Replying To TheHermit:  "Well no surprise to see the reaction to my post from some of the usual suspects.

This is all I'm going to say on the matter and I'll leave it at that.

First, please point out anything that I have said that is wrong, or inaccurate, or is made up and plain lies?
You see the "shout you down for dare bringing up a well known and heavily reported issue" brigade on here would like to portray anyone critical of Dublin and their dominance as some mad crackpot, "tinfoil hat wearing" conspiracy theorist. You'd swear I was discussing something that wasn't based in FACT, that hasn't been well known for years and that isn't an issue that has had tens of thousands of words printed about it in every newspaper, and has not been extensively discussed on national radio and television!!

This is not a conspiracy theory it is FACT. Everyone knows what has gone on, yet so many of you refuse to set any discussion of Dublin and their players achievements within that most necessary context as if, contrary to every known study on sport, the GAA is different and access to huge amounts of money at all levels for a county's GAA setup does not matter to a team's success! To say nothing of home advantage, competition structures skewed to favouring them etc.

I never claimed money was all it took; I have never claimed Dublin are some rag-tag of journey men that were made superstars by Croke Park cheques. They would have won plenty this past ten years. But they would never have dominated to this unprecedented extent if it wasn't for the FACT that they are so hugely funded in comparison to anyone else. Not just the nearly rans but also everyone of their main rivals.

We are not talking about one county just manging to get, through their own endeavours, a little more than their main rivals. We are talking about one county being systematically funded 20 times that of their nearest rival (by Croke Park money alone). That's not even considering the rest of the funding they received from State agencies or the massive commercial revenue they are allowed. But somehow that has not made any difference?

Somehow having a development officer attached to every school or club while other counties have 1 or 2 covering multiple clubs/schools across massive geographical areas is not a benefit. Somehow being able to pay for a small army of backroom personal with expertise on every possible facet of sport science is not a help? Somehow paid expert coaching all the way up does not make players better?

The fact so many of you refuse to accept this simple point is very worrying for the future of this sport. Whatever about the Dubs, I'd be fascinated to understand the mentality behind this from some of the rest of you.
I could actually stomach some of the Dubs on here if even one was gracious enough to acknowledge the massive funding imbalance has contributed to Dublin's success. But no, they refuse to accept that incredibly basic premise because they know deep down how much truth there is to it.

Sam1884 you've posted some more utter guff earlier. You claim that all this is some Kerry orchestrated witch-hunt at a national level?? I'm sorry Sam can you explain to me what Kerry people run RTE, or the Irish Times or the Independent etc etc. Is Kevin McStay from Kerry, I never knew that. I know Colm Parkinson played with IT Tralee for a couple of years maybe that makes him a Kerryman too. That's just to pick two critical voices among so many in the GAA world.

You go to any GAA clubhouse or pub in Ireland today outside of Dublin and you'll hear plenty of people discussing this issue and being angry and frustrated (as I most certainly am) about how one county has been privileged and facilitated to win above all others.

Which brings me to another point, the constant stupidity on here by claiming anything critical of Dublin is a "thread getting hijacked and descending into a Kerry/Dublin thing".

This is not a Kerry/Dublin thing, it is a fundamental crisis in the inter-county game, it's a Dublin v every other county and the future sustainability of the All Ireland as a concept thing.

And just because on here a few Kerry posters are vocal on the subject (as we should be) will you stop trying to paint it as that as a childish way of trying to belittle anyone wanting to discuss a fundamental crisis in the GAA.

It is absolutely pathetic that so many of you can't simply deal with dissenting voices and have the utter inability to take accept opposing viewpoints and opinions that challenge your perceptions. Even when what they are discussing is a well know issue that been constantly highlighted far and wide! But that's the twitter generation I suppose.

So you can all go back to convincing yourself that anything critical said about Dublin is just the ravings of embittered Kerrymen and no one else - in the same way you can convince yourself climate change is a lie because, sure wasn't the weather this summer crap!!

Finally, can you people all stop with the, "oh your letting yourself/your county down there with this" garbage. I'm a poster on an internet forum. From time to time I like to speak my mind and share my opinion.

What I posted was, in my opinion, completely relevant to any discussion on how Dublin's players should be judge compared to their opponents.

