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Does Gaelic Football Need The 22/50 Rugby Rule ?

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Sorry, I forgot, earlier in the same game I went out for a beer and to use the toilet. Came back with 4 pints and they were still arsing around with the scrum which they were at when I left."
They prob had to stop the scrum to allow half the team to waddle off and be replaced.

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1481 - 15/07/2020 08:49:07    2284100

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Replying To KillingFields:  "I have diagnosed social anxiety and can be a bit obsessive about things like how I'm referenced(and have said that before about my anxiety)
Respect does have to be earned but considering I was saying from the very beginning of my time on the site as ormond that I preferred to be called ormond not ormo yet people didnt I think going on about respect must be earned is hypocritical
What posts on gaa topics suggest I dont have any respect for the game?"
Meh! I'm not repeating myself again

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2020 - 15/07/2020 09:27:53    2284103

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It is bullying. Its trolling. Its wumming.
I know that to be true.
Do you need it to be explained over and over. If you deliberately call someone over and over by a name they find disrespectful and offensive then its bullying.
Yes people are anonymous using pseudonyms but of course there can be personal attacks. And abusive attacks. you are very naive if you think that isnt the case"
You said you have been diagnosed with anxiety and admit to being over sensitive about things? Sorry for being blunt here but you are the problem not all the other posters.

You are a member of multiple online forums. Maybe it's time to find a new hobby? Surely that would be better for your mental health?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6893 - 15/07/2020 09:39:48    2284105

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "You said you have been diagnosed with anxiety and admit to being over sensitive about things? Sorry for being blunt here but you are the problem not all the other posters.

You are a member of multiple online forums. Maybe it's time to find a new hobby? Surely that would be better for your mental health?"
The other forums dont give the abuse that I get here and you are one of the worst for giving abuse to dont start trying to give advice to anyone.
I'm not the problem. It's very straightforward that I find the manner some call me offensive and the whole issue would not keep coming up if the name calling stopped
I use discussion forums as they're good for me. And qualified workers in mental health have said so

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 15/07/2020 09:54:59    2284108

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Back to the actual thread. No the GAA should not follow rugby. Rugby changes their rules like the wind changes direction and nobody has a clue whats going on.

And Rugby Union are only stealing all their ides from League

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1583 - 15/07/2020 10:09:25    2284111

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Replying To KillingFields:  "The other forums dont give the abuse that I get here and you are one of the worst for giving abuse to dont start trying to give advice to anyone.
I'm not the problem. It's very straightforward that I find the manner some call me offensive and the whole issue would not keep coming up if the name calling stopped
I use discussion forums as they're good for me. And qualified workers in mental health have said so"
Ormond. They don't seem to be doing you much good. I would never be flippant about mental health but it's one thing to identify an issue and another to deal with it. I like your rugby posts, you're a knowledgeable guy. But if qualified mental health people have read your posts here and your reaction to some posts and they think that's progress I think you need another mental health person's opinion. Reacting like that will stress you more and you end up inadvertently bullying yourself. Stay well and happy man.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5955 - 15/07/2020 10:13:32    2284112

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Replying To witnof:  "Back to the actual thread. No the GAA should not follow rugby. Rugby changes their rules like the wind changes direction and nobody has a clue whats going on.

And Rugby Union are only stealing all their ides from League"
Rugby admits it's far from perfect. Always willing to change and adapt to make the sport better.
Gaelic and hurling dont ever go far enough to try things to improve the sport.
Saying nobody has a clue what's going on is nonsense and union looks at a lot of sports for ideas to improve itself which is good practice.
At least match officials in rugby are respected and treated well compared to officials in the gaa.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 15/07/2020 11:45:17    2284125

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Ormond. They don't seem to be doing you much good. I would never be flippant about mental health but it's one thing to identify an issue and another to deal with it. I like your rugby posts, you're a knowledgeable guy. But if qualified mental health people have read your posts here and your reaction to some posts and they think that's progress I think you need another mental health person's opinion. Reacting like that will stress you more and you end up inadvertently bullying yourself. Stay well and happy man."
The medics know more than you and I and they think it's ok so are you saying you and other posters here know more than medical professionals?
I think its perfectly fine to want to be addressed in the correct manner. And have grievances when addressed inappropriately just to abuse me.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 15/07/2020 11:48:07    2284126

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Replying To omahant:  "I think Gaelic could be improved - but that needs change. Specifically, longer range kicking should be encouraged - I only offered the 22/50 or 50/22 for opinions. The overwhelming conclusion in this thread seems to be - leave the game alone, regardless of whether it's good - or god forbid - it needs any minor change at all.

