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Replying To updwell:  "I agree 100% we have to learn to live responsibly with Covid and try to get back to normality sensibly and carefully. However I think you're being overly negative about a vaccine timeline as every scientific resource on the planet is being thrown at this. More and more manpower is being used and paperwork and regulatory matters are being signed off within days rather than waiting around for 3-6 months. It's not cutting corners, it's just prioritising these possible vaccines. Treatments will also improve."
I don't think it's a case of being negative but I am curious. Now I understand that it's all hands on deck for this vaccine but again, just from reading various different sources, vaccines appear to take at least 5 years from start to finish, but often longer than that.

Now look I'm in no way qualified to talk about medicine and I understand you can rush regulatory matters (which isn't necessarily always a good thing by the way) but I wouldn't have thought that you can't rush the comprehensive collection of scientific data.

The effects of a vaccine surely need to be tried and tested over a long period of time to prove that it's both safe and effective. I don't think a year or 2 is really enough time, especially when it's drastically quicker than the average timeframe!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 09/08/2020 16:37:18    2287000

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Replying To jobber:  "Points very well made.The Inter-County season could be played though as only 5% of players involved. The problem will be with the cost and no income."
Nail on head with more than likely no crowds.
It would be the cost to run it with no income doubt sky setanta will be overly pushed with soccer season in full swing October to December.
They may end up showing ur County play on a YouTube/Facebook channel with so many games on at same time for a fiver hardly a money maker.

OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1491 - 09/08/2020 16:54:45    2287002

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Replying To Htaem:  "I don't think it's a case of being negative but I am curious. Now I understand that it's all hands on deck for this vaccine but again, just from reading various different sources, vaccines appear to take at least 5 years from start to finish, but often longer than that.

Now look I'm in no way qualified to talk about medicine and I understand you can rush regulatory matters (which isn't necessarily always a good thing by the way) but I wouldn't have thought that you can't rush the comprehensive collection of scientific data.

The effects of a vaccine surely need to be tried and tested over a long period of time to prove that it's both safe and effective. I don't think a year or 2 is really enough time, especially when it's drastically quicker than the average timeframe!"
I should say I wouldn't have thought that you can rush the comprehensive collection of scientific data.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 09/08/2020 17:29:56    2287004

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "3-4 years will just about take me to the biblical threescore and ten.

Sure - I want a longer life. But I don't want it to just seem longer."
Your not long retired so old stock, it's understandable that you'd want to be out playing a bit of golf and meeting your friends down the club watching a a match, it's the little things that keep us ticking over, what good is life if you can't live it and enjoy it.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 09/08/2020 21:37:09    2287027

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Replying To OhtobeARossie:  "Nail on head with more than likely no crowds.
It would be the cost to run it with no income doubt sky setanta will be overly pushed with soccer season in full swing October to December.
They may end up showing ur County play on a YouTube/Facebook channel with so many games on at same time for a fiver hardly a money maker."
if the country is still in some sort of lockdown and pubs are closed and supporters not allowed go to the games...is there really any point in playing it as it will have lost its social meaning as everyone will just be sitting at home on their own watching it.

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1481 - 09/08/2020 23:04:30    2287038

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "if the country is still in some sort of lockdown and pubs are closed and supporters not allowed go to the games...is there really any point in playing it as it will have lost its social meaning as everyone will just be sitting at home on their own watching it."
Yes they're would be a point, the players are the most important stakeholder, they competitors 1st and foremost and as many players have said a behind closed doors championship is better than no championship.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2602 - 10/08/2020 00:08:34    2287045

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Your not long retired so old stock, it's understandable that you'd want to be out playing a bit of golf and meeting your friends down the club watching a a match, it's the little things that keep us ticking over, what good is life if you can't live it and enjoy it."
Ach - at the end of the day, we'll do what we have to do.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 369 - 10/08/2020 07:32:51    2287058

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "Ach - at the end of the day, we'll do what we have to do."
100%.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 10/08/2020 10:20:26    2287075

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Its impossible to call really and impossible to project what the situation will be in just under three months time, though im on record as saying Oct was always a poor time to plan to play this off given the carnage of Flu season.

If the majority of club championships come off without to much evidence of risk, then inter-county is a smaller breath of players really, so not impossible. You imagine at this stage behind close doors the most likely scenario and the GAA rebating season tickets is a tacit admittance of this i think.

I dont like the feel of it really as a Championship and feels a bit like a watered down championship, and an unfairly balanced one. Doesn't or wouldn't feel like a real one to me. But if nothing else would give Dessie a transition year to get his feet under the table. Even if doesn't come off there are worst spots to be in then another year celebrating 5 in a row."
Ah sure the old structure is bound to feel weird to you since you only started following the game in 2011 but you'll get used to it and we might all have to get used to it again.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 10/08/2020 10:23:18    2287076

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Replying To wexico15:  "Yes they're would be a point, the players are the most important stakeholder, they competitors 1st and foremost and as many players have said a behind closed doors championship is better than no championship."
even if it cripples counties financially so that clubs have to suffer by paying increased fees for the next few years? Thelikes of antrim, offaly, wicklow, leitrim, etc will spend 100's of thousands on readying their football team with no hope of silverware and no revenue or fundraisers to recoup those costs.

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1481 - 10/08/2020 19:41:29    2287165

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "even if it cripples counties financially so that clubs have to suffer by paying increased fees for the next few years? Thelikes of antrim, offaly, wicklow, leitrim, etc will spend 100's of thousands on readying their football team with no hope of silverware and no revenue or fundraisers to recoup those costs."
That's completely getting away from your original point, you were suggesting there's no point playing the championship as pubs would be closed and the whole social aspect will be lost for supporters, county board finances and potential knock on's of that is a whole different debate.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2602 - 12/08/2020 01:28:40    2287293

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Replying To wexico15:  "That's completely getting away from your original point, you were suggesting there's no point playing the championship as pubs would be closed and the whole social aspect will be lost for supporters, county board finances and potential knock on's of that is a whole different debate."
You replied about the players, not about the social aspect so I just outlined another reason. You could play and televise senior, intermediate and junior provionsial and all ireland competitions instead of just intercounty games and you would include more players per county and have more competitive games, more games for supporters to watch live and televised at a much lower cost to the association.

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1481 - 12/08/2020 10:24:00    2287313

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