I am not here to "represent" Kerry's good name or tradition or by my thoughts reinforce or challenge your perceptions of what Kerry GAA is. Do some of you ever actually read this crap you write before you post it?!!

Do you think I should be ashamed or made to feel I can't express a perfectly reasonable opinion because what a bunch of strangers behind a keyboard might think about me (and aren't slow in telling me the same)? To those people on here I'll say this, I couldn't give a damn what you might think of me and I think its quite worrying that you are obviously so concerned what strangers on an internet forum might think of you that you would believe anyone would be worried by you telling them what your personal opinion of them is!

For example, if I judged Dublin GAA fans by what most Dublin posters write on here, I'd cross the road to avoid them after every game. Thankfully Hoganstand and the real world are a good bit different.

So to sum up, I gave an opinion that I feel is relevant to judging Dublin's success and that of their players.

If you want I can spend 20mins on google supplying links to dozens of pieces on the current situation between Dublin and funding for those of you who lived under a rock these past 4 years and have no idea what is going on.

And lastly just because there is a certain brigade of posters on here that like to act as the thought police- shouting down/belittling/insulting anyone that doesn't conform to their worldview - that isn't going to stop me expressing a valid point or opinion as troubling as some of you seem to find it.

But if your all so worried about myself and my vile propaganda why don't you organise a petition to ban me - it might make you all feel better."

Replying To catch22:  "[quote=TheHermit:  "Well no surprise to see the reaction to my post from some of the usual suspects.

This is all I'm going to say on the matter and I'll leave it at that.

First, please point out anything that I have said that is wrong, or inaccurate, or is made up and plain lies?
You see the "shout you down for dare bringing up a well known and heavily reported issue" brigade on here would like to portray anyone critical of Dublin and their dominance as some mad crackpot, "tinfoil hat wearing" conspiracy theorist. You'd swear I was discussing something that wasn't based in FACT, that hasn't been well known for years and that isn't an issue that has had tens of thousands of words printed about it in every newspaper, and has not been extensively discussed on national radio and television!!

This is not a conspiracy theory it is FACT. Everyone knows what has gone on, yet so many of you refuse to set any discussion of Dublin and their players achievements within that most necessary context as if, contrary to every known study on sport, the GAA is different and access to huge amounts of money at all levels for a county's GAA setup does not matter to a team's success! To say nothing of home advantage, competition structures skewed to favouring them etc.

I never claimed money was all it took; I have never claimed Dublin are some rag-tag of journey men that were made superstars by Croke Park cheques. They would have won plenty this past ten years. But they would never have dominated to this unprecedented extent if it wasn't for the FACT that they are so hugely funded in comparison to anyone else. Not just the nearly rans but also everyone of their main rivals.

We are not talking about one county just manging to get, through their own endeavours, a little more than their main rivals. We are talking about one county being systematically funded 20 times that of their nearest rival (by Croke Park money alone). That's not even considering the rest of the funding they received from State agencies or the massive commercial revenue they are allowed. But somehow that has not made any difference?

Somehow having a development officer attached to every school or club while other counties have 1 or 2 covering multiple clubs/schools across massive geographical areas is not a benefit. Somehow being able to pay for a small army of backroom personal with expertise on every possible facet of sport science is not a help? Somehow paid expert coaching all the way up does not make players better?

The fact so many of you refuse to accept this simple point is very worrying for the future of this sport. Whatever about the Dubs, I'd be fascinated to understand the mentality behind this from some of the rest of you.
I could actually stomach some of the Dubs on here if even one was gracious enough to acknowledge the massive funding imbalance has contributed to Dublin's success. But no, they refuse to accept that incredibly basic premise because they know deep down how much truth there is to it.

Sam1884 you've posted some more utter guff earlier. You claim that all this is some Kerry orchestrated witch-hunt at a national level?? I'm sorry Sam can you explain to me what Kerry people run RTE, or the Irish Times or the Independent etc etc. Is Kevin McStay from Kerry, I never knew that. I know Colm Parkinson played with IT Tralee for a couple of years maybe that makes him a Kerryman too. That's just to pick two critical voices among so many in the GAA world.