Hurling needs less change - including proper enforcement of the handpass and possibly, a lengthened 65, given the improvement in player conditioning over recent decades."
Longer than a 65? It is good that they are being scored, otherwise it'd end up like Aussie Rules where a corner back might just hit the ball out rather than try and get it out of there himself, if he thought the free taker might not score it.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 15/07/2020 12:16:02    2284129

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Replying To KillingFields:  "The medics know more than you and I and they think it's ok so are you saying you and other posters here know more than medical professionals?
I think its perfectly fine to want to be addressed in the correct manner. And have grievances when addressed inappropriately just to abuse me."
I too would never be flippant about metal health, having had my own struggles.
But to be fair, it does seem like you just over-react a lot and the delivery of your opinion isn't always the best!
My opinion of this board is it is a bit of a laugh, a bit of a debate, and I won't agree with everybody nor would I expect them to agree with me! But it has been great for the last 5 months when locked in, you maybe need to change the mentality a little bit.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 15/07/2020 12:25:20    2284130

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Rugby admits it's far from perfect. Always willing to change and adapt to make the sport better.
Gaelic and hurling dont ever go far enough to try things to improve the sport.
Saying nobody has a clue what's going on is nonsense and union looks at a lot of sports for ideas to improve itself which is good practice.
At least match officials in rugby are respected and treated well compared to officials in the gaa."
By the way we need to stop this 'rugby respects referees' malarkey..........you obviosuly haven't been to too many club games around the world! There treatment is not much different to that of GAA referees.

Refs escorted off the pitch, struck and so on................come out of your 'British Isles bubble' a rugby guy way told by a French friend

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1583 - 15/07/2020 12:43:59    2284131

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Replying To witnof:  "By the way we need to stop this 'rugby respects referees' malarkey..........you obviosuly haven't been to too many club games around the world! There treatment is not much different to that of GAA referees.

Refs escorted off the pitch, struck and so on................come out of your 'British Isles bubble' a rugby guy way told by a French friend"
At the amateur level and in the stands at ever level I think rugby refs get as much abuse as they do in GAA. I have been there so anyone who says it doesn't know what they are talking about. Going on about respect for refs at the international level is missing a vital point that the players livelihoods depend on their performance on the field and abusing the ref could cost the game so its no comparison to the GAA in that respect. However its not true that nobody understands whats going on in rugby, I find its absolutely no different to the GAA - players, managers etc in both either don't know the rules or just ignore them. Rugby is not that complicated either but there are rules that rarely come up and then everyone is scratching their heads, thats less likely to happen in the GAA given the nature of the sport but I would say just because the come up more often it doesn't mean the players or spectators know the rule.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 982 - 15/07/2020 13:34:48    2284136

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Rugby admits it's far from perfect. Always willing to change and adapt to make the sport better.
Gaelic and hurling dont ever go far enough to try things to improve the sport.
Saying nobody has a clue what's going on is nonsense and union looks at a lot of sports for ideas to improve itself which is good practice.
At least match officials in rugby are respected and treated well compared to officials in the gaa."
The rugby top brass will never admit its far from perfect, if it did the first thing they would have to do is get rid of themselves as a lot of the blazer boys are there just to keep the status quo.
What the GAA has done is to try and speed up the game and bring back high fielding of the ball. Rugby has not recognised that attacking play, foot, hand and ball skills have been dying out of the game and that needs to be addressed. I do not believe they are taking anything from league as the last thing they would want to admit is that league has got some things right and the way the game has gone now perhaps the numbers on the field is the biggest one. So are they doing what it takes? in my opinion no but the top brass are happy with what they have.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 982 - 15/07/2020 13:48:42    2284140

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I too would never be flippant about metal health, having had my own struggles.
But to be fair, it does seem like you just over-react a lot and the delivery of your opinion isn't always the best!
My opinion of this board is it is a bit of a laugh, a bit of a debate, and I won't agree with everybody nor would I expect them to agree with me! But it has been great for the last 5 months when locked in, you maybe need to change the mentality a little bit."
Considering there is multiple people who pile on to me regardless of what is posted it's obvious that I will overreact at times
If this forum is just a laugh then the fact that I detested and found/find offensive a name people called me and called them up on it yet people keep calling it.
Maybe I do need change my mentality but if that's the case then others do as well

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 15/07/2020 14:54:07    2284142

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Replying To witnof:  "By the way we need to stop this 'rugby respects referees' malarkey..........you obviosuly haven't been to too many club games around the world! There treatment is not much different to that of GAA referees.

