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Replying To Ollie2: "It was the Wee County's first Leinster final appearance in fifty years. Living on the Meath border, them two weeks leading up to the Leinster final was unreal and indeed the weeks after it. Up until that incident it was a great game of football that had everything in it. With Louth not taking their chances I could sense Meath would snatch it in the end. I was in the Cusack Lower and it was only when I was outside the Stadium that I found out what had happened at the end. It's hard to believe that it was ten years ago. Louth v Meath matches are the real Battle of the Boyne." Ahh true Ollie. Some in the stadium got way too excited. I've always said it wasn't a goal. Even that night on here. But I still believe it was a penalty. No matter what orurke said. Sludden said afterwards he should have awarded the penalty instead of the goal.
Strange day, but the atmosphere was electric.
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Replying To CC2020: "Trevor Giles summed it up well, he was for offering a rematch and said are we that desperate for a Leinster title that we need to win this way..
A strange karma since in how Meath have declined.
25 years ago on the 18th June back in 1995, Laois offered Carlow a rematch when they won a game through a Mick Turley point that went wide. Fair play to them." Wasn't up to Meath to offer a replay. The gaa bottled it. And may I say have still no mechanisms to deal with a similar situation.
Why were their no clambers for a replay from Meath v Tyrone a couple of years ago?? Where a refs bad call cost Meath the game.
Anyway coming from someone from Kilkenny talking about football, a sport u lot deride is a bit rich tbh.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 16/06/2020 09:01:42
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Replying To Young_gael: "A dark day for all involved and for the GAA as a whole. Louth had umpteen chances to win that game by 5/6 points. They missed two very clear-cut goal chances in the first half. Meath were atrocious on the day. As a team, they were lethargic, slow, second to everything. Louth should have won on that particular day and this Meath supporter has no problem saying so. The longer the game lingered the more phrenetic it became. The last few minutes devolved into a total shambles from Louth as they very clearly realised they were on the cusp of victory but Meath were only 1/2 behind, and they lost the plot. It was like a pressure cooker. The fact it was Meath they were about to beat meant more as well as they havent beaten Meath in the championship since the mid-70s. When the ball ended up in the net and the goal was given the game had already unravelled into a mess. I concur at the time that Sheridan played his part but his role was simply that of a person on a team hunting down a Leinster medal. He or his team-mates must not be blamed or scapegoated for the whole mess. The referee had a very poor game. He had no control from the 65th minute onward and in injury time when Meath were continually hoofing garryowens into the box, he bottled blowing the full-time whistle. When the ball was stumbled into the net, he subconsciously sided with the bigger or more successful team. The poor man panicked. His umpires panicked. The rest is history.
I fully believe Meath should have offered an olive branch to the GAA in the form of a replay. People talked about the county board meeting and how it was totally up to Meath, and if they offered a re-match, it likely would have been played with the all-too-happy backing of the GAA. I dont think the excuses hold water. In the event of such a move I think Meath would likely have won the replay well and that would have been that. Maybe Im wrong in assuming that. Instead they went down a very dark path and hence we had to look at that spectacle on the sunday game. A disaster for all involved and as a Meath person who lived in Louth for a spell since, the bitterness and pain is very real. I got the distinct feeling that GAA in Louth was massively impacted negatively after 2010 and it should have been the exact opposite. Likewise, although many dont admit it, Meath has struggled to move past this episode and successive teams have hugely struggled to move the county on from the spotlight of this particular fixture." With the greatest respect that post is totally wrong. The only event that hampered Meath going forward from that game was the despicable action taken by some delegates who I have no doubt held a similar view to ur own. And the disgraceful way Éamon O'Brien was treated. That is a much darker day than saying a county should offer a replay, which they had no input Into.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 16/06/2020 09:06:28
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Replying To WanPintWin: "It was definitely no penalty. I remember Colm O'Rourke going through that on the Sunday Game that night and saying it wasn't one.
If you look back at it, Sheridan is bottled up and launches himself towards the goal, rolls on his back, throws it up in the air to try to kick it while on his back, but misses it and it falls over the line.
As has been mentioned, the biggest issue is that the ref didn't take time to actually consult with his umpires. As you said, they had the best view, but he rushed in and essentially told them to raise the green flag. A moment like that needs a cool head from a ref. I can't understand why he didn't take his time and discuss it properly with them.
