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I dont understand how any gael couldnt be excited by the coming weekends action.
If you want to whinge about covid there are other forums for that
We have 2 knockout semis in munster hurling where 'Tipp v Limerick' will go a long way to deciding the eventual all ireland winner.
Then in Ulster football there are 3 cracking ties in store...
I must say i had lost interest in Tyrone the last few years under harte, there was no excitement in their play and he seemed to have ostracised all his classy inside forwards. However now i am excited to see them again, the addition of Darragh Canavan and Conor McKenna opens up a host of possibilities.
As a neutral i am ridiculously excited about conor mckenna in particular, i cant recall seeing a player arrive with such an instant impact and he will only get better.
I still think Donegal will win it but should be a cracker and will be exciting seeing one of the big guns gone on day 1
Similarly i think monaghan v cavan will be worth a watch, cavan are in atrocious form but this is a derby, there is always very little between the 2 teams so will be closer than people expect.
Im looking forward to a weekend in front of the tv for it all
HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 77 - 28/10/2020 11:00:13
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Replying To jimbodub: "Ah I just said that to wind yiz up ;)
It worked. You're still on about it
It was a fact that Dublin had gone that bit further than Kerry did by at least drawing the game
Jeezee you really left that one behind boy, Deano swinging that over will always be a treasured memory for us Dubs. All those turn overs while being down a man... :)
Just made it all so much more sweeter when we eventually comfortably got the job done
But nah.. I wouldn't be counting this as a 6 in a row at all.. a 5.25 would be far more fitting and I won't be shifting from that
It's ridiculous it's even going ahead" You're always on the wind up jimbo that's why you have multiple accounts on here and that's why il take all your posts with a pinch of salt.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 28/10/2020 11:09:40
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Replying To greysoil: "Noticing a theme by some posters of playing down any potential success or achievement this year. You know who you are. I think that rhetoric is disrespectful to the (mostly) amateur teams who have had limited opportunity to train together & remain willing to put themselves at risk to provide some entertainment & distraction for us in these difficult times. I would challenge you detractors that any team achieving silverware this year thoroughly deserve it so could I ask that you stop your disparaging remarks, enjoy what we have of the championship & be grateful to the teams who are prepared to wear their county jerseys this year.
Or perhaps it is a case of excuses being put out there early" Its an attempt to downplay the likely occurrence of a 6 in a row which will lay bare the shambles inter-county football has become to one and all, even last year they could still shelter somewhat behind the historic nature of the achievement. A lot of hard questions were asked but not nearly enough.
The knives, well sharpened, will be out in force if the 6 in a row occurs and the Dubs on here seem petrified by the prospect, hence the downplaying of their chances and the pas dérangé air they are trying to project.
They know it will only further highlight how their dominance was aided by outside factors over the past decade and serve to further discredit what has been allowed to go on for far too long.
Who knows in a new Covid world it might finally force the GAA to seriously consider the idea of central control of inter-county budgets, shared commercial deals etc to even the playing field once again.
Oh if only the red thumbs were still here, this could get close to 20!
TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5828 - 28/10/2020 11:25:28
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Replying To TheHermit: "Its an attempt to downplay the likely occurrence of a 6 in a row which will lay bare the shambles inter-county football has become to one and all, even last year they could still shelter somewhat behind the historic nature of the achievement. A lot of hard questions were asked but not nearly enough.
The knives, well sharpened, will be out in force if the 6 in a row occurs and the Dubs on here seem petrified by the prospect, hence the downplaying of their chances and the pas dérangé air they are trying to project.
They know it will only further highlight how their dominance was aided by outside factors over the past decade and serve to further discredit what has been allowed to go on for far too long.
Who knows in a new Covid world it might finally force the GAA to seriously consider the idea of central control of inter-county budgets, shared commercial deals etc to even the playing field once again.
