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Replying To catch22: "With his knowledge of the game perhaps he has seen enough to have formed that opinion.
Who would be better than him at RTE ?" So you agree with him?
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Replying To TheFlaker: "So you agree with him?" Well I wouldn't disagree with a lot of what he says. Anyway, who have RTE got that is better ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 30/08/2020 17:59:45
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Sorry for the interruption, just on put this on file with other similar comments on the Sunday game.
RTE HEAD of Sport Declan McBennett has said that the decision to not renew Joe Brolly's contract with the broadcaster was decided before the All-Ireland drawn final between Dublin and Kerry.
Brolly had been a mainstay on the national broadcaster for its GAA coverage.
Joe Brolly received a warning from RTÉ for his conduct on All-Ireland final day for telling Pat Spillane to "stop patting" him.
He either received a warning or he didn't , however if Joe was female how would it have been seen.
He also said he was told that Joanne Cantwell, presenter of The Sunday Game Live, had "lost confidence" in his abilities as an analyst.
Joanne is barely in the presenters chair a wet week and she tell's Joe Brolly with almost 20 years' experience of analyzing games that she had lost confidence in his ability to analyse.
My question is why did Mc Bennett bring the issue to the surface again in Saturdays Indo. Joe then replied with his version in today's Indo. A bit of variance between both, me thinks.
Joe claims that Declan McBennett never like him from day one, it looks as if Joanne Cantwell didn't like Joe either.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 30/08/2020 23:26:31
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Replying To supersub15: "Sorry for the interruption, just on put this on file with other similar comments on the Sunday game.
RTE HEAD of Sport Declan McBennett has said that the decision to not renew Joe Brolly's contract with the broadcaster was decided before the All-Ireland drawn final between Dublin and Kerry.
Brolly had been a mainstay on the national broadcaster for its GAA coverage.
Joe Brolly received a warning from RTÉ for his conduct on All-Ireland final day for telling Pat Spillane to "stop patting" him.
He either received a warning or he didn't , however if Joe was female how would it have been seen.
He also said he was told that Joanne Cantwell, presenter of The Sunday Game Live, had "lost confidence" in his abilities as an analyst.
Joanne is barely in the presenters chair a wet week and she tell's Joe Brolly with almost 20 years' experience of analyzing games that she had lost confidence in his ability to analyse.
My question is why did Mc Bennett bring the issue to the surface again in Saturdays Indo. Joe then replied with his version in today's Indo. A bit of variance between both, me thinks.
Joe claims that Declan McBennett never like him from day one, it looks as if Joanne Cantwell didn't like Joe either." One telling point Joe made was that McBennett asked the RTE Panel to model themselves on the excellent performances of the SKY punters. According to Joe, these splendid artisans attracted a derisory audience of all of 2000 viewers.
Oldertourman (Limerick) - Posts: 162 - 31/08/2020 10:02:12
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Joe is only in it for Joe, and once he can keep himself in the news the rest is immaterial
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1583 - 31/08/2020 10:06:38
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Replying To Oldertourman: "One telling point Joe made was that McBennett asked the RTE Panel to model themselves on the excellent performances of the SKY punters. According to Joe, these splendid artisans attracted a derisory audience of all of 2000 viewers." Sky actually had better analysis. The viewing figures are not down to the pundits. There are a load of reasons Sky has low figures. Some of them pretty obvious.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6893 - 31/08/2020 12:24:02
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Replying To supersub15: "Sorry for the interruption, just on put this on file with other similar comments on the Sunday game.
RTE HEAD of Sport Declan McBennett has said that the decision to not renew Joe Brolly's contract with the broadcaster was decided before the All-Ireland drawn final between Dublin and Kerry.
Brolly had been a mainstay on the national broadcaster for its GAA coverage.
Joe Brolly received a warning from RTÉ for his conduct on All-Ireland final day for telling Pat Spillane to "stop patting" him.
He either received a warning or he didn't , however if Joe was female how would it have been seen.