Refs escorted off the pitch, struck and so on................come out of your 'British Isles bubble' a rugby guy way told by a French friend"
Of course referees have got abused etc in rugby but the level of respect for officials is much higher in rugby than Gaelic or hurling.
How many times have we seen articles about refs escorted from pitch in each sport.
I have been to plenty games and seen plenty games in multiple countries.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 15/07/2020 14:55:59    2284143

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Replying To zinny:  "The rugby top brass will never admit its far from perfect, if it did the first thing they would have to do is get rid of themselves as a lot of the blazer boys are there just to keep the status quo.
What the GAA has done is to try and speed up the game and bring back high fielding of the ball. Rugby has not recognised that attacking play, foot, hand and ball skills have been dying out of the game and that needs to be addressed. I do not believe they are taking anything from league as the last thing they would want to admit is that league has got some things right and the way the game has gone now perhaps the numbers on the field is the biggest one. So are they doing what it takes? in my opinion no but the top brass are happy with what they have."
You dont watch rugby much or pay attention to what's been discussed and implemented by world rugby then if you think rugby as a sport hasn't addressed how to improve attacking play.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 15/07/2020 14:57:28    2284144

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Replying To KillingFields:  "The other forums dont give the abuse that I get here and you are one of the worst for giving abuse to dont start trying to give advice to anyone.
I'm not the problem. It's very straightforward that I find the manner some call me offensive and the whole issue would not keep coming up if the name calling stopped
I use discussion forums as they're good for me. And qualified workers in mental health have said so"
Are you serious. Everybody else is the problem? Poster after poster explains why you are not being bullied and you still claim to be the only one right? Can you not see how bizarre this is?

And I have many times in the past questioned the truthfulness of many of your posts and I will do so again here. You claim medical professionals have said all of this is good for your mental health? They think you getting upset arguing with strangers and claiming you are being bullied over and over is good for your mental health? This is what you are telling me? My business has been linked with Jigsaw for the past few years and we have donated and sponsored many underage sporting events for mental health awareness. It might be time to look elsewhere for advice if what you are claiming is true. No mental health specialist would advise you to continue using forums if they upset up and make you feel like you are being bullied. That is a fact.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6893 - 15/07/2020 15:10:37    2284146

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Replying To zinny:  "At the amateur level and in the stands at ever level I think rugby refs get as much abuse as they do in GAA. I have been there so anyone who says it doesn't know what they are talking about. Going on about respect for refs at the international level is missing a vital point that the players livelihoods depend on their performance on the field and abusing the ref could cost the game so its no comparison to the GAA in that respect. However its not true that nobody understands whats going on in rugby, I find its absolutely no different to the GAA - players, managers etc in both either don't know the rules or just ignore them. Rugby is not that complicated either but there are rules that rarely come up and then everyone is scratching their heads, thats less likely to happen in the GAA given the nature of the sport but I would say just because the come up more often it doesn't mean the players or spectators know the rule."
They really dont at amateur level. I ref rugby and attend a lot of games and have ref friends who referee both gaa and rugby and they say abuse is far higher in Gaelic than rugby.
Rugby laws can be interpreted quite differently from official to official.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 15/07/2020 15:29:31    2284147

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Replying To witnof:  "By the way we need to stop this 'rugby respects referees' malarkey..........you obviosuly haven't been to too many club games around the world! There treatment is not much different to that of GAA referees.

Refs escorted off the pitch, struck and so on................come out of your 'British Isles bubble' a rugby guy way told by a French friend"
It really isnt true and of course there has been occasional incidents but how often do we here of incidents in the gaa where refs must be escorted off pitch by the gardai.
When was last time that happened in rugby?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 15/07/2020 15:30:57    2284148

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It really isnt true and of course there has been occasional incidents but how often do we here of incidents in the gaa where refs must be escorted off pitch by the gardai.
When was last time that happened in rugby?"
"how often do we here of incidents in the gaa where refs must be escorted off pitch by the gardai"

To be fair, not often. There have been some notable (and regrettable) incidents, but it's not a regular occurrence. I'm not implying its a regular occurrence in rugby either, I don't have a good knowledge of rugby. But I wouldn't imagine GAA is any better or worse in that regard.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1774 - 15/07/2020 16:30:39    2284150

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