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It's my opinion that the national broadcaster wants to go down the route of political correctness full stop, it's my opinion again that like him or not "Brolly" became a catch phrase as well as becoming controversial he almost became as big as the Sunday game show. I will hazard a guess and say he wasn't a full blown politically correct person, more likely he was shall we say politically correct as required, the bland bit didn't suit him, - as a viewer it didn't suit me either. The gaa is deep rooted in our culture and was in existence a lot of years before RTE came along, it's fair to say that RTE is a state sponsored / owned broadcaster, however, it is also fair to say without the gaa RTE may have struggled financially and otherwise after all it's amateur players like Brolly, Whelan, Spillane, O'Rourke etc, etc, etc, that made the Sunday game possible, they in turn became pundits, the pundits gave us their view's and opinions on the game in question, their opinions sometimes became heated, self-opinionated and controversial, and that is where the presenter intervenes shall we say to realign things. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 01/09/2020 11:45:24 2290061 Link 1 |
Some like him some don't but articulate and great communicator are attributes you can't deny of a barrister and good football analyst. The reason it's "bad manners and rudeness" to some is they want to watch a scripted, boring show where nobody is allowed to speak the truth or give an opinion - a show that has three guests nodding and agreeing to everything they're told to say. Thankfully not every media in Ireland wants this type of show or written product so Brolly will do just fine as long as he wants to give his analysis. The commercial companies within the legal framework want experts to have room to give an opinion and Brolly fits that bill. I think he will be a better analysist outside the comfines of RTE.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 707 - 01/09/2020 17:11:09 2290105 Link 1 |
Being an ignoramus and rude has nothing to do with the script. Call it for it it is trying to be relevant.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 979 - 01/09/2020 18:30:18 2290118 Link 1 |
I think this thread has reached it's sell by date, time to pull the plug. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 01/09/2020 20:04:45 2290127 Link 0 |
I agree ... wait a minute ... I've just spotted that "supersub15" is a non-anagram of Declan McBennett.
DubSanIarthar (Dublin) - Posts: 19 - 01/09/2020 21:58:36 2290137 Link 0 |
and resurrect it in a new form, when the time is right because RTE ain't got access to a pot of gold I'm afraid
eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 129 - 01/09/2020 22:02:19 2290138 Link 0 |
supersub15 is very original, it's "anagram" proof, and user friendly, - - - now where is that plug.?
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 01/09/2020 23:07:46 2290142 Link 0 |
RTE will have access to plenty of gold when they slash the "Winning streak" prize money. - - - keep the faith.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 01/09/2020 23:13:47 2290143 Link 0 |
I respect your views as everyone is entitled to an opinion which is always the best way! However whilst some will agree with you Brolly's new and upcoming contracts since leaving the Sunday game show not all agree with you - other media outlets certainly don't agree with you which maybe gives an indication of how good he is for outlets who want more than people nodding along to a script.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 707 - 02/09/2020 09:45:02 2290157 Link 1 |
The Sunday Game hasn't recovered from Michael Lyster's departure. He was able to keep an order of sorts with Brolly, Spillane, O'Rourke while still maintaining interest, respect and integrity. I believe the old hands lot a bit of interest and focus after Lyster left. Joanne Cantwell gave the impression of a humourless school teacher, and still does, who was out to make a point particularly with Brolly. She antagonised him and I don't think Joe took her serious as a presenter. Maybe a parting of the ways was the best thing. I don't know this McBennett character but the Sunday Game is dreadful now, it has no soul, it is mind numbing boring with Stepford Wives opinions. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9294 - 02/09/2020 17:30:15 2290251 Link 5 |
But Lyster wasnt able to keep an order on Brolly etc. Cantwell is an excellent presenter. If Brolly didnt take Cantwell seriously then thats on him.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 02/09/2020 17:51:20 2290258 Link 0 |
Lyster's day was the golden era of the Sunday game and we'll realise that more in the years ahead. I suspect he was strong and successful enough to run the show how he wanted as he knew what was successful. Lyster was the Sunday game and no head of sport or anybody else at RTE would get away with controlling how he should do his job. My guess is the show is more controlled nowadays well away from the actual studio and there is significant limitations to the direction it can take. The entertaining, opinionated but controlled debates Lyster could oversee in the hurling and football shows are long gone and as a result there probably isn't room for the likes of Brolly, but he'll do well elsewhere as he is already showing whilst more and more people watch the Sunday game on demand by skipping past the actual analysis straight to the action. The Sunday game will sadly become quite a boring insignificant show; certainly not a part of the GAA weekend to the same extent as previous years unless they can unearth a new model that goes with their new ethos. Less conversation, less formal and reduced guests would be a good start replaced by more action if they don't want opinions. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 707 - 02/09/2020 19:51:55 2290274 Link 0 |
