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Replying To ConnollyDub:  "My god your like a broken record.

Lads i think were all fed up of the Kerry lads ruining threads. So.. instead of having the same argument over and over again and going around in circles., I'm proposing we just respond to them with this simple reply: "5INAROW;)''"
If highlighting and articulating relevant points is "ruining a thread" then maybe you guys need to seriously think about what the point of an internet forum like this is.

But you go ahead and use your childish hastags if it makes you feel better.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5828 - 09/10/2020 13:13:14    2296564

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Replying To TheHermit:  "
Replying To ConnollyDub:  "My god your like a broken record.

Lads i think were all fed up of the Kerry lads ruining threads. So.. instead of having the same argument over and over again and going around in circles., I'm proposing we just respond to them with this simple reply: "5INAROW;)''"
If highlighting and articulating relevant points is "ruining a thread" then maybe you guys need to seriously think about what the point of an internet forum like this is.

But you go ahead and use your childish hastags if it makes you feel better."
5INAROW;)

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1922 - 09/10/2020 14:00:34    2296581

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Takes all types a chara.

Its the facts that are important, The Connacht Provincial Council received, 1.248 mill for funding of the province and Kerry received 1.254 million for themselves. That is after years of being capital grants totaling 3 mill for Currans COE. Before you talk of 7 mill ISC grants for the Sports Campus for IT Tralee used by Kerry GAA. Kerry GAA also have their noses at the trough of provincial funding as well, Dublin dont receive any. The Munster Council was in receipt of 1.4 million euro last year and Kerry Gaa receive a sixth of that. So cumulatively, thats huge money into a population of 140k odd.

All their GDO and GPA are paid for by the GAA. As we know Dublin pay 50% for theirs.

Its irrelevant to Dublin because as we are renowned we produce skillful players, its our way, but for other counties with similar populations, Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone etc, you would be asking why Kerry receive preferential treatment, i mean you have to say some of that money helps fund the margins that has got them over the line over those counties last year after being well down the pack for years, its certainly a question.

Ill be kind and not go any further on Kerrys income but cant take other seriously when they dont even know the facts around their own situation and being artificially financially bloated."
Cork are actually second to Dublin and there are lots of counties in and around Kerry's figure, which was a bit higher due to higher team and player expenses following a deep championship run and AIF replay, that becomes very costly with travel, accommodation and an extended training period. You make it sound like Kerry are being artificially pumped up over and above other counties which the accounts do not show at all despite your disingenuous interpretation of the figures.

Trying to bring a third level campus that Kerry teams occasionally use is also seriously stretching it. Kerry are not badly off at all, far from it, but no need to exaggerate to the level in your posts. Or perhaps it is yourself that should learn to read accounts?

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 09/10/2020 20:29:00    2296634

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Cork are actually second to Dublin and there are lots of counties in and around Kerry's figure, which was a bit higher due to higher team and player expenses following a deep championship run and AIF replay, that becomes very costly with travel, accommodation and an extended training period. You make it sound like Kerry are being artificially pumped up over and above other counties which the accounts do not show at all despite your disingenuous interpretation of the figures.

Trying to bring a third level campus that Kerry teams occasionally use is also seriously stretching it. Kerry are not badly off at all, far from it, but no need to exaggerate to the level in your posts. Or perhaps it is yourself that should learn to read accounts?"
The sports campus in Tralee was a funny 1 Gerry, he's really stretching now, I'm surprised he didn't take into account the money the Kerry County Council got for fixing the roads so the players could travel to training.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 10/10/2020 08:47:39    2296655

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "The sports campus in Tralee was a funny 1 Gerry, he's really stretching now, I'm surprised he didn't take into account the money the Kerry County Council got for fixing the roads so the players could travel to training."
Perfect way to start your day , Whinge- :)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2113 - 10/10/2020 10:03:29    2296658

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "The sports campus in Tralee was a funny 1 Gerry, he's really stretching now, I'm surprised he didn't take into account the money the Kerry County Council got for fixing the roads so the players could travel to training."
I think bringing capital spending in to it make the debate a total farce across the board, you'd have to include PUC, Semple, Croke Park etc then. The GAA needs a certain amount of infrastructure to function and grow and virtually every county has benefitted at one stage or another. The figures he was quoting didn't include the ISC funding either which is where the thing gets really skewed.