Oh if only the red thumbs were still here, this could get close to 20!" 5INAROW;)
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1922 - 28/10/2020 11:39:48
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Replying To ConnollyDub: " Replying To TheHermit: "Its an attempt to downplay the likely occurrence of a 6 in a row which will lay bare the shambles inter-county football has become to one and all, even last year they could still shelter somewhat behind the historic nature of the achievement. A lot of hard questions were asked but not nearly enough.
The knives, well sharpened, will be out in force if the 6 in a row occurs and the Dubs on here seem petrified by the prospect, hence the downplaying of their chances and the pas dérangé air they are trying to project.
They know it will only further highlight how their dominance was aided by outside factors over the past decade and serve to further discredit what has been allowed to go on for far too long.
Who knows in a new Covid world it might finally force the GAA to seriously consider the idea of central control of inter-county budgets, shared commercial deals etc to even the playing field once again.
Oh if only the red thumbs were still here, this could get close to 20!" 5INAROW;)"
greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 830 - 28/10/2020 11:55:42
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Replying To ConnollyDub: " Replying To TheHermit: "Its an attempt to downplay the likely occurrence of a 6 in a row which will lay bare the shambles inter-county football has become to one and all, even last year they could still shelter somewhat behind the historic nature of the achievement. A lot of hard questions were asked but not nearly enough.
The knives, well sharpened, will be out in force if the 6 in a row occurs and the Dubs on here seem petrified by the prospect, hence the downplaying of their chances and the pas dérangé air they are trying to project.
They know it will only further highlight how their dominance was aided by outside factors over the past decade and serve to further discredit what has been allowed to go on for far too long.
Who knows in a new Covid world it might finally force the GAA to seriously consider the idea of central control of inter-county budgets, shared commercial deals etc to even the playing field once again.
Oh if only the red thumbs were still here, this could get close to 20!" 5INAROW;)"
;o)
Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 28/10/2020 12:48:10
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Ill shake any ones hand who wins it and congratulate, but anyone who thinks this years championship is comparable with a 9/10 game all Ireland any other year is codding themselves. What is it 35% odd of the games. Ill feel that way even in Dublin win it.
For some counties its four games to win an All Ireland for others its five. The provinces are inequitable Leinster and Munster aren't in the same stratosphere of competitiveness as Connacht or Ulster in my opinion. Given that structure in addition to the above, i'm not taking this championship to seriously or significantly, bar looking forward to a bit of ball and games.
I always love reading reading posts on here, there is some interesting points of view on equity and equality, I think some people think they are one in the same. Very interesting concepts when applied to the GAA, fairness could certainly be improved in my opinion. I think it takes away from this years championship to be honest.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 28/10/2020 14:21:27
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Replying To TheUsername: "Ill shake any ones hand who wins it and congratulate, but anyone who thinks this years championship is comparable with a 9/10 game all Ireland any other year is codding themselves. What is it 35% odd of the games. Ill feel that way even in Dublin win it.
For some counties its four games to win an All Ireland for others its five. The provinces are inequitable Leinster and Munster aren't in the same stratosphere of competitiveness as Connacht or Ulster in my opinion. Given that structure in addition to the above, i'm not taking this championship to seriously or significantly, bar looking forward to a bit of ball and games.
I always love reading reading posts on here, there is some interesting points of view on equity and equality, I think some people think they are one in the same. Very interesting concepts when applied to the GAA, fairness could certainly be improved in my opinion. I think it takes away from this years championship to be honest." You say compared to "any other year" bit you do realise that the backdoor is a new thing don't you?