You go to any GAA clubhouse or pub in Ireland today outside of Dublin and you'll hear plenty of people discussing this issue and being angry and frustrated (as I most certainly am) about how one county has been privileged and facilitated to win above all others.

Which brings me to another point, the constant stupidity on here by claiming anything critical of Dublin is a "thread getting hijacked and descending into a Kerry/Dublin thing".

This is not a Kerry/Dublin thing, it is a fundamental crisis in the inter-county game, it's a Dublin v every other county and the future sustainability of the All Ireland as a concept thing.

And just because on here a few Kerry posters are vocal on the subject (as we should be) will you stop trying to paint it as that as a childish way of trying to belittle anyone wanting to discuss a fundamental crisis in the GAA.

It is absolutely pathetic that so many of you can't simply deal with dissenting voices and have the utter inability to take accept opposing viewpoints and opinions that challenge your perceptions. Even when what they are discussing is a well know issue that been constantly highlighted far and wide! But that's the twitter generation I suppose.

So you can all go back to convincing yourself that anything critical said about Dublin is just the ravings of embittered Kerrymen and no one else - in the same way you can convince yourself climate change is a lie because, sure wasn't the weather this summer crap!!

Finally, can you people all stop with the, "oh your letting yourself/your county down there with this" garbage. I'm a poster on an internet forum. From time to time I like to speak my mind and share my opinion.

What I posted was, in my opinion, completely relevant to any discussion on how Dublin's players should be judge compared to their opponents.

I am not here to "represent" Kerry's good name or tradition or by my thoughts reinforce or challenge your perceptions of what Kerry GAA is. Do some of you ever actually read this crap you write before you post it?!!

Do you think I should be ashamed or made to feel I can't express a perfectly reasonable opinion because what a bunch of strangers behind a keyboard might think about me (and aren't slow in telling me the same)? To those people on here I'll say this, I couldn't give a damn what you might think of me and I think its quite worrying that you are obviously so concerned what strangers on an internet forum might think of you that you would believe anyone would be worried by you telling them what your personal opinion of them is!

For example, if I judged Dublin GAA fans by what most Dublin posters write on here, I'd cross the road to avoid them after every game. Thankfully Hoganstand and the real world are a good bit different.

So to sum up, I gave an opinion that I feel is relevant to judging Dublin's success and that of their players.

If you want I can spend 20mins on google supplying links to dozens of pieces on the current situation between Dublin and funding for those of you who lived under a rock these past 4 years and have no idea what is going on.

And lastly just because there is a certain brigade of posters on here that like to act as the thought police- shouting down/belittling/insulting anyone that doesn't conform to their worldview - that isn't going to stop me expressing a valid point or opinion as troubling as some of you seem to find it.

But if your all so worried about myself and my vile propaganda why don't you organise a petition to ban me - it might make you all feel better."

Replying To catch22:  "[quote=TheHermit:  "Well no surprise to see the reaction to my post from some of the usual suspects.

This is all I'm going to say on the matter and I'll leave it at that.

First, please point out anything that I have said that is wrong, or inaccurate, or is made up and plain lies?
You see the "shout you down for dare bringing up a well known and heavily reported issue" brigade on here would like to portray anyone critical of Dublin and their dominance as some mad crackpot, "tinfoil hat wearing" conspiracy theorist. You'd swear I was discussing something that wasn't based in FACT, that hasn't been well known for years and that isn't an issue that has had tens of thousands of words printed about it in every newspaper, and has not been extensively discussed on national radio and television!!

This is not a conspiracy theory it is FACT. Everyone knows what has gone on, yet so many of you refuse to set any discussion of Dublin and their players achievements within that most necessary context as if, contrary to every known study on sport, the GAA is different and access to huge amounts of money at all levels for a county's GAA setup does not matter to a team's success! To say nothing of home advantage, competition structures skewed to favouring them etc.

I never claimed money was all it took; I have never claimed Dublin are some rag-tag of journey men that were made superstars by Croke Park cheques. They would have won plenty this past ten years. But they would never have dominated to this unprecedented extent if it wasn't for the FACT that they are so hugely funded in comparison to anyone else. Not just the nearly rans but also everyone of their main rivals.

