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Dublin V Kilkenny Leinster Semi Final

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Kilkenny will win nothing this year, forget about the taking the foot off the pedal, that can be corrected with the correct mindset, but the shocking delivery of ball that has being going on for years now is seemingly engrained in the team now and won't change

Dublin are very poor and I'm glad they didn't snatch it since IMO it's good that teams that continuously use the tactic of tripping goal bound players using their hurls are not rewarded for it

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 159 - 01/11/2020 15:49:45    2303883

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""KK nowhere near Tipp or Limerick imo"

You could be right. But Tipp have yet to play. This was Kilkenny's first game; they will surely learn and come on from this, as will Dublin. It's a strange Championship this year. I think any of 6 or 7 teams could win. And. Dublin will have a second bite at the cherry."
Teams will be up and down. I would nt write off KK or Cork yet. Every game is different. At mó everyone talking about Limerick but things change very quickly. Remember last year Tipp were ridiculed after the beating they got from Limerick but a few weeks later Tipp are All ireland Champs.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 01/11/2020 15:50:45    2303884

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Teams will be up and down. I would nt write off KK or Cork yet. Every game is different. At mó everyone talking about Limerick but things change very quickly. Remember last year Tipp were ridiculed after the beating they got from Limerick but a few weeks later Tipp are All ireland Champs."
Going through the backdoor and playing several games in a few weeks during winter conditions will be a disadvantage.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 01/11/2020 17:08:05    2303949

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Going through the backdoor and playing several games in a few weeks during winter conditions will be a disadvantage."
I don't agree. I think games are better than training and regardless of conditions teams will improve.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 01/11/2020 18:22:46    2303998

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Kilkenny will win nothing this year, forget about the taking the foot off the pedal, that can be corrected with the correct mindset, but the shocking delivery of ball that has being going on for years now is seemingly engrained in the team now and won't change

Dublin are very poor and I'm glad they didn't snatch it since IMO it's good that teams that continuously use the tactic of tripping goal bound players using their hurls are not rewarded for it"
Dublin were poor alright and didn't deserve it but ya,Kk wouldn't engage in anything like that or throwing a stick sure.
Lovely lads altogether. Don't be talking sh1te now if you're going to be posting.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 01/11/2020 18:23:27    2304000

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Replying To catch22:  "Dublin were poor alright and didn't deserve it but ya,Kk wouldn't engage in anything like that or throwing a stick sure.
Lovely lads altogether. Don't be talking sh1te now if you're going to be posting."
Two games in a row now a Dublin has cynically tried to trip players in on goal using their hurls, something rarely seen in the game before. not nice to see. I'll let the forum mod decide what i can and cannot post, not you.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 159 - 01/11/2020 19:23:25    2304041

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Kilkenny will win nothing this year, forget about the taking the foot off the pedal, that can be corrected with the correct mindset, but the shocking delivery of ball that has being going on for years now is seemingly engrained in the team now and won't change

Dublin are very poor and I'm glad they didn't snatch it since IMO it's good that teams that continuously use the tactic of tripping goal bound players using their hurls are not rewarded for it"
Kilkenny aren't great but they still have Cody. He will get the best out of them. I bet you were saying the same thing before they played Limerick last year. As far as fouling our lads gave nothing soft over the glory years. They were constantly playing on the Edge as it was called. A few hard nights of training for Kilkenny over the next couple of weeks. I would say the Boss isn't happy.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 183 - 01/11/2020 19:47:11    2304053

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Two games in a row now a Dublin has cynically tried to trip players in on goal using their hurls, something rarely seen in the game before. not nice to see. I'll let the forum mod decide what i can and cannot post, not you."
Cynical ? And you posting about other counties.
Jays above, you must be a WUM.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 01/11/2020 20:08:00    2304068

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Replying To catch22:  "Cynical ? And you posting about other counties.
Jays above, you must be a WUM."
Is that all you've got?

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 159 - 01/11/2020 20:47:39    2304108

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The problem with the Kilkenny full back line since the retirements of JJ Delaney and Jackie Tyrell is not going away. Dublin scored 2-22, I shudder to think what Galway, Limerick or Tipp would do to them. Probably better to find out now I guess.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1112 - 02/11/2020 09:54:25    2304256

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Is that all you've got?"
Well, that says it all about what you have to offer.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 02/11/2020 10:26:41    2304271

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Replying To catch22:  "Well, that says it all about what you have to offer."
You didn't like me pointing out that Dublin players have tried to trip players in on goal with their hurls in both of their games so far so resorted to calling me a WUM. Have you nothing else? Can you debate a point ?

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 159 - 02/11/2020 10:56:48    2304295

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Ah yeah I think Kilkenny showed against Limerick last year that they have a puncher's chance against anyone.

I was perhaps a little premature with my comment yesterday but I do think Limerick and Tipp are the two top teams."
I wouldn't argue with you MesAmis, I think Limerick are way out in front with a chasing pack then of all the rest, although you'd probably put Galway and Tipperary as the best of the chasing pack. Anyway we should have a much better idea of where we are are after the Leinster Final, if Galway can comfortably beat Kilkenny, then would have to be considered a primary challenger to Limerick. Interesting few weeks ahead.