FWIW I normally stay away from the financial debate when it starts as I am just not that interested in it. I've never been a believer that money is the main driver behind Dublin's success, albeit it was a catalyst and a factor certainly.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 10/10/2020 10:16:22    2296659

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Ha, ha, ha, It's amazing how staggering over funding gets justified when the shoe is on the other foot, I'd stick by every point I made to be honest.

Wouldn't be a fan of the posters commenting however, so I'd encourage anyone to read the accounts and form their own opinion. Always more important than dogma.

In the meantime , Never change...... ;)

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 10/10/2020 19:35:45    2296724

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Ha, ha, ha, It's amazing how staggering over funding gets justified when the shoe is on the other foot, I'd stick by every point I made to be honest.

Wouldn't be a fan of the posters commenting however, so I'd encourage anyone to read the accounts and form their own opinion. Always more important than dogma.

In the meantime , Never change...... ;)"
What overfunding? Kerry's figure is exactly where you would expect it to be, the only figure that is a little higher than other counties is team expenses, easily explained by their elongated season in 2019. You either can't understand the figures or are seeing what you want to see and making up the rest.

As always when blatant holes in your argument are pointed out you get smart and don't address the point put to you because you can't stand over it.

#spoofer

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 10/10/2020 21:09:28    2296727

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I don't understand how the money given to Dublin is actually relevant to this thread.

The money was just spent on providing coaching to kids to get more Dublin born youngsters to play the games.

It doesn't take away from the achievements of any individuals.

There are probably some who wouldn't have made it in the game has there not been the investment in Dublin grassroots. Is it not a good thing though that the money was put in and more of these players did grace our games and provide so much entertainment to us over these years.

The money doesn't take away from the individuals brilliance in anyway. More and better coaching/development of young players has been provided for by the GAA, I mean surely that's right to the heart of the association's mission to promote the games.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 11/10/2020 01:56:00    2296750

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't understand how the money given to Dublin is actually relevant to this thread.

The money was just spent on providing coaching to kids to get more Dublin born youngsters to play the games.

It doesn't take away from the achievements of any individuals.

There are probably some who wouldn't have made it in the game has there not been the investment in Dublin grassroots. Is it not a good thing though that the money was put in and more of these players did grace our games and provide so much entertainment to us over these years.

The money doesn't take away from the individuals brilliance in anyway. More and better coaching/development of young players has been provided for by the GAA, I mean surely that's right to the heart of the association's mission to promote the games."
Of course it is boy, but you see, if you can introduce some element of doubt or taint the achievements of another then that's all that some people want to do in order to make their achievements look better.
The Dubs availed of the money that was there to help grass roots coaching and it was badly needed considering the numbers taking up Rugby, Soccer and Athletics to mention a few,and the general decline in interest it had been experiencing in the GAA.
If you want to introduce money as a main factor,then Kerry have had more backing than any other county over the past 50 years I'd say.
I doubt any team that took the field for Kerry yesterday or today have ever wanted for anything.
I know this forum and it's like are generally places where anyone with an opinion ( and we know what Clint said about them too ) can go and put forward whatever slant they like on a subject so there's no doubt there'll be plenty of negative opinions about any number of topics up for discussion. I don't think though that any of those opinions deflate or detract from the achievements of any of the great teams we have been fortunate enough to see play the games. Witnessing some of the greatest players to ever play hurling and football should be celebrated not besmirched.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 11/10/2020 09:54:17    2296756

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't understand how the money given to Dublin is actually relevant to this thread.

The money was just spent on providing coaching to kids to get more Dublin born youngsters to play the games.

It doesn't take away from the achievements of any individuals.

There are probably some who wouldn't have made it in the game has there not been the investment in Dublin grassroots. Is it not a good thing though that the money was put in and more of these players did grace our games and provide so much entertainment to us over these years.