He also said he was told that Joanne Cantwell, presenter of The Sunday Game Live, had "lost confidence" in his abilities as an analyst.
Joanne is barely in the presenters chair a wet week and she tell's Joe Brolly with almost 20 years' experience of analyzing games that she had lost confidence in his ability to analyse.
My question is why did Mc Bennett bring the issue to the surface again in Saturdays Indo. Joe then replied with his version in today's Indo. A bit of variance between both, me thinks.
Joe claims that Declan McBennett never like him from day one, it looks as if Joanne Cantwell didn't like Joe either." I agree with my Carlow friend
Why was this even brought up on Saturday, as Head of section in the national broadcaster, the wisest thing is say nothing,
whether you like Joe or not, I don't think it is very professional discussing an employee like that
cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1589 - 31/08/2020 12:47:37
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Replying To cuchulainn35: "I agree with my Carlow friend
Why was this even brought up on Saturday, as Head of section in the national broadcaster, the wisest thing is say nothing,
whether you like Joe or not, I don't think it is very professional discussing an employee like that" Yes indeed. McBennett himself showed very poor judgement, in this case. As Bobby Kennedy once said, in certain situations 'you never complain and never explain'. This was one such case.
Oldertourman (Limerick) - Posts: 162 - 31/08/2020 15:38:36
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Mícheál Ó Domhnaill From TG4 is excellent and his pundits really know there football and I enjoyed Matt Cooper when he presented the football on TV 3 years ago, he had Peter the great and Darragh O'sé and it had the right amount of analysis and humor.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 31/08/2020 17:43:07
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Not that i watch the RTE show on a regular basis anymore but when I do watch it I cant help but notice how serious most of the panelists are. There's little room for humour left on the show. All very wooden and rehearsed.
Neville and Carragher do a decent job in the soccer of maintaining a healthy banter after being competitive enemies for years on the field. Theyre not afraid to throw curveballs at each other on live TV. Sean Cavanagh sounds like he's still on an interview for the job always trying to say the 'right' thing instead of just shooting the breeze a bit more. Its hard to watch at the best of times! My advice would be to develop healthy rivalries in the studio. There are previous rivalries there with the likes of O'Se, Cavanagh, Whelan etc but if you were new to the sport you'd probably think they just met through RTE.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2020 - 31/08/2020 18:08:25
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Replying To SaffronDon: "Not that i watch the RTE show on a regular basis anymore but when I do watch it I cant help but notice how serious most of the panelists are. There's little room for humour left on the show. All very wooden and rehearsed.
Neville and Carragher do a decent job in the soccer of maintaining a healthy banter after being competitive enemies for years on the field. Theyre not afraid to throw curveballs at each other on live TV. Sean Cavanagh sounds like he's still on an interview for the job always trying to say the 'right' thing instead of just shooting the breeze a bit more. Its hard to watch at the best of times! My advice would be to develop healthy rivalries in the studio. There are previous rivalries there with the likes of O'Se, Cavanagh, Whelan etc but if you were new to the sport you'd probably think they just met through RTE." I'm still getting over the dissapointment of Séan Cavanagh's punditry on the Sunday Game. Going by his playing style I was hoping he'd be tough, uncompromising and quick thinking. But it seems when he arrived in Montrose they reminded him that he's an accountant.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5955 - 31/08/2020 18:53:33
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Replying To GreenandRed: "I'm still getting over the dissapointment of Séan Cavanagh's punditry on the Sunday Game. Going by his playing style I was hoping he'd be tough, uncompromising and quick thinking. But it seems when he arrived in Montrose they reminded him that he's an accountant." Lol indeed! Perhaps the 'don't give up your day job' quote is appropriate for him. I hope im wrong bit it seems that way.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2020 - 31/08/2020 19:52:29
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Mícheál Ó Domhnaill From TG4 is excellent and his pundits really know there football and I enjoyed Matt Cooper when he presented the football on TV 3 years ago, he had Peter the great and Darragh O'sé and it had the right amount of analysis and humor." Oh dear God no, Matt was absolutely horrendous presenting GAA, Champions League and rugby for TV3 (although I like him on political stuff). If Virgin Media got the rights back again, they would either give the presenting gig to Tommy Martin, Joe Molloy or another guy from the OTB team at Newstalk because I think they were wanting to get rid of Cooper for a while, before they did with the Six Nations coverage.