We are not talking about one county just manging to get, through their own endeavours, a little more than their main rivals. We are talking about one county being systematically funded 20 times that of their nearest rival (by Croke Park money alone). That's not even considering the rest of the funding they received from State agencies or the massive commercial revenue they are allowed. But somehow that has not made any difference?

Somehow having a development officer attached to every school or club while other counties have 1 or 2 covering multiple clubs/schools across massive geographical areas is not a benefit. Somehow being able to pay for a small army of backroom personal with expertise on every possible facet of sport science is not a help? Somehow paid expert coaching all the way up does not make players better?

The fact so many of you refuse to accept this simple point is very worrying for the future of this sport. Whatever about the Dubs, I'd be fascinated to understand the mentality behind this from some of the rest of you.
I could actually stomach some of the Dubs on here if even one was gracious enough to acknowledge the massive funding imbalance has contributed to Dublin's success. But no, they refuse to accept that incredibly basic premise because they know deep down how much truth there is to it.

Sam1884 you've posted some more utter guff earlier. You claim that all this is some Kerry orchestrated witch-hunt at a national level?? I'm sorry Sam can you explain to me what Kerry people run RTE, or the Irish Times or the Independent etc etc. Is Kevin McStay from Kerry, I never knew that. I know Colm Parkinson played with IT Tralee for a couple of years maybe that makes him a Kerryman too. That's just to pick two critical voices among so many in the GAA world.

You go to any GAA clubhouse or pub in Ireland today outside of Dublin and you'll hear plenty of people discussing this issue and being angry and frustrated (as I most certainly am) about how one county has been privileged and facilitated to win above all others.

Which brings me to another point, the constant stupidity on here by claiming anything critical of Dublin is a "thread getting hijacked and descending into a Kerry/Dublin thing".

This is not a Kerry/Dublin thing, it is a fundamental crisis in the inter-county game, it's a Dublin v every other county and the future sustainability of the All Ireland as a concept thing.

And just because on here a few Kerry posters are vocal on the subject (as we should be) will you stop trying to paint it as that as a childish way of trying to belittle anyone wanting to discuss a fundamental crisis in the GAA.

It is absolutely pathetic that so many of you can't simply deal with dissenting voices and have the utter inability to take accept opposing viewpoints and opinions that challenge your perceptions. Even when what they are discussing is a well know issue that been constantly highlighted far and wide! But that's the twitter generation I suppose.

So you can all go back to convincing yourself that anything critical said about Dublin is just the ravings of embittered Kerrymen and no one else - in the same way you can convince yourself climate change is a lie because, sure wasn't the weather this summer crap!!

Finally, can you people all stop with the, "oh your letting yourself/your county down there with this" garbage. I'm a poster on an internet forum. From time to time I like to speak my mind and share my opinion.

What I posted was, in my opinion, completely relevant to any discussion on how Dublin's players should be judge compared to their opponents.

I am not here to "represent" Kerry's good name or tradition or by my thoughts reinforce or challenge your perceptions of what Kerry GAA is. Do some of you ever actually read this crap you write before you post it?!!

Do you think I should be ashamed or made to feel I can't express a perfectly reasonable opinion because what a bunch of strangers behind a keyboard might think about me (and aren't slow in telling me the same)? To those people on here I'll say this, I couldn't give a damn what you might think of me and I think its quite worrying that you are obviously so concerned what strangers on an internet forum might think of you that you would believe anyone would be worried by you telling them what your personal opinion of them is!

For example, if I judged Dublin GAA fans by what most Dublin posters write on here, I'd cross the road to avoid them after every game. Thankfully Hoganstand and the real world are a good bit different.

So to sum up, I gave an opinion that I feel is relevant to judging Dublin's success and that of their players.

If you want I can spend 20mins on google supplying links to dozens of pieces on the current situation between Dublin and funding for those of you who lived under a rock these past 4 years and have no idea what is going on.

And lastly just because there is a certain brigade of posters on here that like to act as the thought police- shouting down/belittling/insulting anyone that doesn't conform to their worldview - that isn't going to stop me expressing a valid point or opinion as troubling as some of you seem to find it.

But if your all so worried about myself and my vile propaganda why don't you organise a petition to ban me - it might make you all feel better."

