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Replying To tirchonaill92: "https://youtu.be/ko4K2h861yM
The reason he is lying on the ground holding his head is the cowardly punch from ;;;;;who makes no attempt to connect with the ball (20 seconds in in case you missed it).
No comparison but obviously the 2012 final is still a hard pill to swallow" At 20 seconds It shows murphy getting up but a Donegal player trying to get him to stay on the ground until he realises the game is over. Is that really sporting.
Every team is at it and fans may just as well admit it.
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Replying To Crinigan: "That's not true. Diving is an Ulster issue (along with numerous other unsavory elements) although likes of Cavan and Donegal I would say are generally more sporting in their approach.
I've never seen a Meath or Kildare player feign injury for example and very rarely will you see a Kerry or Dublin player dive and feign injury in such a fashion." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Kerry would never be at such a thing. I really do laugh when Muppets like you say feigning injuries is a northern thing when every top team is at it.
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 244 - 03/11/2020 10:27:43
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Replying To Crinigan: "That's not true. Diving is an Ulster issue (along with numerous other unsavory elements) although likes of Cavan and Donegal I would say are generally more sporting in their approach.
I've never seen a Meath or Kildare player feign injury for example and very rarely will you see a Kerry or Dublin player dive and feign injury in such a fashion." So Meath and Kildare would never feign injury but Dublin and Kerry do it sometimes. Hard men round Meath alright, pity there wasn't more of yours about in 1690.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 03/11/2020 10:52:10
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Replying To kevin03: "At 20 seconds It shows murphy getting up but a Donegal player trying to get him to stay on the ground until he realises the game is over. Is that really sporting.
Every team is at it and fans may just as well admit it." Clutching at straws there if you think that's what happened
While I agree every team is at it that is not a great example
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Replying To tirchonaill92: "https://youtu.be/ko4K2h861yM
The reason he is lying on the ground holding his head is the cowardly punch from ;;;;;who makes no attempt to connect with the ball (20 seconds in in case you missed it).
No comparison but obviously the 2012 final is still a hard pill to swallow" He is rolling about on the ground holding his face until he hears the final whistle, then he jumps up and runs away celebrating. He isn't the first player to do it but the suggestion that he plays the game in some pure manner like the original post suggested is fairly wild.
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Replying To kevin03: "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuU3EdJ1NQ
Kerry would never be at such a thing. I really do laugh when Muppets like you say feigning injuries is a northern thing when every top team is at it." I said very rarely for Kerry. Not my fault if you can't actually read.
Your county has a universally shocking reputation, from your players to your fans. Time ye did something about it.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 03/11/2020 12:17:19
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Replying To Saynothing: "So Meath and Kildare would never feign injury but Dublin and Kerry do it sometimes. Hard men round Meath alright, pity there wasn't more of yours about in 1690." There are hard men in Meath it's true. I recall 1996 when a gang of teenagers physically dominated the best of your county. Rather than take your beating like men you continue to moan about it 24 years later.
Personal insults, spitting, diving, horrible cynical football, sectarian attitude of your supporters who make every ground they visit toxic, no class from players on and off the pitch.... very few people disappointed Tyrone are out of the championship. Like the Republic itself, it's all the richer for your absence.
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It pains me to say it but Donegal where the better team. Donegal have managed to integrate a good few young lads over the past few years and its bearing fruit now, Tyrone need to do the same.
There is a few Tyrone players hanging on by a thread i think. Our half back line on Sunday was probably one of the worst we have had in years. McCann is past it, O'Neill is average club player, McKernan cant defend worth a damn and isnt good enough going forward to merit his place. Rory Brennan was no doubt a big loss in that line, even Hampsey would have been a better option.
On a positive it was great to see McKenna send Morgan back to his goals for right sided frees. Hopefully that's the end of Morgan coming up for them, we now for the first time look to have a leader who has the nerve to stand up and take charge in those situations.
TakeyourPoint. (Tyrone) - Posts: 132 - 03/11/2020 12:57:40
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Replying To Crinigan: "There are hard men in Meath it's true. I recall 1996 when a gang of teenagers physically dominated the best of your county. Rather than take your beating like men you continue to moan about it 24 years later.