eoghan6688 (Galway) - Posts: 129 - 31/08/2020 20:39:36
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Replying To eoghan6688: "Oh dear God no, Matt was absolutely horrendous presenting GAA, Champions League and rugby for TV3 (although I like him on political stuff). If Virgin Media got the rights back again, they would either give the presenting gig to Tommy Martin, Joe Molloy or another guy from the OTB team at Newstalk because I think they were wanting to get rid of Cooper for a while, before they did with the Six Nations coverage." Totally agree. No chance of cooper and it'd be most likely one of those you mention...
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 31/08/2020 20:57:47
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Replying To supersub15: "Sorry for the interruption, just on put this on file with other similar comments on the Sunday game.
RTE HEAD of Sport Declan McBennett has said that the decision to not renew Joe Brolly's contract with the broadcaster was decided before the All-Ireland drawn final between Dublin and Kerry.
Brolly had been a mainstay on the national broadcaster for its GAA coverage.
Joe Brolly received a warning from RTÉ for his conduct on All-Ireland final day for telling Pat Spillane to "stop patting" him.
He either received a warning or he didn't , however if Joe was female how would it have been seen.
He also said he was told that Joanne Cantwell, presenter of The Sunday Game Live, had "lost confidence" in his abilities as an analyst.
Joanne is barely in the presenters chair a wet week and she tell's Joe Brolly with almost 20 years' experience of analyzing games that she had lost confidence in his ability to analyse.
My question is why did Mc Bennett bring the issue to the surface again in Saturdays Indo. Joe then replied with his version in today's Indo. A bit of variance between both, me thinks.
Joe claims that Declan McBennett never like him from day one, it looks as if Joanne Cantwell didn't like Joe either." My guess is RTE thought the Sunday game is the only show in town and the only reason Brolly got a chance to have a view. There was a touch of arrogance in they thought Brolly would disappear from GAA coverage after they chased him.
The reality couldn't be further from the truth as they made Brolly more popular than when he was on the show. He has also been given and is due to be given more platforms to critique the Sunday game show - a show they now want to be scripted and not opinionated.
Having such a great communicator like Brolly on the outside could be very difficult for them - it's likely the reason the head of sport seen the need to talk to Irish indo. As we seen from Brolly's response RTE will not win a debate with Brolly due to his articulate nature and he has the potential if he wanted to (not sure he will) to make people question the current quality or lack of Sunday game policy/content. There is many media outlets especially written who may encourage his views as we're already starting to see as the Sunday game is still the most popular GAA show in the country and having it critiqued weekly could increase readers.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 707 - 31/08/2020 21:33:40
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Replying To eoghan6688: "Oh dear God no, Matt was absolutely horrendous presenting GAA, Champions League and rugby for TV3 (although I like him on political stuff). If Virgin Media got the rights back again, they would either give the presenting gig to Tommy Martin, Joe Molloy or another guy from the OTB team at Newstalk because I think they were wanting to get rid of Cooper for a while, before they did with the Six Nations coverage." Ah feck no, I thought Matt was excellent, he knew how to ask the hard questions and made the analysists sweat a bit.
One of the best had to be bill ó"Herlihy, he came out with some funny off the cuff stuff.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 31/08/2020 21:52:41
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Really interesting and entertaining posts on this one (RTÉ please take note). It seems that the consensus is that much of the analysis on RTÉ has been bland over the years and that this new guy is intent of extracting whatever flavour was left in it (I've yet to read the two articles cited earlier).