Or are you discrediting almost 100yrs of AI titles
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 28/10/2020 14:46:05
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The championship returns! It will be on the TV in my house, I will dip in and out, certain counties I just can't look at and I won't look at, so nothing has changed. But I cannot say I have a great hunger to watch it as I normally would. However the world outside the GAA has changed and we cannot avoid it. Counties, especially smaller counties with smaller panels need to be considered more. If players are say in isolation matches, should be deferred. Similarly flexibility with venues, starting times etc as players travelling alone in darkness in poor weather over winter. This unfortunately can't happen with TV featured games so we will probably see more of this as we go further into championship. The hurling matches have been entertaining so far and the lack of crowds in both football and hurling has maybe leveled the playing field somewhat. The one problem for Inter-county GAA is the fact the players are amateurs, as in they work elsewhere. The fact these players are going back into the workforce on monday is a concern for the rest of society. Obviously it is an issue everyone is aware of, but the media are solely focussed on all things Covid. I hope the GAA don't make it easy for these people. Lets hope this championship goes off smoothly and it finishes that would be a real achievement.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4434 - 28/10/2020 15:03:54
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Lack of crowds definitely has had a huge impact on the entertainment level on TV last weekend. Interesting point made by on of the managers that it may suit the more free scoring teams. Galway and Limerick in particular in hurling run up big points totals. Tipp are probably the most free scoring in terms of goals. Will be interesting to see what happens this weekend.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2911 - 28/10/2020 16:13:53
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I for one am really looking forward to the action this weekend. Some mouth watering games with the pick of them Limk v Tipp and Donegal v Tyrone.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 28/10/2020 16:34:58
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Replying To TheUsername: "Ill shake any ones hand who wins it and congratulate, but anyone who thinks this years championship is comparable with a 9/10 game all Ireland any other year is codding themselves. What is it 35% odd of the games. Ill feel that way even in Dublin win it.
For some counties its four games to win an All Ireland for others its five. The provinces are inequitable Leinster and Munster aren't in the same stratosphere of competitiveness as Connacht or Ulster in my opinion. Given that structure in addition to the above, i'm not taking this championship to seriously or significantly, bar looking forward to a bit of ball and games.
I always love reading reading posts on here, there is some interesting points of view on equity and equality, I think some people think they are one in the same. Very interesting concepts when applied to the GAA, fairness could certainly be improved in my opinion. I think it takes away from this years championship to be honest." Sounds like your throwing in the towel already. Dubs still favourites, or are you saying it's not a real All Ireland ?
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 28/10/2020 16:41:40
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Replying To Breezy: "You say compared to "any other year" bit you do realise that the backdoor is a new thing don't you?
Or are you discrediting almost 100yrs of AI titles" They are nearly around almost 20 years at this stage. Discredit is your word and divisive.
I tend to think it is logical that playing 8-10 games to win an All Ireland, with a mix of exposure to all the provinces is harder and fairer then to win 3/4/5 games - absolutely whether it be modern or historical.
I'm not polarised really I'm really looking forward to the games. But if Dublin win, I don't think it equates to any of the previous 7 say.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 28/10/2020 16:47:44
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Replying To Saynothing: "Sounds like your throwing in the towel already. Dubs still favourites, or are you saying it's not a real All Ireland ?" I don't think we will win it this year is my honest opinion as the crow flies, thats my opinion regardless of the structure, im on record as being consistent in that.
I wouldn't be petty with anyone who wins it this year, id congratulate them and they are entitled to call themselves All Ireland championship, the structure of the championship isnt down to one counties doing. Do i think it equates to same achievement as previous years in terms of achievement. I dont really. I genuinely believe that, i think its just logical. There are fewer games, easier runs in some provinces and less exposure to teams from every province. I dont think it equates to the same achievement as previous years, id say that even if Dublin won, which i hope they do, but dont personally think they will.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 28/10/2020 17:08:03
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Replying To TheUsername: "I don't think we will win it this year is my honest opinion as the crow flies, thats my opinion regardless of the structure, im on record as being consistent in that.
I wouldn't be petty with anyone who wins it this year, id congratulate them and they are entitled to call themselves All Ireland championship, the structure of the championship isnt down to one counties doing. Do i think it equates to same achievement as previous years in terms of achievement. I dont really. I genuinely believe that, i think its just logical. There are fewer games, easier runs in some provinces and less exposure to teams from every province. I dont think it equates to the same achievement as previous years, id say that even if Dublin won, which i hope they do, but dont personally think they will." So it boils down to, Dublin could be caught on the hop in a one off match and you don't like it.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 28/10/2020 17:34:28
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Is the format this year not pretty much the same as it was pre 2001?
greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 830 - 28/10/2020 17:51:45
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Replying To TheUsername: "I don't think we will win it this year is my honest opinion as the crow flies, thats my opinion regardless of the structure, im on record as being consistent in that.
