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Galway threw away the 2000 final against Kerry. Kerry sormed into an big early lead Had them on the rack in first game and missed 2 great opportunities to score the winner........I think Savo dropped the ball into the keepers hands with Joyce inside him for a handy point and John Donnellan did something similar. Kerry of course won the replay.
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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "Agreed. In 2007, Waterford were hugely impressive in Munster and they beat Limerick easily in the final. In those days, the provincial champions and runners-up both just qualified for the all-Ireland quarter finals. Waterford had the terrible luck to come up against Cork, who were by far the strongest team coming through the back door. It went to a replay and Waterford won after 2 epic hard-fought encounters. A week later, they came up against a Limerick side that had a comfortable quarter-final win over Clare followed by an extra week's rest and Waterford just did not have enough gas left in the tank. I think they would have given Kilkenny a right good rattle in 2007." A small bit of context here. (1) Prior to the Munster Final Limerick had played three and a quarter grueling games v Tipp
(2) In the first ten minutes of the Munster Final Limerick had three chances of goals, they only took one, but the weaknesses in the Waterford were shown up and were ruthlessly exposed in the AISF, with the Waterford citadel falling five times.
(3) In the 2007 Final Limerick, against Kilkenny had a dreadful start and fell nine points behind. However they battled back and had the lead down to four points well into the second half. By contrast in 2008 Waterford were still strongly in the game after about twenty minutes but the Cats they absolutely steamrolled them and won by 22 points.
How do you think Waterford would have rattled KK in 2007 a mere twelve months later, after beating a good Tipp team in the Semi Final and, as mentioned above, a good start V KK they were utterly destroyed. The facts is there is never much between Waterford and Limerick and that situation has prevailed even going back to the thirties and forties.
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Replying To Oldertourman: "A small bit of context here. (1) Prior to the Munster Final Limerick had played three and a quarter grueling games v Tipp
(2) In the first ten minutes of the Munster Final Limerick had three chances of goals, they only took one, but the weaknesses in the Waterford were shown up and were ruthlessly exposed in the AISF, with the Waterford citadel falling five times.
(3) In the 2007 Final Limerick, against Kilkenny had a dreadful start and fell nine points behind. However they battled back and had the lead down to four points well into the second half. By contrast in 2008 Waterford were still strongly in the game after about twenty minutes but the Cats they absolutely steamrolled them and won by 22 points.
How do you think Waterford would have rattled KK in 2007 a mere twelve months later, after beating a good Tipp team in the Semi Final and, as mentioned above, a good start V KK they were utterly destroyed. The facts is there is never much between Waterford and Limerick and that situation has prevailed even going back to the thirties and forties." Probably the most realistic post I've read yet about the 2007 semi final.
The whole notion of an exhausted Waterford running on empty against a rested Limerick can be reversed completely.
In the munster final we simply ran out of steam with about 15 mins to go.
3 really tough games against Tipp caught up with us.
The idea that 08 was a year too far for Waterford is a fallacy, they like every other hurling team in the country at the time just weren't good enough to beat Kilkenny.
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Replying To Oldertourman: "A small bit of context here. (1) Prior to the Munster Final Limerick had played three and a quarter grueling games v Tipp
(2) In the first ten minutes of the Munster Final Limerick had three chances of goals, they only took one, but the weaknesses in the Waterford were shown up and were ruthlessly exposed in the AISF, with the Waterford citadel falling five times.
(3) In the 2007 Final Limerick, against Kilkenny had a dreadful start and fell nine points behind. However they battled back and had the lead down to four points well into the second half. By contrast in 2008 Waterford were still strongly in the game after about twenty minutes but the Cats they absolutely steamrolled them and won by 22 points.
How do you think Waterford would have rattled KK in 2007 a mere twelve months later, after beating a good Tipp team in the Semi Final and, as mentioned above, a good start V KK they were utterly destroyed. The facts is there is never much between Waterford and Limerick and that situation has prevailed even going back to the thirties and forties." I don't know how any team that gets ripped apart by Brian Begley and Donor Ryan can go on and claim to be good enough to beat one of the greatest teams of all time in the final.