Replying To catch22:  "[quote=TheHermit:  "Well no surprise to see the reaction to my post from some of the usual suspects.

This is all I'm going to say on the matter and I'll leave it at that.

First, please point out anything that I have said that is wrong, or inaccurate, or is made up and plain lies?
You see the "shout you down for dare bringing up a well known and heavily reported issue" brigade on here would like to portray anyone critical of Dublin and their dominance as some mad crackpot, "tinfoil hat wearing" conspiracy theorist. You'd swear I was discussing something that wasn't based in FACT, that hasn't been well known for years and that isn't an issue that has had tens of thousands of words printed about it in every newspaper, and has not been extensively discussed on national radio and television!!

This is not a conspiracy theory it is FACT. Everyone knows what has gone on, yet so many of you refuse to set any discussion of Dublin and their players achievements within that most necessary context as if, contrary to every known study on sport, the GAA is different and access to huge amounts of money at all levels for a county's GAA setup does not matter to a team's success! To say nothing of home advantage, competition structures skewed to favouring them etc.

I never claimed money was all it took; I have never claimed Dublin are some rag-tag of journey men that were made superstars by Croke Park cheques. They would have won plenty this past ten years. But they would never have dominated to this unprecedented extent if it wasn't for the FACT that they are so hugely funded in comparison to anyone else. Not just the nearly rans but also everyone of their main rivals.

We are not talking about one county just manging to get, through their own endeavours, a little more than their main rivals. We are talking about one county being systematically funded 20 times that of their nearest rival (by Croke Park money alone). That's not even considering the rest of the funding they received from State agencies or the massive commercial revenue they are allowed. But somehow that has not made any difference?

Somehow having a development officer attached to every school or club while other counties have 1 or 2 covering multiple clubs/schools across massive geographical areas is not a benefit. Somehow being able to pay for a small army of backroom personal with expertise on every possible facet of sport science is not a help? Somehow paid expert coaching all the way up does not make players better?

The fact so many of you refuse to accept this simple point is very worrying for the future of this sport. Whatever about the Dubs, I'd be fascinated to understand the mentality behind this from some of the rest of you.
I could actually stomach some of the Dubs on here if even one was gracious enough to acknowledge the massive funding imbalance has contributed to Dublin's success. But no, they refuse to accept that incredibly basic premise because they know deep down how much truth there is to it.

Sam1884 you've posted some more utter guff earlier. You claim that all this is some Kerry orchestrated witch-hunt at a national level?? I'm sorry Sam can you explain to me what Kerry people run RTE, or the Irish Times or the Independent etc etc. Is Kevin McStay from Kerry, I never knew that. I know Colm Parkinson played with IT Tralee for a couple of years maybe that makes him a Kerryman too. That's just to pick two critical voices among so many in the GAA world.

You go to any GAA clubhouse or pub in Ireland today outside of Dublin and you'll hear plenty of people discussing this issue and being angry and frustrated (as I most certainly am) about how one county has been privileged and facilitated to win above all others.

Which brings me to another point, the constant stupidity on here by claiming anything critical of Dublin is a "thread getting hijacked and descending into a Kerry/Dublin thing".

This is not a Kerry/Dublin thing, it is a fundamental crisis in the inter-county game, it's a Dublin v every other county and the future sustainability of the All Ireland as a concept thing.

And just because on here a few Kerry posters are vocal on the subject (as we should be) will you stop trying to paint it as that as a childish way of trying to belittle anyone wanting to discuss a fundamental crisis in the GAA.

It is absolutely pathetic that so many of you can't simply deal with dissenting voices and have the utter inability to take accept opposing viewpoints and opinions that challenge your perceptions. Even when what they are discussing is a well know issue that been constantly highlighted far and wide! But that's the twitter generation I suppose.

So you can all go back to convincing yourself that anything critical said about Dublin is just the ravings of embittered Kerrymen and no one else - in the same way you can convince yourself climate change is a lie because, sure wasn't the weather this summer crap!!

Finally, can you people all stop with the, "oh your letting yourself/your county down there with this" garbage. I'm a poster on an internet forum. From time to time I like to speak my mind and share my opinion.

What I posted was, in my opinion, completely relevant to any discussion on how Dublin's players should be judge compared to their opponents.