I wouldn't be petty with anyone who wins it this year, id congratulate them and they are entitled to call themselves All Ireland championship, the structure of the championship isnt down to one counties doing. Do i think it equates to same achievement as previous years in terms of achievement. I dont really. I genuinely believe that, i think its just logical. There are fewer games, easier runs in some provinces and less exposure to teams from every province. I dont think it equates to the same achievement as previous years, id say that even if Dublin won, which i hope they do, but dont personally think they will." Bit of an odd idea though in all honesty. Like any year really it comes down to the draw. If Tyrone or Donegal go on from our opening match to win the All-Ireland, it'll be as tough a route as any, assuming all the favourites win out the route for Tyrone/Donegal to an All-Ireland title will be:
Donegal/Tyrone > Armagh > Monaghan > Dublin > Kerry.
That's a fair battle to win Sam. Our own route in 2012 was Cavan > Derry > Tyrone > Down > Kerry > Cork > Mayo, the extra two games being the preliminary round and quarter-final.
If Mayo manage to go all the way, again assuming favourites win out, they'll have to beat:
Leitrim > Roscommon > Galway > Kerry > Donegal ;-)
I understand the general point that it's harder to win over more games but really, compared to years gone by the only difference is the loss of the quarter final for the likes of Dublin and Kerry. The Super 8s are relatively new and I'd question the "fairness" of them so far (unsurprisingly as a Donegal man).
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Replying To Saynothing: "So it boils down to, Dublin could be caught on the hop in a one off match and you don't like it." Not a bit, any team that beats Dublin will do it deservedly and best of luck to them if they do. You want to compete against the best, whether you win or loose.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 28/10/2020 18:24:34
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Replying To JoeSoap: "Bit of an odd idea though in all honesty. Like any year really it comes down to the draw. If Tyrone or Donegal go on from our opening match to win the All-Ireland, it'll be as tough a route as any, assuming all the favourites win out the route for Tyrone/Donegal to an All-Ireland title will be:
Donegal/Tyrone > Armagh > Monaghan > Dublin > Kerry.
That's a fair battle to win Sam. Our own route in 2012 was Cavan > Derry > Tyrone > Down > Kerry > Cork > Mayo, the extra two games being the preliminary round and quarter-final.
If Mayo manage to go all the way, again assuming favourites win out, they'll have to beat:
Leitrim > Roscommon > Galway > Kerry > Donegal ;-)
I understand the general point that it's harder to win over more games but really, compared to years gone by the only difference is the loss of the quarter final for the likes of Dublin and Kerry. The Super 8s are relatively new and I'd question the "fairness" of them so far (unsurprisingly as a Donegal man)." Id agree wholly. i think the championship structure unfairly favors Leinster and Munster in a normal year as opposed to Connacht and Munster - i think that unfair every year and increasingly more so this year. In a normal year you have to play a county from almost very province over 8-10 games, this year you dont and to it in some cases with 50% of games.
The championship is equitable most years. Its definitely not equitable this year and because there is about 30%-40% of the games to win this year then a normal, year it dictates its less harder to win it and those the achievement is less.
Its far harder for Connacht and ulster teams to win then Leinster or Munster. Its more an achievement for Donegal to win an All Ireland then Dublin this or most years - pushing an open door here.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 28/10/2020 18:31:05
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Replying To Saynothing: "So it boils down to, Dublin could be caught on the hop in a one off match and you don't like it." Mmmmm.....
Both yourselves and kerry won 2x All Ireland's each without winning your provincial championships - plastic Sam's ;o)
So if this year's rules applied then with one off matches, that would be 2 of your All Ireland's each gone....
The back door saved both your asses in those years....!
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