Also I know Clare weren't great at the time but I love how us destroying them up in HQ is fobbed off as getting the easy draw like Clare were a Christy Ring team or something
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 09/07/2020 14:34:54
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Replying To Oldertourman: "A small bit of context here. (1) Prior to the Munster Final Limerick had played three and a quarter grueling games v Tipp
(2) In the first ten minutes of the Munster Final Limerick had three chances of goals, they only took one, but the weaknesses in the Waterford were shown up and were ruthlessly exposed in the AISF, with the Waterford citadel falling five times.
(3) In the 2007 Final Limerick, against Kilkenny had a dreadful start and fell nine points behind. However they battled back and had the lead down to four points well into the second half. By contrast in 2008 Waterford were still strongly in the game after about twenty minutes but the Cats they absolutely steamrolled them and won by 22 points.
How do you think Waterford would have rattled KK in 2007 a mere twelve months later, after beating a good Tipp team in the Semi Final and, as mentioned above, a good start V KK they were utterly destroyed. The facts is there is never much between Waterford and Limerick and that situation has prevailed even going back to the thirties and forties." The main reason we lost the 2007 Munster final so comprehensively to Waterford was because Mark Foley stood around the middle of the field looking for the handy loose and wouldn't mark his man Dan Shanahan when he was causing serious trouble for our backs. Mark Foley gave Dan Shanahan the freedom of semple stadium that day and Shanahan took full advantage and I think he scored 3:3.
DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 718 - 09/07/2020 23:20:54
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Replying To dickie10: "Just a thread on counties in both codes, who have let big opportunites slip away from them, kind of moments in time where they could have led to great or greater success but slipped from their grasp.....and some never recover while others make up for it.
a few off the top of my head head.
1) Louth in the 90s, could have set up a meath v louth leinster final had they took Laois in the first game in 91, led Dublin 1-9 to 0-8 with 20 minutes to go in the Leinster semi final in 1992, they had Kildare in final.....
Beaten by a point by Meath in 1998 leinster semi final.
Beaten by Offaly in 1997 Leinster quater final, in a side of the draw which hadnt got Meath, Dublin,Kildare or Laois. Would they have taken out a weakened Meath in the Leinster final? I dont see 2010 as that much of a missed opportunity for louth, it was a team on decline as proven since.
2)Westmeath in 2001 all ireland q/final. 9 points up in the second half v Meath. Would they have beaten Kerry who had a shocker v Meath in semi final? a westmeath v galway all ireland final....
3)Monaghon v Kerry 2007. If i were from MONAGHON this would keep me up at night, take Kerry and there was an All ireland to be had." Kerry 2007 was the worst I ever felt leaving a monaghan game far worse than losing in 2018 to tyrone as real sense of a massive opportunity missed against what was then the best team in the land. A win that day would have opened up the real possibility of going all the way that year. The particular group of players from that era were in their prime and banty was in his pomp. You don't get many bites of the cherry as a smaller county going to headquarters and when you do they have to be taken.
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Replying To sam1884: "In the modern era Monaghan football missed some great opportunities. From around 2006 they had fantastic teams for a decade; the 2007 defeat to Kerry and the quarter final/semi final defeats to Tyrone must be a regret. It's hard to see how the county could have won an All Ireland during Dublin's 5 in-a-row but opportunities were there beforehand and it's unfortunate that group of players never managed to grace the biggest day and even compete in an AL final. It's difficult to see Monaghan football hitting the same heights over the next few years." Agree with most of this over the next few years the remaining core of that era will depart the scene. Apart from the obvious in mcmanus and the Hughes brothers underrated players like Kelly Walsh drew wylie karl o connell will be hard to replace as we have had a tightly knit core of players with the strength conditioning dedication to play inter County at a v high level and their replacements will need to be bedded in which will take a few years of a rebuild which is happening with new management team in place. Still some good talent coming through too back to back minors last few years and likes of Ryan wylie conor Mccarthy jack mccarron niall kearns Rory beggan will be around for a while to help with the rebuild. Maintaining the div 1 status which looked likely pre lockdown be a massive achievement as most pundits had written us off start of season as certainties to go down when we actually have longest stay in the div outside mayo kerry and dublin since 2015. Think its better to blood lads in div 1 or even 2 so as to be competitive in the summer months. Apart from the two years under eamon mceneany in 11 and 12 we have always been a good league side in recent times through the championship will tell the tale. Last summer was a non event as team was gassed so change was definitely needed early signs good that banty and new management team of donnelly and Laverty have sparked something although donegal game pre lockdown showed still huge amount of work to do.