I wonder does the fact that soccer analysts have spent much of their professional career in England enable them to be less concerned about offending all the sensitivities that are out there? ... and the GAA clann can be uber-sensitive. It also obviously makes a difference that soccer is a professional sport. I think that there's more to it than that though. During the golden years of the soccer panel, it seemed as if a lot of editorial freedom was given to them. Dunphy claimed that it was the erosion of this that convinced him to go when he did. The soccer panels in full flow were absolutely compelling viewing.
I'm not so sure if the GAA panels were ever given the same editorial leeway as their soccer counterparts. Maybe they didn't look for it? It's such a pity that it has always been so formulaic. It could be brilliant. Brolly, love him or loathe him, tried to get away from the formula, but the editors obviously didn't like this. As one poster mentioned, it's a pity that a panel wasn't established with more social cohesion ... with great analysis but also an emotional connection ... be that positive or negative. I personally think that Brolly could've been part of such a 'dream team' and made the pre-, in- and post- match analysis a huge draw for both the avid fan and the casual observer.
Another observation that I'd make in relation to the soccer panels is that poor analysts didn't last too long ... even if they were big names in the game. This has certainly not been the case with the GAA panels.
DubSanIarthar (Dublin) - Posts: 19 - 31/08/2020 22:02:05
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Replying To sam1884: "My guess is RTE thought the Sunday game is the only show in town and the only reason Brolly got a chance to have a view. There was a touch of arrogance in they thought Brolly would disappear from GAA coverage after they chased him.
The reality couldn't be further from the truth as they made Brolly more popular than when he was on the show. He has also been given and is due to be given more platforms to critique the Sunday game show - a show they now want to be scripted and not opinionated.
Having such a great communicator like Brolly on the outside could be very difficult for them - it's likely the reason the head of sport seen the need to talk to Irish indo. As we seen from Brolly's response RTE will not win a debate with Brolly due to his articulate nature and he has the potential if he wanted to (not sure he will) to make people question the current quality or lack of Sunday game policy/content. There is many media outlets especially written who may encourage his views as we're already starting to see as the Sunday game is still the most popular GAA show in the country and having it critiqued weekly could increase readers." That is the best joke I have heard in a long time. Using the words "great communicator" and "articulate nature " as compliments for Joe Brolly. Joe was and is a knowledgeable football analyst but it was lack of these other attributes that made him a pain to put up with as a viewer. He will wear out his welcome where he is now also when he crosses the line with an attack on someone. The leopard does not changes its spots. Unfortunately Joe probable believes that bad manners and rudeness is his strength.
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Replying To GreenandRed: "I'm still getting over the dissapointment of Séan Cavanagh's punditry on the Sunday Game. Going by his playing style I was hoping he'd be tough, uncompromising and quick thinking. But it seems when he arrived in Montrose they reminded him that he's an accountant." I can see Michael Murphy taking on the same role as Cavanagh when he retires, and possibly wrestling a lot of screen time from him. He has obviously taken some media training when you compare his performances on the couch with his interviews earlier in his career.
Like Cavanagh, played under a number of highly tactical managers over the last 15 years and has played every position from half back to full forward.
He has impressed in the few appearances so far, but so do many new pundits in their maiden outings.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 195 - 01/09/2020 09:58:53
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "I can see Michael Murphy taking on the same role as Cavanagh when he retires, and possibly wrestling a lot of screen time from him. He has obviously taken some media training when you compare his performances on the couch with his interviews earlier in his career.
Like Cavanagh, played under a number of highly tactical managers over the last 15 years and has played every position from half back to full forward.
He has impressed in the few appearances so far, but so do many new pundits in their maiden outings." I don't think Michael would make a good pundit, he'd be a great manager for us though in the future, fellas would run through brick walls for him he is so well respected and highly thought off, a natural leader if ever there was one. he'd be wasted sitting on a couch in RTE.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 01/09/2020 11:19:22
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