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 102 - 02/11/2020 10:59:18    2304297

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Replying To gatha:  "Kilkenny aren't great but they still have Cody. He will get the best out of them. I bet you were saying the same thing before they played Limerick last year. As far as fouling our lads gave nothing soft over the glory years. They were constantly playing on the Edge as it was called. A few hard nights of training for Kilkenny over the next couple of weeks. I would say the Boss isn't happy."
Last year before the Limerick match most people were saying something very similar to what did happen in the first half.

Cody's great but he doesn't have the same quality of players now so unless he can mark Canning himself I don't really see what he can do.
All I keep hearing is the same auld cliche crack the whip stuff which isn't enough

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 02/11/2020 11:14:39    2304307

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "You didn't like me pointing out that Dublin players have tried to trip players in on goal with their hurls in both of their games so far so resorted to calling me a WUM. Have you nothing else? Can you debate a point ?"
You can hardly complain about a poster debating a point when you look at your last offering. No debate , just silly response.
I don't particularly mind a comment in relation to cynical fouling by whatever county but let's not ignore Kk if you want talk about cynicism. They employ just as much cynicism and are as good as anyone at it.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 02/11/2020 12:32:09    2304369

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Replying To catch22:  "You can hardly complain about a poster debating a point when you look at your last offering. No debate , just silly response.
I don't particularly mind a comment in relation to cynical fouling by whatever county but let's not ignore Kk if you want talk about cynicism. They employ just as much cynicism and are as good as anyone at it."
Jesus.., what is my "last offering" that you are referring to, are you being deliberately obtuse ? I made the initial point about Dublin's cynical tripping and you've been crying and name calling since, hence I asked you to address the point.

Of course all top teams in hurling, including Kilkenny, are cynical, why wouldn't they be when there isn't adequate punishment in the rules for it. it's a scourge on the game. We saw some of the worst examples of it in the KK - Galway game last year from both teams, dragging down players before the got into the penalty area, but my point was Dublin have taken the blatancy of it to another level, by attempting to trip players that have beaten them using the hurl (and also foot now that I recall Paddy Smyth vs Liam Blanchfield) This use of the hurl to trip is rarely seen, I can only recall one other example (forgive another KK example) on Richie Power in the 2014 LK - KK semi final in the rain in Croke Park by Donal O'Grady.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 159 - 02/11/2020 13:26:10    2304399

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Jesus.., what is my "last offering" that you are referring to, are you being deliberately obtuse ? I made the initial point about Dublin's cynical tripping and you've been crying and name calling since, hence I asked you to address the point.

Of course all top teams in hurling, including Kilkenny, are cynical, why wouldn't they be when there isn't adequate punishment in the rules for it. it's a scourge on the game. We saw some of the worst examples of it in the KK - Galway game last year from both teams, dragging down players before the got into the penalty area, but my point was Dublin have taken the blatancy of it to another level, by attempting to trip players that have beaten them using the hurl (and also foot now that I recall Paddy Smyth vs Liam Blanchfield) This use of the hurl to trip is rarely seen, I can only recall one other example (forgive another KK example) on Richie Power in the 2014 LK - KK semi final in the rain in Croke Park by Donal O'Grady."
Utter drivel. I've seen it many times. A Laois player done the exact thing your referring to in the first half of the Dublin game last week

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1922 - 02/11/2020 14:36:39    2304435

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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "Utter drivel. I've seen it many times. A Laois player done the exact thing your referring to in the first half of the Dublin game last week"
So your one example makes my post utter drivel? Any more examples to share that show that I am wrong in saying that tripping players using the hurl is rare ? The fact that Dublin players have tried it in each of the champ ship games this year is undisputable

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 159 - 02/11/2020 15:02:55    2304443

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Jesus.., what is my "last offering" that you are referring to, are you being deliberately obtuse ? I made the initial point about Dublin's cynical tripping and you've been crying and name calling since, hence I asked you to address the point.

Of course all top teams in hurling, including Kilkenny, are cynical, why wouldn't they be when there isn't adequate punishment in the rules for it. it's a scourge on the game. We saw some of the worst examples of it in the KK - Galway game last year from both teams, dragging down players before the got into the penalty area, but my point was Dublin have taken the blatancy of it to another level, by attempting to trip players that have beaten them using the hurl (and also foot now that I recall Paddy Smyth vs Liam Blanchfield) This use of the hurl to trip is rarely seen, I can only recall one other example (forgive another KK example) on Richie Power in the 2014 LK - KK semi final in the rain in Croke Park by Donal O'Grady."
Jesus I am not but if you read your own posts you can probably have a stab at which one line reply I'm referring to, or maybe not.
Yes , all counties do it but if you are trying to suggest this is a new level then that's just daft.
I recall Tennyson throwing his hurl at Lar Corbett back in 2010 for one example of taking things to a new level if you like. As you admit there are plenty more examples as Kk are just as guilty of cynicism.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 02/11/2020 15:52:18    2304470

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Its laughable that this KK lad is trying to suggest that Dublin have invented a new level of cynicism.
He probably made his mind up when watching The Sunday Game last week as they spent a few mins highlighting Danny Sutcliffe's trip with the hurl, all the while completely ignoring a carbon copy incident involving a Laois player in the same match.

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1922 - 02/11/2020 16:02:30    2304475

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