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Aye we're cynical at times the same as all other team and that's a fact, we definitely don't like it up us as you put it or maybe some do but that's their own business. Yes we think it's our god given right to win the allireland every year as thats our tradition and the way we've been brought up to think and personally I think it's a good way to be. As John B Keane once said a kerryman with an inferiority complex is a kerryman who thinks he's only as good as everyone else. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 14/10/2020 14:19:14 2297562 Link 1 |
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And there we have it....! Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 14/10/2020 15:30:07 2297587 Link 0 |
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Back to the question at hand. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 15/10/2020 17:02:57 2297831 Link 5 |
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When you look at GDF funding to head of population, both Monaghan and Leitrim are always top per head, counties that have small populations are looked after really well by the GAA financially pro rata. That said, per head is a bit crude when looking at GDF, you'd want to look at birth rates up to minor, in my opinion, don't think the GAA do to be honest. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 15/10/2020 20:41:32 2297881 Link 1 |
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Honesty is the best policy.....when there is money in it ? IssacBall (Derry) - Posts: 42 - 31/10/2020 12:12:33 2303290 Link 0 |
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Corrupt a bit ott, devalued perhaps.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 31/10/2020 13:48:33 2303310 Link 0 |
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In terms of individual players I guess success opens up employment/career opportunities especially when those players win their counties first All Ireland. I don't think money was as big a factor back in the 90's in terms of success. There was a very interestig radio interview with Martin McHugh during the week. He talked about having a cup of tea and a chat with a Kerry offical at a recent league game. Kerry now have full time strength and conditioning experts and their training facilities are reported to be as good if not better than some of the professional sports teams in England. When you read about Tyrone's centre of excellence, Roscommon's plans; money in Dublin GAA and the money generated from Mayo international supporters for example it shows there are now 5 or 6 super powers at the top of the GAA inter county scene. All the top counties generate enough money, have the full time personnel and facilities to compete against each other but the big problem which wasn't evident in the 90's is how the other break into that group. If a county like Derry unearth a squad of top quality players they probably won't have the finance to consistently compete with these superpower counties; in the 90's they could win national titles but it takes a lot more than good players these days sadly. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 707 - 31/10/2020 14:40:33 2303315 Link 0 |
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why are kerrymen SO bitter?
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1925 - 31/10/2020 16:04:37 2303392 Link 1 |
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Ah they're gas men, even the great Jim McGuinness couldn't swing that with Leitrim, sorry Leitrim lads :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7772 - 31/10/2020 16:14:37 2303404 Link 3 |
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You can't train a donkey to be a race horse jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20035 - 31/10/2020 16:28:13 2303411 Link 3 |
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We have 1 full time strength and conditioning coach ( Jason McGahan) and he's only in his second year with us. We do have a state of the art centre of excellence but it's not finished yet. 1 of the biggest problems facing country teams is our best talents been coaxed to Oz, country teams can't afford to lose even 1 top class player if there is a challenge to be put on dublin reign. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 31/10/2020 16:32:51 2303416 Link 2 |
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True Aussie rules is a problem; look at the difference McKenna has made to Tyrone already since he returned. It's not a critcism of Kerry sorry; McHugh's interview was interesting in the sense he believes money is required to compete at the top level now which is hard to argue against. Even having one full time strength and conditioning expert working out of a centre of excellence similar or better to professional sports is significant compared to counties outside the top 3 or 4 who wouldn't have the finance for that. McHugh said Kerry officals spent time at the likes of Leeds when planning the centre; not sure if this is true? This sort of preparation probably brings you the prep required to compete against the other super powers but doesn't guarantee you All Ireland's etc as there is the same personnel/facilities in the other top counties. What is does do though is close the door on the counties sitting further back; even if they produce 20 top players which teams have done before; getting those teams upto a conditioning, preparation level to beat the top teams in championships will be very difficult; it's why we're starting to see most of the top 5 in the country edge further and further away from the rest - 4 or so of those will be in a position to compete for the big prize as Dublin fall into the pack. I think you can start to link the top Div 1 counties to the finance, facilities and personnel they have got compared to those sitting further back; trying to make an impact. For the purposes of this thread I don't think money buys you success but I do think it's required to put you in a position to compete and try to reach your potential. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 707 - 31/10/2020 17:30:41 2303458 Link 0 |