Personal insults, spitting, diving, horrible cynical football, sectarian attitude of your supporters who make every ground they visit toxic, no class from players on and off the pitch.... very few people disappointed Tyrone are out of the championship. Like the Republic itself, it's all the richer for your absence." You sound angry, that wee boy on his white horse got right up your nose, bless. Relax yourself, very few in Tyrone too worried about it. You didn't mention cheating, or is that only Meath and king Joe? Only for a Tyrone man you would have lost that day too.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 03/11/2020 12:57:53
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Replying To Saynothing: "You sound angry, that wee boy on his white horse got right up your nose, bless. Relax yourself, very few in Tyrone too worried about it. You didn't mention cheating, or is that only Meath and king Joe? Only for a Tyrone man you would have lost that day too." Now that is funny, listen boys the games over, on another day it could have went the other way and Tyrone would now be favs for Ulster, that victory has done our young lads a power of good though, they are growing into a real serious team, Sam could be back in the hills again soon enough.
Tyrone would do better without Mickey Harte but I suppose from our point of view the longer Mickey stays on the better, Donegal and Tyrone will continue to dispute Ulster for the next few years, looks like Monaghan need to rebuild and the Armagh Down and Derry are still a way off challenging for Ulster and All Ireland's again for a while,
think Armagh are a coming team though, div 1 will help them lift the standard.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 03/11/2020 13:13:53
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Now that is funny, listen boys the games over, on another day it could have went the other way and Tyrone would now be favs for Ulster, that victory has done our young lads a power of good though, they are growing into a real serious team, Sam could be back in the hills again soon enough.
Tyrone would do better without Mickey Harte but I suppose from our point of view the longer Mickey stays on the better, Donegal and Tyrone will continue to dispute Ulster for the next few years, looks like Monaghan need to rebuild and the Armagh Down and Derry are still a way off challenging for Ulster and All Ireland's again for a while,
think Armagh are a coming team though, div 1 will help them lift the standard." Said from start, hope it's an Ulster winner.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 03/11/2020 14:14:39
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Among all the b/s about diving and play acting and which teams do or don't do it (they all do to one extent or the other) and how McKernan should or shouldn't of reacted to the "slap" and while most agree Brennan was silly to do it in the first place there hasn't been much discussion on why he felt the need to do it. Its all part of the sledging and verbals that is all too common a part of the modern game. McKernan hit a poor wide and Brennan felt the need to tell him hoping no doubt he might draw a different reaction to the one he got. Brennan certainly isn't alone in this - at times it laughable to see a defender who has just been skinned by a forward goad the forward for the miss - but it this case that is being discussed on this thread. Did the offence warrant a red card, nah probably not but does this type of behaviour fall under the black card bracket? Maybe not this time as does the black card provide for punishment for verbal abuse of an opponent only? But its something I'd like to see refs act on. Someone asked earlier what should the likes of McKernan do when goaded after a miss, I saw plenty willing to say what he should do but I don't think anyone answered what he or the next man like him should do.
I know I will be accused of hypocrisy as Tyrone are certainly "as good" as anyone where verbals are concerned but where I'm from shouldn't be relevant to what I am saying but I'm getting fed up with all the verbals in the modern game. With the crowds absent just listen to the opposition players shouting on kickouts nowadays trying to put the goalie off, (I thought Donegal were particularly strong on this in the league meeting two weeks ago v Tyrone where it definitely appeared to be a tactic they had all bought into). The constant roaring "too long" both trying to rush the goalie into a mistake and trying to influence the ref into throwing the ball up even though the goalie normally has the ball back in play now quicker than the goalie had stopped cursing at his defence and even started looking for a ball 10 years ago.
And as a by the way......Murphy, a colossus, legend of the game, great leader but he definitely likes to try and ref the game as well. But with his standing in the game he probably knows he'll get away with it, you see it in a lot of sports like soccer & even rugby where the ref appears to be somewhat in awe of these legends and tolerates them in his ear all the time whereas the first minion to speak to him receives a card or has the ball moved forward.