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2013 semi-final v Cork.
Still grates today. Set us back a few years as all Dublin hurling people took it hard...just as we seemed to be buidling up steam to challenge for All-Irelands
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Replying To witnof: "2013 semi-final v Cork.
Still grates today. Set us back a few years as all Dublin hurling people took it hard...just as we seemed to be buidling up steam to challenge for All-Irelands" Another great game. Dublin got terrible calls on 2nd yellow on Paul Dwyer who was having a man of the match game. Agree set a very good Dublin team back they could have won an All-Ireland that year.
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2 harsh yellows cost us the game. The all Ireland was so wide open that year. We could have won it. Sickener
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1922 - 10/07/2020 12:05:11
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For my own county:
1991 All-Ireland final - I think that was one of the best Meath team's ever and they should have won more All-Irelands. I think a combination of over confidence and possible burnout (the Down game was our 10th that summer) cost us, but also to be fair, that Down team was no joke, they went on to win another AI in 1994 so they proved that!
2007-2009 Leinster - I think we should have won a leinster in this period, Dublin were just ahead of the pack but mentally vulnerable, and we managed to reach 2 AI semi finals so it wasn't beyond our reach.
2007 - Should have beaten the Dubs first day out, 3 big decisions all went against us (Geraghty disallowed goal, Geraghty possibly fouled in the box but no peno given and Brogan's goal looked like square ball but stood).
2008 - Lead Wexford by 10pts at HT in the Leinster QF only to suffer a complete mental breakdown and lost by a point.
2009 - weren't really unlucky here just lost to Dublin by 2pts in one of the most stale, passionless Meath v Dublin games in years (well certainly before Dublin just started dominating every opponent in the country). If we turned up at all that day we'd have won the game and stood a good chance of winning Leinster as well.
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This is a great and terrible thread. All the pain of Clare's losses (usually inflicted by Cork) that haunted us throughout the years, came flooding back in a wave of agony. It was always a long walk back up to the square from Semple. I spent quite a bit of those walks staring at my shoes in sorrowful contemplation. There was rarely a post mortem afterwards, what was the point? We just felt we were cursed. Where to begin?
1955, this was my Father's greatest regret. I only grew up hearing the stories. Beating Cork and Tipp only to lose to a poor Limerick team (his words). At the time, I felt though that curses were for the old folk and that things would be different for my generation. My first Munster finals(72&74 were hammerings so can't really be added. The feeling around was it's a free shot without expectation. But that changed in 1977.
1977 Winning the league was just huge for Clare, beating Kilkenny to boot. Unbelievable feeling. The optimism was huge. Everyone was swept up in it, in my memory (possibly I'm projecting this) .We're going to rattle Munster, finally take out Cork and who knows after that. Our full back, Jim Power was sent off after a coming together as we say in Clare in the 1st half which ended the match, a headbutt the papers and everyone else called it. We just couldn't get near Cork after that. We were too pumped up and couldnt handlethe pressure.
1978 League captured again by beating Kilkenny. Cork in the final, revenge for last yr surely. Never showed up. The whole team sleep walked through the match until it was too late and nearly snuck the draw at the end. Loughnane's last min shot went over the bar, 2pt defeat. Never felt worse after that. Now I truly believe we're cursed.