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Ya you make some excellent points there, a full time S&C coach can only be good and does widen the gap to a lot of teams, although it'll be interesting to see will it have a massive effect on our hurlers, I read somewhere lately ( I dont know if it's true) that dublin have had a full time S&C coach with 12 years now. Makenna is unreal since he came back from Oz, itl be interesting to see how Conor glass gets on with Derry as well. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 31/10/2020 21:23:49 2303613 Link 2 |
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Exactly nearly all of the weaker counties have poor Co Boards who have been there for donkeys yrs and wouldn't have a clue how to use the money. It's no coincidence that the Dublin Kerry Kilkenny Tyrone and a few more all have excellent people running their County Boards who see that their teams get everything they want.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 444 - 01/11/2020 09:07:40 2303689 Link 1 |
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gaa 200 million to win a senior all ireland in hurling or football in 10 years could they?"]If spent correctly it will certainly improve u. But u need a vision and patience. Hiring coaches for all schools/clubs would bring up the standard up no end. Over 20 years you would see great results. The standard at all levels would be raised and then it would become the norm. U are still going to struggle to a certain extent against the big population centres as they will always on average have more of those generational type players but u will be competitive and when things go ur way u will win things. People complain about the Dubs, and they do have money and population, but they could easily have wasted it. They really spent it wisely at grass roots. A lot of counties have money and waste money. Spending it on stadiums etc. Spending on improving the standards should be like building a house......start at the bottom. Foundation is coaching & facilities (pitches & balls) for all the kids and schools at all levels Elite Coaching older kids Elite Coaching county teams The problem is everyone wants success overnight. The really small population centres will always struggle. Monaghan is not huge and always seems to be at the top table. I wonder what they are doing? Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1292 - 05/11/2020 09:41:41 2305258 Link 0 |
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If spent correctly it will certainly improve u. But u need a vision and patience. Hiring coaches for all schools/clubs would bring up the standard up no end. Over 20 years you would see great results. The standard at all levels would be raised and then it would become the norm. U are still going to struggle to a certain extent against the big population centres as they will always on average have more of those generational type players but u will be competitive and when things go ur way u will win things. People complain about the Dubs, and they do have money and population, but they could easily have wasted it. They really spent it wisely at grass roots. A lot of counties have money and waste money. Spending it on stadiums etc. Spending on improving the standards should be like building a house......start at the bottom. Foundation is coaching & facilities (pitches & balls) for all the kids and schools at all levels Elite Coaching older kids Elite Coaching county teams The problem is everyone wants success overnight. The really small population centres will always struggle. Monaghan is not huge and always seems to be at the top table. I wonder what they are doing?"]I think your key statement is look at what Monaghan are doing always competing, learn from them not Dublin. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4434 - 05/11/2020 22:04:07 2305461 Link 0 |
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Yes but the people who are calling for it are doing it for selfish reasons... Do you think O'Rourke for example would be doing this if meath were doing well, or all the kerry folk would be calling for it if they were winning Sam... Not on your nelly... Were people calling for it when kerry or Kilkenny were dominating...??? Not a whisper.. It is an easy argument to put forward due to population, but only because Dublin footballers were winning. If Limerick or Tipp start dominating like Kilkenny, you can bet your bottom dollar there would not be 1 person from Kilkenny or Cork looking for them counties to be split. They have more pride than that and wouldnt be embarrassing themselves... Other side of the coin..... Rather than splitting a county why not amalgamate smaller counties - eg Meath and Westmeath.... ;o)"]I'm not calling for Dublin to be split at the moment, I'm still a bit in the fence as to whether what's happening now is a phase we're going through where a great team has come along or is this the new norm. Reality is that the growth in the GAA's popularity in Dublin can be in big part traced back to funding model which was put in place in the first decade of this century, which recognised Dublin as a special case capable of growing the game, so would be funded well