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 498 - 03/11/2020 14:21:46
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Replying To benched: "Among all the b/s about diving and play acting and which teams do or don't do it (they all do to one extent or the other) and how McKernan should or shouldn't of reacted to the "slap" and while most agree Brennan was silly to do it in the first place there hasn't been much discussion on why he felt the need to do it. Its all part of the sledging and verbals that is all too common a part of the modern game. McKernan hit a poor wide and Brennan felt the need to tell him hoping no doubt he might draw a different reaction to the one he got. Brennan certainly isn't alone in this - at times it laughable to see a defender who has just been skinned by a forward goad the forward for the miss - but it this case that is being discussed on this thread. Did the offence warrant a red card, nah probably not but does this type of behaviour fall under the black card bracket? Maybe not this time as does the black card provide for punishment for verbal abuse of an opponent only? But its something I'd like to see refs act on. Someone asked earlier what should the likes of McKernan do when goaded after a miss, I saw plenty willing to say what he should do but I don't think anyone answered what he or the next man like him should do.
I know I will be accused of hypocrisy as Tyrone are certainly "as good" as anyone where verbals are concerned but where I'm from shouldn't be relevant to what I am saying but I'm getting fed up with all the verbals in the modern game. With the crowds absent just listen to the opposition players shouting on kickouts nowadays trying to put the goalie off, (I thought Donegal were particularly strong on this in the league meeting two weeks ago v Tyrone where it definitely appeared to be a tactic they had all bought into). The constant roaring "too long" both trying to rush the goalie into a mistake and trying to influence the ref into throwing the ball up even though the goalie normally has the ball back in play now quicker than the goalie had stopped cursing at his defence and even started looking for a ball 10 years ago.
And as a by the way......Murphy, a colossus, legend of the game, great leader but he definitely likes to try and ref the game as well. But with his standing in the game he probably knows he'll get away with it, you see it in a lot of sports like soccer & even rugby where the ref appears to be somewhat in awe of these legends and tolerates them in his ear all the time whereas the first minion to speak to him receives a card or has the ball moved forward." Mc Manus goad Cavan keeper after goal, keeper retaliated but just missed. Who do you blame? My guess Mc Manus.
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Replying To benched: "Among all the b/s about diving and play acting and which teams do or don't do it (they all do to one extent or the other) and how McKernan should or shouldn't of reacted to the "slap" and while most agree Brennan was silly to do it in the first place there hasn't been much discussion on why he felt the need to do it. Its all part of the sledging and verbals that is all too common a part of the modern game. McKernan hit a poor wide and Brennan felt the need to tell him hoping no doubt he might draw a different reaction to the one he got. Brennan certainly isn't alone in this - at times it laughable to see a defender who has just been skinned by a forward goad the forward for the miss - but it this case that is being discussed on this thread. Did the offence warrant a red card, nah probably not but does this type of behaviour fall under the black card bracket? Maybe not this time as does the black card provide for punishment for verbal abuse of an opponent only? But its something I'd like to see refs act on. Someone asked earlier what should the likes of McKernan do when goaded after a miss, I saw plenty willing to say what he should do but I don't think anyone answered what he or the next man like him should do.
I know I will be accused of hypocrisy as Tyrone are certainly "as good" as anyone where verbals are concerned but where I'm from shouldn't be relevant to what I am saying but I'm getting fed up with all the verbals in the modern game. With the crowds absent just listen to the opposition players shouting on kickouts nowadays trying to put the goalie off, (I thought Donegal were particularly strong on this in the league meeting two weeks ago v Tyrone where it definitely appeared to be a tactic they had all bought into). The constant roaring "too long" both trying to rush the goalie into a mistake and trying to influence the ref into throwing the ball up even though the goalie normally has the ball back in play now quicker than the goalie had stopped cursing at his defence and even started looking for a ball 10 years ago.
And as a by the way......Murphy, a colossus, legend of the game, great leader but he definitely likes to try and ref the game as well. But with his standing in the game he probably knows he'll get away with it, you see it in a lot of sports like soccer & even rugby where the ref appears to be somewhat in awe of these legends and tolerates them in his ear all the time whereas the first minion to speak to him receives a card or has the ball moved forward." Goading is a very disappointing part of the game..I cringe when I look back on some of the antics from some of the Dubs back in the noughties..in relation to the mckernan incident brennan should have saw red once you lift your hand you are running the risk so he was very lucky. McKernan has form I have been watching him for a while he is no saint he is always goading players.