A terrible outcome for Louth in the end. One can only hope they get another shot some day, but it's hard to see that possibility at this time." Watch it again. The Louth no 3 does pull Sheridan back..it was a penalty anyhow I'd have thought..Louth should ultimately.have defended it better ..no one doubts that Sheridan bundled the ball into the net unfairly..again in real time the umpires were.the.nearest to the action
.to disallow the goal and advise on a penalty award to Meath or not.
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My abiding memory of that game is a Louth supporter chasing the referee off the pitch with his child who was the same age as me coming back out from the tunnel area holding his head!
What is the worst thing is that 10 years on, the GAA still have done nothing to help referees. We still have umpires bottling big calls, linesmen not helping them, etc.
It was a terrible call but the GAA still hasn't learned anything from it, or from the incidents in last years All-Ireland hurling semi finals with the Limerick line ball, or a Wexford player being punched in the stomach - the whole country saw it but we couldn't show the ref or a 4th official?
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 16/06/2020 12:48:45
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Free out - Square ball. Game over, Louth win by 1.
Ollie - Do you remember 86 v Offlay in Drogheda, Ollie McDonald straight through, pulled down and free out.
What will the next 10 years bring for both?
Someday4Louth (Louth) - Posts: 36 - 16/06/2020 12:54:53
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Louth were diddled with the goal decision at the end. But I always think they panicked after the goal which left them 5-6 points up. They started giving away easy fouls in their own half and let Meath inch their way back into it.
I worked in a pub along the border between the two counties, and to say the episode left an aftertaste would be putting it mildly.
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Replying To moros: "Watch it again. The Louth no 3 does pull Sheridan back..it was a penalty anyhow I'd have thought..Louth should ultimately.have defended it better ..no one doubts that Sheridan bundled the ball into the net unfairly..again in real time the umpires were.the.nearest to the action
.to disallow the goal and advise on a penalty award to Meath or not." You have to be joking. Sheridan throws himself forward to catch the ball in the first place and is already well in flight before a hand is even in laid on him. He's falling forward to catch the ball. If you think the hand of the full-back is what brings him down, we'll need a rewrite of the laws of of physics.
Not a penalty any day of the week.
As I said, it was the ref's job to take his time and consult with the umpires. He actually noted the goal before even going to speak with them. Then only went in after Louth protests. Then told them to raise the flag without even spending more than 3 seconds talking to them.
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Replying To moros: "Watch it again. The Louth no 3 does pull Sheridan back..it was a penalty anyhow I'd have thought..Louth should ultimately.have defended it better ..no one doubts that Sheridan bundled the ball into the net unfairly..again in real time the umpires were.the.nearest to the action
.to disallow the goal and advise on a penalty award to Meath or not." That's it. Nothing got to do with Meath.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 16/06/2020 18:58:19
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Replying To royaldunne: "Wasn't up to Meath to offer a replay. The gaa bottled it. And may I say have still no mechanisms to deal with a similar situation.
Why were their no clambers for a replay from Meath v Tyrone a couple of years ago?? Where a refs bad call cost Meath the game.
Anyway coming from someone from Kilkenny talking about football, a sport u lot deride is a bit rich tbh." dont you often comment on hurling on here or am i mixing up the usernames?
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Replying To perfect10: "dont you often comment on hurling on here or am i mixing up the usernames?" Must be mixing me up. Seldom if ever comment on hurling. I don't like the game. I find it mind numbing and boring. (I know I'm in a minority) it's just not my thing, if it's urs fair play. One of my closest friends loves cricket, I don't like it. Each to their own is what I say. But I'd definitely seldom comment on hurling, as to be honest I wouldn't know enough about it to comment, if pushed I could probably name at most 3 hurlers in whole country and two of them would be from Meath. I know who Brian Cody is, and Davy Fitzgerald. I couldn't name any other managers.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 16/06/2020 22:26:30
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Replying To royaldunne: "Wasn't up to Meath to offer a replay. The gaa bottled it. And may I say have still no mechanisms to deal with a similar situation.
Why were their no clambers for a replay from Meath v Tyrone a couple of years ago?? Where a refs bad call cost Meath the game.
Anyway coming from someone from Kilkenny talking about football, a sport u lot deride is a bit rich tbh." I've read posts on this forum a while. You're the poster who wants to burn hurls, like Andy McEntee, and suffers from delusions that Meath are on there way to the big time again! Enough said.
By the way in 1992 Skryne, with O'Rourke and Giles scrapped past the Gaelic football team I played with, the Railyard, by 3 pts.
