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Football 32 Countys 8 Groups x 4 (3 games per team) Top 2 from each Group into Last 16 Each Group has 1 from Div1, 1 from Div2, 1 from Div3, 1 from Div4 . Example for 2021 Roscommon, Westmeath, Longford and Carlow. 2. Donegal, Mayo, Derry and Sligo 3. Galway, Clare, Offaly and Leitrim katser (Galway) - Posts: 1058 - 02/11/2020 16:39:32 2304500 Link
Replying To katser: "Football 32 Countys 8 Groups x 4 (3 games per team) Top 2 from each Group into Last 16 Each Group has 1 from Div1, 1 from Div2, 1 from Div3, 1 from Div4 . Example for 2021 Roscommon, Westmeath, Longford and Carlow. 2. Donegal, Mayo, Derry and Sligo 3. Galway, Clare, Offaly and Leitrim" Why do we have to have the league start and finish to completion before the championship even begins? I dont think having one team from each division like that is a good idea. Why not have an open draw in part. Seed the top 8 teams but other than that an open draw for the group stage KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 02/11/2020 17:59:50 2304540 Link
Replying To Soma: "Every league you have used as an example there are professional where players get paid bonuses for winning games and teams get bonuses for finishing higher up a league. Neither of them are the case in GAA so when teams can no longer progress in a league all interest ends for them. Having teams give walkovers in your main competition is no good for a sport. It doesn't happen now as teams use the league for upcoming championship but you can be certain it would happen if you have a 13 round league as you main event." A 13 round league will drag on for too long and fitting it in alongside the hurling isn't feasible within 5 months isn't feasible. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 03/11/2020 12:23:29 2304775 Link
Replying To katser: "Football 32 Countys 8 Groups x 4 (3 games per team) Top 2 from each Group into Last 16 Each Group has 1 from Div1, 1 from Div2, 1 from Div3, 1 from Div4 . Example for 2021 Roscommon, Westmeath, Longford and Carlow. 2. Donegal, Mayo, Derry and Sligo 3. Galway, Clare, Offaly and Leitrim" Plenty of dead rubbers and heavy beatings. Won't be any better than what we have now. The group stage works in hurling because every county (bar Munster and Lory Meagher) has something to play for. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 03/11/2020 12:51:12 2304785 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "A 13 round league will drag on for too long and fitting it in alongside the hurling isn't feasible within 5 months isn't feasible." It wouldn't drag on any longer than last year's season when you include the league. That'd be your only competition, it could fit around the hurling better than the current season. 2019s season could involve: 8 rounds of league. Up to 6 rounds between Provincials and qualifiers to reach the super 8. 5 rounds from the super 8 onwards. That's 19 game weekends. You can fit a 13 game league phase plus 3 playoff rounds into 3 less game weeks than the current season. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 03/11/2020 12:53:45 2304787 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It wouldn't drag on any longer than last year's season when you include the league. That'd be your only competition, it could fit around the hurling better than the current season. 2019s season could involve: 8 rounds of league. Up to 6 rounds between Provincials and qualifiers to reach the super 8. 5 rounds from the super 8 onwards. That's 19 game weekends. You can fit a 13 game league phase plus 3 playoff rounds into 3 less game weeks than the current season." The current format drags on for too long as well. Super 8s are not popular and will be scrapped. The League is fine as it is. Short and provides enough games for teams to figure out where they are. I like knockout football and I don't want Donegal to play a 13 round league. I just want the GAA to separate the provincials and create a 2 tier championship. My preferred format would be double elimination or groups of 4 followed by knockout rounds. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 03/11/2020 13:17:22 2304795 Link
Sligo have 7 positive cases, so far, please suspend this years championship, its a joke suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1377 - 03/11/2020 13:39:25 2304806 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "That's it. You structure the league correctly and most teams would have something to play for until the final round. Top 6 to playoffs with top 2 straight to the semifinals would pretty much have teams with 6+ wins from their first 12 rounds with something to play for. Bottom 2 down plus 1 or even 2 relegation playoff spots would mean teams would probably need a minimum of 4 wins to be staying up. You get to the last round of fixtures and you're really only talking about teams with around 9-11 points that'd have nothing to play for. There's already dead rubbers in the last round of the super 8s and the sky hasn't fallen in there." What about the 6 or 8 teams towards the bottom of the tier 2 league, or are we only considering the top league here? You could structure it so every team has something to play for in the last weeks, but that generally means the league itself is largely meaningless. All lengthy league formats also give a clear advantage to bigger population counties as they will inevitably have more strength in depth. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2484 - 03/11/2020 13:59:14 2304821 Link
Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "Sligo have 7 positive cases, so far, please suspend this years championship, its a joke" Please leave the championship threads to the rest of us if you are not interested Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 03/11/2020 14:05:50 2304827 Link
Replying To Soma: "What about the 6 or 8 teams towards the bottom of the tier 2 league, or are we only considering the top league here? You could structure it so every team has something to play for in the last weeks, but that generally means the league itself is largely meaningless. All lengthy league formats also give a clear advantage to bigger population counties as they will inevitably have more strength in depth." The bottom league is tricky. I think you can have something where the top 6 are in line for the tier 2 championship and a further 4 proceed still to the promotion playoffs. I agree the bottom tier is tougher but I mean there are challenges already at that level, with teams kind of playing their main competition right at the start of the year and then have a couple of games where they're out of their depth anyway. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 03/11/2020 14:41:54 2304846 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "The current format drags on for too long as well. Super 8s are not popular and will be scrapped. The League is fine as it is. Short and provides enough games for teams to figure out where they are. I like knockout football and I don't want Donegal to play a 13 round league. I just want the GAA to separate the provincials and create a 2 tier championship. My preferred format would be double elimination or groups of 4 followed by knockout rounds." Ok fair enough, that sort of system I'd be happy with too. It'd be a big improvement. I guess it does just mean that there are fewer matches between the big teams in the main competition. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 03/11/2020 14:44:12 2304848 Link
Replying To Breezy: "Please leave the championship threads to the rest of us if you are not interested" Fair play Breezy, its a knockout competition, Expect Mayo and Limerick to want to see it through lol maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1042 - 03/11/2020 18:16:35 2304915 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Ok fair enough, that sort of system I'd be happy with too. It'd be a big improvement. I guess it does just mean that there are fewer matches between the big teams in the main competition." As a compromise. Perhaps reducing the League to 3 divisions of 10, 11, and 11. That would give each county 9 or 10 games. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 03/11/2020 20:15:28 2304942 Link
Replying To Rolo2010: "As a compromise. Perhaps reducing the League to 3 divisions of 10, 11, and 11. That would give each county 9 or 10 games." Yeah something like that would definitely be interesting too. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 04/11/2020 12:40:06 2305089 Link
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1104/1175994-gaa-plans-to-retain-provinces-in-new-football-format/ Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 04/11/2020 19:10:20 2305184 Link
Replying To Fionn: "https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1104/1175994-gaa-plans-to-retain-provinces-in-new-football-format/" I'm not suprised but that really is a bad proposal. So Antrim will likely be playing Connacht. At least teams will get more games. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 04/11/2020 20:02:25 2305198 Link
The League format is even worse. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 04/11/2020 20:10:27 2305199 Link
Those proposals are both ***. Whammo86 (Antrim)** - Posts: 3111 - 05/11/2020 11:25:11 2305278 Link
Not overly impressed with either of those options. Why are we gone so obsessed with changing football these days anyway, both the championship structure and rule changes? I understand things change and evolve over time but sometimes keeping things simple is best. It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery! I think there's too many people out there inventing problems and creating solutions to suit themselves. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 05/11/2020 13:18:27 2305306 Link
Replying To Htaem: "Not overly impressed with either of those options. Why are we gone so obsessed with changing football these days anyway, both the championship structure and rule changes? I understand things change and evolve over time but sometimes keeping things simple is best. It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery! I think there's too many people out there inventing problems and creating solutions to suit themselves." *"It's not like gaelic football is on it's knees dying and needs emergency surgery!"* Fancy your chances of winning Leinster this year? Or next? Or the one after that. . . ? People want change because the system is unfair, regardless of how many of us love watching the sport. The best teams will generally always end up at the business end of the championship, but a level playing field is the least all counties should expect given the commitment demanded of their players, management and county board structures. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4135 - 05/11/2020 13:30:19 2305314 Link