I am not here to "represent" Kerry's good name or tradition or by my thoughts reinforce or challenge your perceptions of what Kerry GAA is. Do some of you ever actually read this crap you write before you post it?!!

Do you think I should be ashamed or made to feel I can't express a perfectly reasonable opinion because what a bunch of strangers behind a keyboard might think about me (and aren't slow in telling me the same)? To those people on here I'll say this, I couldn't give a damn what you might think of me and I think its quite worrying that you are obviously so concerned what strangers on an internet forum might think of you that you would believe anyone would be worried by you telling them what your personal opinion of them is!

For example, if I judged Dublin GAA fans by what most Dublin posters write on here, I'd cross the road to avoid them after every game. Thankfully Hoganstand and the real world are a good bit different.

So to sum up, I gave an opinion that I feel is relevant to judging Dublin's success and that of their players.

If you want I can spend 20mins on google supplying links to dozens of pieces on the current situation between Dublin and funding for those of you who lived under a rock these past 4 years and have no idea what is going on.

And lastly just because there is a certain brigade of posters on here that like to act as the thought police- shouting down/belittling/insulting anyone that doesn't conform to their worldview - that isn't going to stop me expressing a valid point or opinion as troubling as some of you seem to find it.

But if your all so worried about myself and my vile propaganda why don't you organise a petition to ban me - it might make you all feel better."

Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=catch22:  "[quote=TheHermit:  "Well no surprise to see the reaction to my post from some of the usual suspects.

This is all I'm going to say on the matter and I'll leave it at that.

First, please point out anything that I have said that is wrong, or inaccurate, or is made up and plain lies?
You see the "shout you down for dare bringing up a well known and heavily reported issue" brigade on here would like to portray anyone critical of Dublin and their dominance as some mad crackpot, "tinfoil hat wearing" conspiracy theorist. You'd swear I was discussing something that wasn't based in FACT, that hasn't been well known for years and that isn't an issue that has had tens of thousands of words printed about it in every newspaper, and has not been extensively discussed on national radio and television!!

This is not a conspiracy theory it is FACT. Everyone knows what has gone on, yet so many of you refuse to set any discussion of Dublin and their players achievements within that most necessary context as if, contrary to every known study on sport, the GAA is different and access to huge amounts of money at all levels for a county's GAA setup does not matter to a team's success! To say nothing of home advantage, competition structures skewed to favouring them etc.

I never claimed money was all it took; I have never claimed Dublin are some rag-tag of journey men that were made superstars by Croke Park cheques. They would have won plenty this past ten years. But they would never have dominated to this unprecedented extent if it wasn't for the FACT that they are so hugely funded in comparison to anyone else. Not just the nearly rans but also everyone of their main rivals.

We are not talking about one county just manging to get, through their own endeavours, a little more than their main rivals. We are talking about one county being systematically funded 20 times that of their nearest rival (by Croke Park money alone). That's not even considering the rest of the funding they received from State agencies or the massive commercial revenue they are allowed. But somehow that has not made any difference?

Somehow having a development officer attached to every school or club while other counties have 1 or 2 covering multiple clubs/schools across massive geographical areas is not a benefit. Somehow being able to pay for a small army of backroom personal with expertise on every possible facet of sport science is not a help? Somehow paid expert coaching all the way up does not make players better?

The fact so many of you refuse to accept this simple point is very worrying for the future of this sport. Whatever about the Dubs, I'd be fascinated to understand the mentality behind this from some of the rest of you.
I could actually stomach some of the Dubs on here if even one was gracious enough to acknowledge the massive funding imbalance has contributed to Dublin's success. But no, they refuse to accept that incredibly basic premise because they know deep down how much truth there is to it.

Sam1884 you've posted some more utter guff earlier. You claim that all this is some Kerry orchestrated witch-hunt at a national level?? I'm sorry Sam can you explain to me what Kerry people run RTE, or the Irish Times or the Independent etc etc. Is Kevin McStay from Kerry, I never knew that. I know Colm Parkinson played with IT Tralee for a couple of years maybe that makes him a Kerryman too. That's just to pick two critical voices among so many in the GAA world.