The money doesn't take away from the individuals brilliance in anyway. More and better coaching/development of young players has been provided for by the GAA, I mean surely that's right to the heart of the association's mission to promote the games."
I think its also fair to give the credit, where its due on grassroots Whammo. The GAA dont give the bulk of the money out of their coffers for grassroots in Dublin, in actual fact Dublin take very little out of the GAA central coffers comparatively given its size and population, the GAA cant afford Dublin really. There is an annual grant of 1 mill provided by the ISC via the GAA in recognition of Dublin unique situation given its population and equity of opportunity to play GAA for Dublin kids to match those offered to kids in other counties, that hasnt always been there.

But that is only half the story really the GAA/ISC grant covers one half the bill administered via the DCB for GPO & GDO's. Dublin Clubs themselves pay 50% of the cost of GDO & GPO's out of club funds, creating the hybrid model between schools, community and club.

How do clubs do that? Very simply the DCB doesn't fundraise for county, or does very little. A conscious effort is made is to leave the fundraising market in Dublin to Dublin clubs and the support of grass roots.

What does that mean practically, well you look at Ballymun Kickhams, a club of 300 members, in a historically disadvantaged area of the county, recent Dublin Senior champions with 6 members of a Dublin 5 in a row winning squad. Its a brilliant story and a real visible affirmation of the success of Dublin model and way.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 11/10/2020 10:00:36    2296757

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't understand how the money given to Dublin is actually relevant to this thread.

The money was just spent on providing coaching to kids to get more Dublin born youngsters to play the games.

It doesn't take away from the achievements of any individuals.

There are probably some who wouldn't have made it in the game has there not been the investment in Dublin grassroots. Is it not a good thing though that the money was put in and more of these players did grace our games and provide so much entertainment to us over these years.

The money doesn't take away from the individuals brilliance in anyway. More and better coaching/development of young players has been provided for by the GAA, I mean surely that's right to the heart of the association's mission to promote the games."
"The money was just spent on providing coaching to kids to get more Dublin born youngsters to play the games." Do you also believe in fairies, and the little green men on Mars?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1115 - 11/10/2020 10:02:16    2296758

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Replying To catch22:  "Of course it is boy, but you see, if you can introduce some element of doubt or taint the achievements of another then that's all that some people want to do in order to make their achievements look better.
The Dubs availed of the money that was there to help grass roots coaching and it was badly needed considering the numbers taking up Rugby, Soccer and Athletics to mention a few,and the general decline in interest it had been experiencing in the GAA.
If you want to introduce money as a main factor,then Kerry have had more backing than any other county over the past 50 years I'd say.
I doubt any team that took the field for Kerry yesterday or today have ever wanted for anything.
I know this forum and it's like are generally places where anyone with an opinion ( and we know what Clint said about them too ) can go and put forward whatever slant they like on a subject so there's no doubt there'll be plenty of negative opinions about any number of topics up for discussion. I don't think though that any of those opinions deflate or detract from the achievements of any of the great teams we have been fortunate enough to see play the games. Witnessing some of the greatest players to ever play hurling and football should be celebrated not besmirched."
Don't forget the population or playing games in Croke Park as the reason being put forward by some Kerry folk...! Pathetic. .... lol. ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 11/10/2020 10:19:34    2296762

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After reading a lot of this thread this morning Im after learning a lot about the money that Dublin appears to be getting and I have learned a lot that I didn't know before and If it's true I for one would like to see Dublin's finances layed bare for us all to examine and see where this money is really coming from and where it is really going.

Johnnyprophet (Galway) - Posts: 30 - 11/10/2020 13:00:32    2296792

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't understand how the money given to Dublin is actually relevant to this thread.

The money was just spent on providing coaching to kids to get more Dublin born youngsters to play the games.

It doesn't take away from the achievements of any individuals.

There are probably some who wouldn't have made it in the game has there not been the investment in Dublin grassroots. Is it not a good thing though that the money was put in and more of these players did grace our games and provide so much entertainment to us over these years.

The money doesn't take away from the individuals brilliance in anyway. More and better coaching/development of young players has been provided for by the GAA, I mean surely that's right to the heart of the association's mission to promote the games."
But why not put the money into other counties? Is it just dublin you want to be entertained by or what?