What a about McManus from Monaghan taunting/ goading the cavan keeper after his goal...not much said about that...I suppose Galligan had the last laugh with that superb free at the end considering some of the very poor wides McManus kicked when the pressure came on.
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Replying To cacsmckilly: "Could you really see either of them winning all Ireland's in next few years? They're average at best. They are closely matched but not outstanding teams. Be awhile till Ulster brings home Sam." I can see us winning An All Ireland yes. Maybe not this year but we are working towards it. If we are average I don't know where that leaves other teams. Speak for your own ; )
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 895 - 03/11/2020 15:26:02
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Replying To Crinigan: "That's not true. Diving is an Ulster issue (along with numerous other unsavory elements) although likes of Cavan and Donegal I would say are generally more sporting in their approach.
I've never seen a Meath or Kildare player feign injury for example and very rarely will you see a Kerry or Dublin player dive and feign injury in such a fashion." No, it's just the odd biting accusation from Dublin. Not to mention the carry on out of John Small from time to time.
Exhibit A, deliberately instigating an altercation with Murphy in the league game back in February from Donegal had momentum and chasing an equalizing point.
But look, I'm in danger of going down the whataboutery route here myself.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7075 - 03/11/2020 15:28:56
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Replying To Lockjaw: "No, it's just the odd biting accusation from Dublin. Not to mention the carry on out of John Small from time to time.
Exhibit A, deliberately instigating an altercation with Murphy in the league game back in February from Donegal had momentum and chasing an equalizing point.
But look, I'm in danger of going down the whataboutery route here myself." Cheating s a bigger problem, any wonder Louth were angry, no sportsmanship. Ulster team would have been slated for years but don't mention it. Nice to have it in brackets beside your 1 title in 20 years. No points for guessing the team in question.
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Replying To benched: "Among all the b/s about diving and play acting and which teams do or don't do it (they all do to one extent or the other) and how McKernan should or shouldn't of reacted to the "slap" and while most agree Brennan was silly to do it in the first place there hasn't been much discussion on why he felt the need to do it. Its all part of the sledging and verbals that is all too common a part of the modern game. McKernan hit a poor wide and Brennan felt the need to tell him hoping no doubt he might draw a different reaction to the one he got. Brennan certainly isn't alone in this - at times it laughable to see a defender who has just been skinned by a forward goad the forward for the miss - but it this case that is being discussed on this thread. Did the offence warrant a red card, nah probably not but does this type of behaviour fall under the black card bracket? Maybe not this time as does the black card provide for punishment for verbal abuse of an opponent only? But its something I'd like to see refs act on. Someone asked earlier what should the likes of McKernan do when goaded after a miss, I saw plenty willing to say what he should do but I don't think anyone answered what he or the next man like him should do.
I know I will be accused of hypocrisy as Tyrone are certainly "as good" as anyone where verbals are concerned but where I'm from shouldn't be relevant to what I am saying but I'm getting fed up with all the verbals in the modern game. With the crowds absent just listen to the opposition players shouting on kickouts nowadays trying to put the goalie off, (I thought Donegal were particularly strong on this in the league meeting two weeks ago v Tyrone where it definitely appeared to be a tactic they had all bought into). The constant roaring "too long" both trying to rush the goalie into a mistake and trying to influence the ref into throwing the ball up even though the goalie normally has the ball back in play now quicker than the goalie had stopped cursing at his defence and even started looking for a ball 10 years ago.
And as a by the way......Murphy, a colossus, legend of the game, great leader but he definitely likes to try and ref the game as well. But with his standing in the game he probably knows he'll get away with it, you see it in a lot of sports like soccer & even rugby where the ref appears to be somewhat in awe of these legends and tolerates them in his ear all the time whereas the first minion to speak to him receives a card or has the ball moved forward." That's one thing I noticed in the league game and the recent game. Donegal shouting when Morgan was taking a kick out or during frees. Really hate it when people do that.
It's clearly a rehearsed tactic by Donegal but without the fans to drown it out it puts them in a bad light.
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Did Darragh Canavan switch the ball from his right to his left hand without playing it when scoring the goal?
greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 305 - 03/11/2020 17:35:33
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