You go to any GAA clubhouse or pub in Ireland today outside of Dublin and you'll hear plenty of people discussing this issue and being angry and frustrated (as I most certainly am) about how one county has been privileged and facilitated to win above all others.

Which brings me to another point, the constant stupidity on here by claiming anything critical of Dublin is a "thread getting hijacked and descending into a Kerry/Dublin thing".

This is not a Kerry/Dublin thing, it is a fundamental crisis in the inter-county game, it's a Dublin v every other county and the future sustainability of the All Ireland as a concept thing.

And just because on here a few Kerry posters are vocal on the subject (as we should be) will you stop trying to paint it as that as a childish way of trying to belittle anyone wanting to discuss a fundamental crisis in the GAA.

It is absolutely pathetic that so many of you can't simply deal with dissenting voices and have the utter inability to take accept opposing viewpoints and opinions that challenge your perceptions. Even when what they are discussing is a well know issue that been constantly highlighted far and wide! But that's the twitter generation I suppose.

So you can all go back to convincing yourself that anything critical said about Dublin is just the ravings of embittered Kerrymen and no one else - in the same way you can convince yourself climate change is a lie because, sure wasn't the weather this summer crap!!

Finally, can you people all stop with the, "oh your letting yourself/your county down there with this" garbage. I'm a poster on an internet forum. From time to time I like to speak my mind and share my opinion.

What I posted was, in my opinion, completely relevant to any discussion on how Dublin's players should be judge compared to their opponents.

I am not here to "represent" Kerry's good name or tradition or by my thoughts reinforce or challenge your perceptions of what Kerry GAA is. Do some of you ever actually read this crap you write before you post it?!!

Do you think I should be ashamed or made to feel I can't express a perfectly reasonable opinion because what a bunch of strangers behind a keyboard might think about me (and aren't slow in telling me the same)? To those people on here I'll say this, I couldn't give a damn what you might think of me and I think its quite worrying that you are obviously so concerned what strangers on an internet forum might think of you that you would believe anyone would be worried by you telling them what your personal opinion of them is!

For example, if I judged Dublin GAA fans by what most Dublin posters write on here, I'd cross the road to avoid them after every game. Thankfully Hoganstand and the real world are a good bit different.

So to sum up, I gave an opinion that I feel is relevant to judging Dublin's success and that of their players.

If you want I can spend 20mins on google supplying links to dozens of pieces on the current situation between Dublin and funding for those of you who lived under a rock these past 4 years and have no idea what is going on.

And lastly just because there is a certain brigade of posters on here that like to act as the thought police- shouting down/belittling/insulting anyone that doesn't conform to their worldview - that isn't going to stop me expressing a valid point or opinion as troubling as some of you seem to find it.

But if your all so worried about myself and my vile propaganda why don't you organise a petition to ban me - it might make you all feel better."

Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "[quote=catch22:  "[quote=TheHermit:  "Well no surprise to see the reaction to my post from some of the usual suspects.

This is all I'm going to say on the matter and I'll leave it at that.

First, please point out anything that I have said that is wrong, or inaccurate, or is made up and plain lies?
You see the "shout you down for dare bringing up a well known and heavily reported issue" brigade on here would like to portray anyone critical of Dublin and their dominance as some mad crackpot, "tinfoil hat wearing" conspiracy theorist. You'd swear I was discussing something that wasn't based in FACT, that hasn't been well known for years and that isn't an issue that has had tens of thousands of words printed about it in every newspaper, and has not been extensively discussed on national radio and television!!

This is not a conspiracy theory it is FACT. Everyone knows what has gone on, yet so many of you refuse to set any discussion of Dublin and their players achievements within that most necessary context as if, contrary to every known study on sport, the GAA is different and access to huge amounts of money at all levels for a county's GAA setup does not matter to a team's success! To say nothing of home advantage, competition structures skewed to favouring them etc.

I never claimed money was all it took; I have never claimed Dublin are some rag-tag of journey men that were made superstars by Croke Park cheques. They would have won plenty this past ten years. But they would never have dominated to this unprecedented extent if it wasn't for the FACT that they are so hugely funded in comparison to anyone else. Not just the nearly rans but also everyone of their main rivals.