1981 Finally beat Cork, first time since that fateful year of 1955. It's Limerick (a very good team) in the final just like 1955 but we have no fear this time.10mins left it's all square and it just slips away. Seemed to me to happen in slow motion.
1986 Munster final in Foreign Lands (Killarney )away from Hurling territory for some reason. It's Cork again, winning well at HT and importantly playing out of our skins. Half time came at the wrong time for us. Cork reeled us in the final quarter and we left Kerry wondering if it was ever really going to happen.
1999 After breaking the curse in 95, capturing two all-irelands there's only one thing left on the bucket list, beating Cork in Munster. 1pt down with a few left, we'd come back into the game after a bad start and a Cork goal which was in the square. A 21y free in , bit of an angle but at this level surely? Blasted wide and Cork drop over 2pts and it's the end of a great team. We wouldn't threaten Munster for over a decade and a half after that.Well beaten in 07 final notwithstanding.
2004 shouldve taken Kilkenny in the AI semi who were down to 14men but they just found a way to draw. Never really in the replay.
2005 Well ahead of Cork in the AI semi. They just drew us in slowly and the red wave drowned us again. Last min chance wide for Colin Lynch who'd played a stormer.
2018 Munster final against bloody Cork. Well ahead and playing brilliantly but we let Cork in for a soft before HT. It was the spark they needed and they were bouncing coming out in the 2nd half Again they reeled us in. Same old same old . We wait still.
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Replying To Buachaillbui: "This is a great and terrible thread. All the pain of Clare's losses (usually inflicted by Cork) that haunted us throughout the years, came flooding back in a wave of agony. It was always a long walk back up to the square from Semple. I spent quite a bit of those walks staring at my shoes in sorrowful contemplation. There was rarely a post mortem afterwards, what was the point? We just felt we were cursed. Where to begin?
1955, this was my Father's greatest regret. I only grew up hearing the stories. Beating Cork and Tipp only to lose to a poor Limerick team (his words). At the time, I felt though that curses were for the old folk and that things would be different for my generation. My first Munster finals(72&74 were hammerings so can't really be added. The feeling around was it's a free shot without expectation. But that changed in 1977.
1977 Winning the league was just huge for Clare, beating Kilkenny to boot. Unbelievable feeling. The optimism was huge. Everyone was swept up in it, in my memory (possibly I'm projecting this) .We're going to rattle Munster, finally take out Cork and who knows after that. Our full back, Jim Power was sent off after a coming together as we say in Clare in the 1st half which ended the match, a headbutt the papers and everyone else called it. We just couldn't get near Cork after that. We were too pumped up and couldnt handlethe pressure.
1978 League captured again by beating Kilkenny. Cork in the final, revenge for last yr surely. Never showed up. The whole team sleep walked through the match until it was too late and nearly snuck the draw at the end. Loughnane's last min shot went over the bar, 2pt defeat. Never felt worse after that. Now I truly believe we're cursed.
1981 Finally beat Cork, first time since that fateful year of 1955. It's Limerick (a very good team) in the final just like 1955 but we have no fear this time.10mins left it's all square and it just slips away. Seemed to me to happen in slow motion.
1986 Munster final in Foreign Lands (Killarney )away from Hurling territory for some reason. It's Cork again, winning well at HT and importantly playing out of our skins. Half time came at the wrong time for us. Cork reeled us in the final quarter and we left Kerry wondering if it was ever really going to happen.
1999 After breaking the curse in 95, capturing two all-irelands there's only one thing left on the bucket list, beating Cork in Munster. 1pt down with a few left, we'd come back into the game after a bad start and a Cork goal which was in the square. A 21y free in , bit of an angle but at this level surely? Blasted wide and Cork drop over 2pts and it's the end of a great team. We wouldn't threaten Munster for over a decade and a half after that.Well beaten in 07 final notwithstanding.
2004 shouldve taken Kilkenny in the AI semi who were down to 14men but they just found a way to draw. Never really in the replay.
2005 Well ahead of Cork in the AI semi. They just drew us in slowly and the red wave drowned us again. Last min chance wide for Colin Lynch who'd played a stormer.
