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Look we could argue this all night. All Irelands did not start in '73, 40 or 68. Eight and six AIL wins by our respective counties is a decent number of All Irelands, but nothing spectacular. Give us both another ten years and hopefully we will both improve our statistics.
Oldertourman (Limerick) - Posts: 162 - 01/07/2020 13:12:26 2282529 Link 0 |
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Would have loved to see an open draw format myself, imagine, innovation from the GAA. The one chance they had, as they stand looking at a provincial championships from which there will be little or no gate receipts, and they decided they couldn't break from an out dated tradition, even for 1 year. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 03/07/2020 15:29:15 2282922 Link 0 |
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Keeping provincial competitions is a good thing an open draw wont help most counties do better. Is streamlines things but is that really worth getting rid of provincial competitions? KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 03/07/2020 15:58:03 2282928 Link 0 |
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Its not about helping anybody do better. In fact, I know full well if the provincial round robins were finishing around now, there would be 2 Munster counties complaining about being out of the championship. Why could it not be tried for one year? We have come from a world where people moved from the pub on a Friday to doing a table quiz on Zoom - people are doing different things, learning to live differently, why not try innovate for once? In hurling and football, it would have been great to just see a bit of change. Maybe I am too young but for me, I remember 1 great Munster championship (don't know the year, Clare beat Tipp to knock them out) and 1 great Leinster championship (last year), and apart from that dress it up whatever way you want the action only gets going when these 2 cups are presented. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 03/07/2020 19:44:36 2282951 Link 0 |
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You can have an open draw all Ireland cup but it should be in addition to the main competitions of the year which should be league based with playoffs of semi finals and final at end to decide all Ireland champions. You can have provincial cups straight knockout as well. That's at max 8/9 weekends for cups wo if you give 10-12 weekends of games in a league. With some breaks you streamline season far more. The season needs an overhaul but just having the same as before with pre season leagues followed by national league followed by provincial/all Ireland cups then it isnt good for the sport KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 04/07/2020 14:48:26 2283020 Link 0 |
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underachievement yes but hype no. Most Limerick people have been very critical of the team over the years up until 2018 but now we are favourites as ordained by all the experts in the media so nothing wrong with feeling a bit of confidence
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 04/07/2020 15:44:10 2283027 Link 1 |
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Gets lost in the whole narrative as well that in between winning in 1973 and 2018 we contested an All Ireland final or semi final in each decade. 5 all Ireland finals and 5 semi finals. Definitely underachieved in terms of winning more all Ireland's but we've always remained competitive... nothing wrong with a bit of confidence indeed and at least now we've something to back it up. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 710 - 04/07/2020 16:23:15 2283036 Link 0 |
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Be as bloody confident as you want! Confidence and even arrogance has served the big 3 well. Why shouldn't Limerick be confident and have a bit of hype? If Wexford won an All-Ireland 2 years ago, I wouldn't expect there to not be hype and excitement. I suppose, the big unknown now is still what sort of championship we will have, will there be a 2nd wave, but we all hope it can go ahead and bring it on I say, hype and all! StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 05/07/2020 20:07:08 2283148 Link 0 |
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stop the press,it was always this way. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3841 - 06/07/2020 08:27:57 2283182 Link 1 |
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Scrapping the provincial championships might rub some people up the wrong way for a while but eventually younger generations will come along and get used to it. Leinster is increasing to 6 teams. Hurling should have a 4 tier championship. Liam McCarthy - 10 teams Joe McDonagh - 8 teams Christy Ring - 8 teams Nicky Rackard - 9 teams Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 10/07/2020 22:00:15 2283731 Link 2 |
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Yeah something along those lines feels right. Football should have 2 or 3 tiers then also. Just get the best teams playing each other more. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 11/07/2020 10:27:26 2283748 Link 2 |
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An open draw wouldn't be for me. The Munster Championship is an unbelievable competition and the Munster final is a National Day. Why would you want to get rid of that? There's been better Munster Finals than All Ireland finals. Lots of them. There's plenty of room for provincial competition and a separate open draw All Ireland .. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1323 - 11/07/2020 14:01:11 2283765 Link 0 |
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Hold it at the start of the year but linking provincials and the All-Ireland is an outdated format.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 11/07/2020 14:58:55 2283770 Link 0 |
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You wouldn't be getting rid of it. You'd just be using an open draw for this one year, because the competition needs to be played off in a short space of time (so the number of rounds/games needs to be reduced), at the very tail end of the year. Things would probably go back to normal (schedule/format wise) next year. And if the league and championship are going back to their normal schedule next year (anything could happen), the players will get hardly any break between this years championship, and the start of the inter-county season next year. Also, the Munster final won't have the same status this year, no matter what. If its played, it'll be played in front of a much reduced crowd, at the least optimal time of year. No matter what, this years championship will be a lesser version of the usual championship. Having an open draw for this one year may have given this championship a uniqueness which may have compensated for the other enforced shortcomings. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1774 - 11/07/2020 15:03:17 2283771 Link 0 |
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I'd limit football to 2 tiers. Probably 4 groups of 4 in each if the League is retained in its current format.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 11/07/2020 15:03:46 2283772 Link 0 |
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Some people like to push a fake story about everyone hating the provincial championship
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 11/07/2020 15:07:30 2283773 Link 0 |
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Nobody is doing that on here. Just stop repeating this rubbish.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 11/07/2020 15:15:51 2283776 Link 0 |
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I don't hate the Provincial championships, I do accept though that the interest levels in them are waning. They pose complications when trying to come up with how best to run a fair national championship. The knockout nature in football isn't great for providing a good season for county players or fixture certainty for club players. Having a knockout based championship comes at the expense of more games between the best teams. Having a hurling championship based on set regional groups hurts equality of opportunity amongst teams. Kerry are a victim to this mainly. I love the Ulster championship but increasingly keeping it as part of the main competition may be at the expense of an overall better system. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 12/07/2020 08:28:14 2283826 Link 2 |
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Are the interest levels in the provincial hurling waning? JoeMd is not provincial based and Kerry still cant win but I suppose thats the fault of Limk and the rest and not at all down to the fact that most counties cant support 2 codes at a high level and the best of the talent pool will always be football in Kerry Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 12/07/2020 10:59:17 2283837 Link 0 |
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Doesn't matter if the interest levels are waning or not. The crowds will still go to separate provincial championships if are that good. A championship should have a fair structure. Carlow probably would have lost to Waterford in a relegation final but they never got the chance. Your point about the popularity of football in Kerry is irrelevant to this discussion. Moving to an open draw championship will not affect the interest levels because most people only care about the big prize at the end of the day. Besides, you can always seed teams based on how they perform in the provincials.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 12/07/2020 13:17:35 2283853 Link 0 |