We are not talking about one county just manging to get, through their own endeavours, a little more than their main rivals. We are talking about one county being systematically funded 20 times that of their nearest rival (by Croke Park money alone). That's not even considering the rest of the funding they received from State agencies or the massive commercial revenue they are allowed. But somehow that has not made any difference?

Somehow having a development officer attached to every school or club while other counties have 1 or 2 covering multiple clubs/schools across massive geographical areas is not a benefit. Somehow being able to pay for a small army of backroom personal with expertise on every possible facet of sport science is not a help? Somehow paid expert coaching all the way up does not make players better?

The fact so many of you refuse to accept this simple point is very worrying for the future of this sport. Whatever about the Dubs, I'd be fascinated to understand the mentality behind this from some of the rest of you.
I could actually stomach some of the Dubs on here if even one was gracious enough to acknowledge the massive funding imbalance has contributed to Dublin's success. But no, they refuse to accept that incredibly basic premise because they know deep down how much truth there is to it.

Sam1884 you've posted some more utter guff earlier. You claim that all this is some Kerry orchestrated witch-hunt at a national level?? I'm sorry Sam can you explain to me what Kerry people run RTE, or the Irish Times or the Independent etc etc. Is Kevin McStay from Kerry, I never knew that. I know Colm Parkinson played with IT Tralee for a couple of years maybe that makes him a Kerryman too. That's just to pick two critical voices among so many in the GAA world.

You go to any GAA clubhouse or pub in Ireland today outside of Dublin and you'll hear plenty of people discussing this issue and being angry and frustrated (as I most certainly am) about how one county has been privileged and facilitated to win above all others.

Which brings me to another point, the constant stupidity on here by claiming anything critical of Dublin is a "thread getting hijacked and descending into a Kerry/Dublin thing".

This is not a Kerry/Dublin thing, it is a fundamental crisis in the inter-county game, it's a Dublin v every other county and the future sustainability of the All Ireland as a concept thing.

And just because on here a few Kerry posters are vocal on the subject (as we should be) will you stop trying to paint it as that as a childish way of trying to belittle anyone wanting to discuss a fundamental crisis in the GAA.

It is absolutely pathetic that so many of you can't simply deal with dissenting voices and have the utter inability to take accept opposing viewpoints and opinions that challenge your perceptions. Even when what they are discussing is a well know issue that been constantly highlighted far and wide! But that's the twitter generation I suppose.

So you can all go back to convincing yourself that anything critical said about Dublin is just the ravings of embittered Kerrymen and no one else - in the same way you can convince yourself climate change is a lie because, sure wasn't the weather this summer crap!!

Finally, can you people all stop with the, "oh your letting yourself/your county down there with this" garbage. I'm a poster on an internet forum. From time to time I like to speak my mind and share my opinion.

What I posted was, in my opinion, completely relevant to any discussion on how Dublin's players should be judge compared to their opponents.

I am not here to "represent" Kerry's good name or tradition or by my thoughts reinforce or challenge your perceptions of what Kerry GAA is. Do some of you ever actually read this crap you write before you post it?!!

Do you think I should be ashamed or made to feel I can't express a perfectly reasonable opinion because what a bunch of strangers behind a keyboard might think about me (and aren't slow in telling me the same)? To those people on here I'll say this, I couldn't give a damn what you might think of me and I think its quite worrying that you are obviously so concerned what strangers on an internet forum might think of you that you would believe anyone would be worried by you telling them what your personal opinion of them is!

For example, if I judged Dublin GAA fans by what most Dublin posters write on here, I'd cross the road to avoid them after every game. Thankfully Hoganstand and the real world are a good bit different.

So to sum up, I gave an opinion that I feel is relevant to judging Dublin's success and that of their players.

If you want I can spend 20mins on google supplying links to dozens of pieces on the current situation between Dublin and funding for those of you who lived under a rock these past 4 years and have no idea what is going on.

And lastly just because there is a certain brigade of posters on here that like to act as the thought police- shouting down/belittling/insulting anyone that doesn't conform to their worldview - that isn't going to stop me expressing a valid point or opinion as troubling as some of you seem to find it.

But if your all so worried about myself and my vile propaganda why don't you organise a petition to ban me - it might make you all feel better."