2018 Munster final against bloody Cork. Well ahead and playing brilliantly but we let Cork in for a soft before HT. It was the spark they needed and they were bouncing coming out in the 2nd half Again they reeled us in. Same old same old . We wait still." That '70s team of yours shoudl ahve done a hell of a lot better. Worse case would have been winning Munster but they didn't even achieve this! Was at those games against Cork.....and just to rub it in was actaully there in '81
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Replying To Buachaillbui: "This is a great and terrible thread. All the pain of Clare's losses (usually inflicted by Cork) that haunted us throughout the years, came flooding back in a wave of agony. It was always a long walk back up to the square from Semple. I spent quite a bit of those walks staring at my shoes in sorrowful contemplation. There was rarely a post mortem afterwards, what was the point? We just felt we were cursed. Where to begin?
1955, this was my Father's greatest regret. I only grew up hearing the stories. Beating Cork and Tipp only to lose to a poor Limerick team (his words). At the time, I felt though that curses were for the old folk and that things would be different for my generation. My first Munster finals(72&74 were hammerings so can't really be added. The feeling around was it's a free shot without expectation. But that changed in 1977.
1977 Winning the league was just huge for Clare, beating Kilkenny to boot. Unbelievable feeling. The optimism was huge. Everyone was swept up in it, in my memory (possibly I'm projecting this) .We're going to rattle Munster, finally take out Cork and who knows after that. Our full back, Jim Power was sent off after a coming together as we say in Clare in the 1st half which ended the match, a headbutt the papers and everyone else called it. We just couldn't get near Cork after that. We were too pumped up and couldnt handlethe pressure.
1978 League captured again by beating Kilkenny. Cork in the final, revenge for last yr surely. Never showed up. The whole team sleep walked through the match until it was too late and nearly snuck the draw at the end. Loughnane's last min shot went over the bar, 2pt defeat. Never felt worse after that. Now I truly believe we're cursed.
1981 Finally beat Cork, first time since that fateful year of 1955. It's Limerick (a very good team) in the final just like 1955 but we have no fear this time.10mins left it's all square and it just slips away. Seemed to me to happen in slow motion.
1986 Munster final in Foreign Lands (Killarney )away from Hurling territory for some reason. It's Cork again, winning well at HT and importantly playing out of our skins. Half time came at the wrong time for us. Cork reeled us in the final quarter and we left Kerry wondering if it was ever really going to happen.
1999 After breaking the curse in 95, capturing two all-irelands there's only one thing left on the bucket list, beating Cork in Munster. 1pt down with a few left, we'd come back into the game after a bad start and a Cork goal which was in the square. A 21y free in , bit of an angle but at this level surely? Blasted wide and Cork drop over 2pts and it's the end of a great team. We wouldn't threaten Munster for over a decade and a half after that.Well beaten in 07 final notwithstanding.
2004 shouldve taken Kilkenny in the AI semi who were down to 14men but they just found a way to draw. Never really in the replay.
2005 Well ahead of Cork in the AI semi. They just drew us in slowly and the red wave drowned us again. Last min chance wide for Colin Lynch who'd played a stormer.
2018 Munster final against bloody Cork. Well ahead and playing brilliantly but we let Cork in for a soft before HT. It was the spark they needed and they were bouncing coming out in the 2nd half Again they reeled us in. Same old same old . We wait still." Beating Cork in 2013 All Ireland final though...
Esp after your Munster championship first round no show.
Must have put an awful lot of pain to rest.
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Still feel sick at the memory.