above what their number of registered players was at the time. Petty interests of counties outside Dublin at the time could have stopped this but this went through as it was aimed at growing the game. Reality also is due to Dublin population being far bigger than opponents if the GAA becomes, per capita, as popular in Dublin as other counties it may make the inter county championship a nonsense. From a romantic point of I don't like the idea of splitting Dublin and at the moment the case is not strong enough to split them. But, just as the GAA justified increasing funding to Dublin in the first decade of this century as, in the Big Picture, it was very positive (great potential to grow the game) a point might come where a knock on effect of growing the game in Dublin might mean, again looking at the Big Picture the GAA might have to split Dublin into their corresponding current local government county council areas to avoid the All Ireland championship becoming irrelevant. If your talking about counties amalgamating to bring them closer to Dublin's population, you may be better to call for Dublin to compete in the interpros as a replacement for the current All Ireland championship."]There is sound logic in that post and I get where you are coming from, however that scenario is decades away, beyond our life time, if it ever came to pass which I doubt. Penetration in Dublin is really poor, there are 39k registered players in Dublin from a population of 1.3 mill, it's the worst ratio in the country. Barely 2% odd of the population of Dublin are registered players. To give a comparison Cork have 34k registered players for 542k. Dublin club champions Ballymun Kickhams has 300 members, 6 players from that club were on the Dublin 5 in a row winning squad. That practically what you are looking at. The doomsday scenario is all well and good in theory, but it doesn't ring through in the numbers on the ground in the scene here in the Dublin game. For me I'd be critical of the DCB, in terms of increasing that penetration in part. Despite strides made in bridging the north, south divide. Dublin GAA has unique problems with growing the game in Dublin no other county has and most never think about. Trust me we are many life times away from realising the scenario you predict."]It is exhausting having to endlessly repeat what you highlighted there. Numbers in Dublin are increasingly condensed in top clubs. For every Crokes, Boden and Na Fianna are clubs around those really struggling to field teams. Huge areas of Dublin with not even a club. In fact many of these large clubs are drawing from a very small pool. As with Covid case numbers for Dublin always a third of the total. That applies to everything with Dublin. Dublin Ladies Football and Mens Football are the biggest rivals of Camogie and Hurling. If what outsiders are saying about Dublin GAA wealth is true, how come this blue wave has worked for Football? So many questions but no other county has these problems. I agree completely re DCB, the wastage is colossal. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4434 - 05/11/2020 22:20:55 2305463 Link 2 |
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If spent correctly it will certainly improve u. But u need a vision and patience. Hiring coaches for all schools/clubs would bring up the standard up no end. Over 20 years you would see great results. The standard at all levels would be raised and then it would become the norm. U are still going to struggle to a certain extent against the big population centres as they will always on average have more of those generational type players but u will be competitive and when things go ur way u will win things. People complain about the Dubs, and they do have money and population, but they could easily have wasted it. They really spent it wisely at grass roots. A lot of counties have money and waste money. Spending it on stadiums etc. Spending on improving the standards should be like building a house......start at the bottom. Foundation is coaching & facilities (pitches & balls) for all the kids and schools at all levels Elite Coaching older kids Elite Coaching county teams The problem is everyone wants success overnight. The really small population centres will always struggle. Monaghan is not huge and always seems to be at the top table. I wonder what they are doing?"]I think your key statement is look at what Monaghan are doing always competing, learn from them not Dublin."]Good post a rock and you make a lot of sense. Another thing though is some counties have so little money or as you say maybe not spending it properly that their county teams fail miserably as they don't have their best players on board cos its costing the players too much money on travel and loss of work etc. Players in smaller counties in particular may live and work 3 or 4 or 5 hours away from home and to travel for training it costs a lot of money and may have to take time off work so they need to get compensated. I know of two county footballers a few years ago that were living in Dublin but retired from intercounty because it was costing them too much money. Players like that have to have their expenses covered. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 630 - 05/11/2020 22:47:38 2305470 Link 0 |
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Dublin did it back in 2011 and landed 5 in a row because of it. BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 255 - 05/11/2020 23:00:25 2305474 Link 2 |
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Dublin are the most egregious of the financial dopers. The Man City of GAA. Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 08/11/2020 15:57:58 2306138 Link 0 |