The Sunday Game wont be a part of the GAA weekend like it was in the past but there is so many more options like social media and podcasts etc that help play a part as well. Lyster let many of the panelists loose and didnt moderate the discussion anywhere near enough. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 02/09/2020 20:59:46 2290283 Link 0 |
I think the Sunday game is such an institution in Irish society it would have survived and took on the new social media culture. The Sunday game under Lyster was as popular the last show he presented as it was the past 20 years; there was no issue with the show and it's popularity was at a consistent peak. Yes some didn't agree with the content but hundreds of thousands consistently tuned in and the shows were talked about for days after and it was very much part of the GAA weekend. I don't blame Lyster leaving or the actual people in the studio; the show could have went through the post Lyster transition but the direction of the show changed; obviously they could change it without Lyster's intervention. You're correct it isn't part of the GAA weekend any longer as people are ambivilant if they tune in or not and go for more opinionated, off the cuff, genuine unscripted conversation on social media/radio/podcasts. Ironically ideas taken from the successful SG days but ideas the SG believe people don't want now for some reason. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 707 - 02/09/2020 22:02:28 2290298 Link 1 |
Maybe the Sunday Game Live could remarket itself by having their live game(s) being given minimal attention on the nighttime show. If viewers were aware that they could only watch 90 seconds of highlights from a report of those games (on the Sunday Game on a Sunday night at least), they would be more likely to tune in for at least some of the match in the afternoon. eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 129 - 02/09/2020 23:33:29 2290307 Link 0 |
That's definitely worthy of consideration and could also improve the quality of the highlights shown. Most fans who don't see them live, record the entire matches now anyway as skipping through it gives a much better impression of the game. Personally, I think that the edited highlights for the SG are really badly put together. It's obviously impossible to show every score in 10-15 minutes of highlights ... but I still think that they show way too many. They used to show action replays of every score too which was just crazy in terms of time wasting. They've improved that in the past couple of years not showing replays of every score but still too many in my opinion - I think that only goals and exceptional point should be replayed. The problem with only showing certain scores is that it's hard for the viewer to get a feel for the game. Sometimes they can screw it up so badly that if you don't know the score in advance, you can be left unsure of the result at the end of the highlights. I remember a couple of recent games where they skipped showing a couple of scores towards the end of a game and the viewer was left with the impression of a different result than the actual result (I'm not great for details but one was a league match which Kerry won by a point but the last point shown was the other team scoring what seemed to be an equaliser). I would much prefer to see less scores (and less replays) and longer spells of uninterrupted play where the viewer gets a greater feel for a game and also key turning points in a game ... and in the case of an exciting tight finish to try to show as much unedited highlights of that as the allotted time allows. A good template for what I'm suggesting would be the BBC's highlights of Wimbledon where key parts of a match are shown unedited. In the case of many GAA games, you could sacrifice much of the early first half skirmishes to show longer sequences late in the first half when often teams can get a key advantage ... if the third quarter is key to deciding the result show as much of that as possible ... otherwise concentrate mainly on the endgame .... or something like that. Obviously every game is different so would be treated differently .... but the current format doesn't do it for me, leaving the debate on the bland punditry aside. DubSanIarthar (Dublin) - Posts: 19 - 03/09/2020 10:34:48 2290331 Link 0 |
link GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5955 - 03/09/2020 11:06:33 2290347 Link 7 |
link GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5955 - 05/09/2020 16:59:18 2290695 Link 4 |
RTE is a closed shop full stop, knowing who gets what job is as predictable as knowing that it's going to rain sooner rather than later. Knowing who was going to take over from Michael Lyster and Sean O'Rourke in advance belittled the job, it also belittled those hoping to be selected for consideration, apparently there is no openness and transparency within the system. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 07/09/2020 15:39:46 2291005 Link 3 |
I think vets call it neutering. Taking away that which drives the fire and instinct. The Sunday Game, football version, may as well now be called Eunuch Sunday. It is awful beyond belief. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9294 - 08/09/2020 03:38:40 2291073 Link 2 |