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this is a really interesting and great thread reading through i must say.
ill just go ahead and mention the two things that come into my head from a cork perspective
in 2013 all ireland hurling final vs clare being a point up and having a sideline on the cusack stand side which was put wide by stephen moylan..im always left wondering what would have happened if that sideline was slotted over the bar or indeed passed to an outfield player to have a pot shot whether between theo posts or not would that have been enough for cork to win it out?? we all know what happebed next with clare getting the equalizer and taking the game to a replay
which brings me to the next opporunity which strangely enough not very many people remember...with clare 6 points up in the closing stages of the replay a long ball played to pa cronin he wins it hands it off to mylan who slots it in the net..in the very next puck out the reult a free in for cork which nash lands right on top of harnedy who gathers and turns and attempts to hand pass to cathal noughtan who imstantly drops it resulting in seadna morey running up the wing and results in darach honans goal which finished the game...what would have happened if noughtan cought it?? could have gone to extra time..but alas
in cork football i still think the semi final replay vs kerry in 2008 was a huge missed opportunity..say everything we want about that cork 2006-2011 team but a win over kerry in croke park may have delivered another all ireland for this particular team...in the 2008 semi first game cork came back from the dead to draw with 2 late goals a masters fisted goal and john hayes penalty..also in that years munster final cork were 8 points down at half time and would somehow turn it around into a 5 point win..so with that being said in 2008 cork comebacks against kerry seemed to happen often..which brings me to the semi 2008 replay and once again cork being outplayed by kerry and having to over turn a big lead...cork creeped bak scores and somehow with 8 mins remaining kerry were leading by 4 points..suddenly pearce o neill finds a gap heads for goal and buries it..one point game..2 mins pass and donncha o connor scores a mammoth point to level the game with 5 mins to go with all the momentum to cork and if i remember correctly wexford and tyrone were playing the other semi in the next game with all their fans cheering cork aswell..in the midst of all my celebrations at the time (i believe i lost my then nokia phone 3 rows down) kerry sub on a young fresh faced david moran who duly wins the next kick out..hands off to darren o sullivan back to moran back to osullivan and of course gooch than goals it...and ofcourse kerry win..a missed opportunity was winning that kick out because looking back..whoever won that ball would win the game out...and ofcourse the croke park duck against kerry was never broken and still hasnt been
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2013 All-Ireland Semi Final against Cork.
We haven't come remotely near that since!
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Replying To DUALSUPPORT: "In 2001 I think Limerick were good to enough to win an Ireland and missed a chance, we built up a bit of momentum after beating Cork and Waterford, there was only a puck of a ball between ourselves and Tipp in the Munster final and I remember being in terrace behind the goal and Ollie Moran had a legitimate point waved wide with 5 minutes to go and against Wexford in all Ireland quarter-final, it was like that 2 very even teams but we lacked a bit of luck and it was us that lost, Damien Fitzhenry broke our hearts with his 2 21 yard frees and Barry Lambert scored a brilliant goal that day too but the referee I felt made a big mistake that day after Sean O'Connor scored a goal for us he brought it back for a free and wouldn't play advantage.
Between 2013 and 2014 we should have won an all Ireland minor title we had more than good enough panels to do it. Hawkeye robbed us in 2013 but in 2014 the Manager has to take full responsibility it was clear as day he was playing a guy at full back the whole year who wasn't suited to the position and it caught us out in the final against Kilkenny, also it is well known in Limerick what happened at the final Munster that caused a rift within the management team for the rest of the season." Yes I always thought 2001 was the main one 'that got away' between 73 and 18. I agree about the two minor losses. I feel the hype in local newspapers before the 14 Final were scandalous and could not have but adversely affected young players.
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Replying To skillet: "1994 All Ireland hurling final..
Still feel sick at the memory." God I wish it was against anyone else but us. The rest of the country loves the Offaly story and rightly so it's great to see such an amazing comeback from a small county and I would give anything to be able to celebrate it but it still hurts
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 10/07/2020 21:50:33
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Replying To Breezy: "God I wish it was against anyone else but us. The rest of the country loves the Offaly story and rightly so it's great to see such an amazing comeback from a small county and I would give anything to be able to celebrate it but it still hurts" I remember that final, we were all shouting on limerick at home, nothing against offaly but we'd just always shout for the Munster team in any allireland final, it was devestating for limerick but intriguing watching offaly hitting score after score, I could see my father and uncles getting the old Vietnam flashbacks from the 82 football final.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 11/07/2020 06:41:00
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