll give them a good game though.
Down to beat Fermanagh, but it will be close too, think Down have that bit more quality.
Cork will give Kerry a tighter game than many people are thinking imo, but I still expect Kerry to win by 3 or 4 points. and I'll take Cavan to beat Antrim,
that's my 4 timer accum for the weekend. Mayo, Kerry, Down and Cavan. 3 away wins in that.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 06/11/2020 21:30:23
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Can't see Roscommon beating Mayo, they'll give them a good game though.
Down to beat Fermanagh, but it will be close too, think Down have that bit more quality.
Cork will give Kerry a tighter game than many people are thinking imo, but I still expect Kerry to win by 3 or 4 points. and I'll take Cavan to beat Antrim,
that's my 4 timer accum for the weekend. Mayo, Kerry, Down and Cavan. 3 away wins in that." Agree about Down winning, and Cork giving Kerry a big test.
MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 06/11/2020 21:43:10
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