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 451 - 11/10/2020 13:45:26    2296796

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I think its also fair to give the credit, where its due on grassroots Whammo. The GAA dont give the bulk of the money out of their coffers for grassroots in Dublin, in actual fact Dublin take very little out of the GAA central coffers comparatively given its size and population, the GAA cant afford Dublin really. There is an annual grant of 1 mill provided by the ISC via the GAA in recognition of Dublin unique situation given its population and equity of opportunity to play GAA for Dublin kids to match those offered to kids in other counties, that hasnt always been there.

But that is only half the story really the GAA/ISC grant covers one half the bill administered via the DCB for GPO & GDO's. Dublin Clubs themselves pay 50% of the cost of GDO & GPO's out of club funds, creating the hybrid model between schools, community and club.

How do clubs do that? Very simply the DCB doesn't fundraise for county, or does very little. A conscious effort is made is to leave the fundraising market in Dublin to Dublin clubs and the support of grass roots.

What does that mean practically, well you look at Ballymun Kickhams, a club of 300 members, in a historically disadvantaged area of the county, recent Dublin Senior champions with 6 members of a Dublin 5 in a row winning squad. Its a brilliant story and a real visible affirmation of the success of Dublin model and way."
Very good point on the Ballymun example...

Well said.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 3309 - 11/10/2020 14:16:05    2296799

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Ha ha and here comes the multis, who post very rarely but very passionately on certain topics. :D

Never change Kerry, never change.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 11/10/2020 14:20:03    2296801

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Replying To achara:  "But why not put the money into other counties? Is it just dublin you want to be entertained by or what?"
Because Dublin have a very large percentage of the juvenile population in the country.

It also was the part of the country with the largest opportunity to grow the game.

There's a lot of counties with very little capacity to reach more people than they already do.

Plenty of money is spent in other counties, just in a different way than is spent in Dublin. Although there are also plenty of coaches all over the country.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-invest-18m-in-grassroots-in-2019/

Dublin have 64 of 365 development officers, 17% or so. Dublin has a bit over 20% of the population of the island and over 20% of the births in the island each year.

I just don't see what is untoward about the spending in Dublin.

We're talking 1.3m or so per annum out of 11.5m or so spent overall on games development.

We're also talking 2.25m or so out of about 45m total distributions back into the provincial councils and county boards.

The GAA's doing lots throughout the country.

https://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/fl_attachment/zqzwyx0xnugvpw4zirtp.pdf

https://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/fl_attachment/r6dpesxhmuo8ck0bqzsy.pdf

You know what really bugs me about this whole Dublin spending conversation. It really is some of the most effective use of funds that the GAA have put in. It's so positive and it's turned into something negative by you lot because of petty rivalries.

I always kind of think, imagine the FAI had a similar project to get better grassroots coaching in Dublin and had a similar impact in terms of producing players, we'd all be bloody delighted by it and consider it money well spent.

It's only because of the make up of our competitions being based around teams drawn around county boundaries that makes this an issue and it's a bit pathetic to be honest.

To me the issue is with the demographics of the country.

It's not the GAA's doing that we've a Dublin centric economy but they have to respond to that and they have to provide the coaches to the areas where there are the numbers.

I honestly don't see how it could be any other way.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 11/10/2020 14:37:28    2296806

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Replying To Johnnyprophet:  "After reading a lot of this thread this morning Im after learning a lot about the money that Dublin appears to be getting and I have learned a lot that I didn't know before and If it's true I for one would like to see Dublin's finances layed bare for us all to examine and see where this money is really coming from and where it is really going."
It's in the accounts.


https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-invest-18m-in-grassroots-in-2019/

This is what people are talking about. There's nothing hidden or untoward going on.

Certainly nothing that is in the public realm as being untoward.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 11/10/2020 14:40:58    2296807

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""The money was just spent on providing coaching to kids to get more Dublin born youngsters to play the games." Do you also believe in fairies, and the little green men on Mars?"
Bit of a rubbish analogy mate.

There's no evidence to suggest fairies or little green men on Mars.

Do you have evidence that the GAA's published accounts are false?

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 11/10/2020 15:15:03    2296812

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