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* Sorry just to elaborate on that last point, that match v Skryne was in the Leinster club championship 1992.
You have a very condescending way of posting, calling people from other counties 'you lot'. Well 36 All Ireland senior titles to 'my lot' and 7 to 'your lot'. And only for a hurling man, Sean Boylan, that would be 3.
CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 46 - 17/06/2020 01:16:02
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A game with no winners.
Martin Sludden never recovered from it in refereeing terms.
Louth had a once in a generation chance of winning a Leinster title taken from them.
The Meath players, for many of them it's their only Leinster title, lost the chance of knowing that they really deserved a Leinster title.
The GAA and the Leinster Council lost by not making the right decision and putting all the pressure on the Meath County Board to offer a replay.
The Meath County board, although I agree that they shouldn't have been put in that position, ultimately should have offered the replay and in not doing so they robbed their own players of the chance to properly win the Leinster title.
Had it happened under Seán Boylan's reign I'm convinced the great man would have put the County Board in their place and played the replay. I don't think there would have been any question about it. Ultimately the Meath County Board lacked the confidence in their team to get the job done in the replay I think.
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Replying To royaldunne: "Must be mixing me up. Seldom if ever comment on hurling. I don't like the game. I find it mind numbing and boring. (I know I'm in a minority) it's just not my thing, if it's urs fair play. One of my closest friends loves cricket, I don't like it. Each to their own is what I say. But I'd definitely seldom comment on hurling, as to be honest I wouldn't know enough about it to comment, if pushed I could probably name at most 3 hurlers in whole country and two of them would be from Meath. I know who Brian Cody is, and Davy Fitzgerald. I couldn't name any other managers." Of course you are entitled to your opinion but as far as I am concerned if you think Hurling boring & mind numbing I feel sorry for you.
I have read and listened to endless comments on Hurling including other Countries and never have I heard this comment perhaps you could not master the caman and could only kick the Big Ball
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Replying To MesAmis: "A game with no winners.
Martin Sludden never recovered from it in refereeing terms.
Louth had a once in a generation chance of winning a Leinster title taken from them.
The Meath players, for many of them it's their only Leinster title, lost the chance of knowing that they really deserved a Leinster title.
The GAA and the Leinster Council lost by not making the right decision and putting all the pressure on the Meath County Board to offer a replay.
The Meath County board, although I agree that they shouldn't have been put in that position, ultimately should have offered the replay and in not doing so they robbed their own players of the chance to properly win the Leinster title.
Had it happened under Seán Boylan's reign I'm convinced the great man would have put the County Board in their place and played the replay. I don't think there would have been any question about it. Ultimately the Meath County Board lacked the confidence in their team to get the job done in the replay I think." Thats id in a nutshell you outlined the facts in exact fashion pity the GAA dident out in place some of fail safe system in case something like this happened again
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Dont think Meath should have ever been asked to offer a reply. FFS if teams got replys every time a ref made a mistake nearly every game would been replayed. I have watched hundreds of games down the years were have been robbed by the ref these things happen. Its not ideal but thats life.
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Replying To sourmilk93: "Dont think Meath should have ever been asked to offer a reply. FFS if teams got replys every time a ref made a mistake nearly every game would been replayed. I have watched hundreds of games down the years were have been robbed by the ref these things happen. Its not ideal but thats life." I think it's fair enough to have replays in exceptional circumstances.
For me, the 2010 Leinster final falls under such circumstances.
We'd seen it before with the 1998 All-Ireland Hurling Semi Final Replay between Clare and Offaly.
The more glaring example which was very similar to the 2010 Leinster Final was the Leinster Championship game between Laois and Carlow around 1995 I think. Laois won the game by a late point that was clearly awarded incorrectly as the ball went wide. The Laois County Board did the right thing and offered Carlow a replay which Laois won.
I still believe that a replay was the correct course of action by the Leinster Council and Meath County Board in 2010 and it is unfortunate for all concerned that they bottled it.
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I just think as hard as it is to accept offering replays is not the answer and neither should the pressure been on Meath to "do the right thing" they won the game simple as. If Mayo had beaten or drawing with us in last years Championship i would have been fairly ****** off that Darren Coens "Point" that was at least 4 yards wide was awarded but wouldnt have been demanding a replay or to be awarded the game.
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Replying To sourmilk93: "I just think as hard as it is to accept offering replays is not the answer and neither should the pressure been on Meath to "do the right thing" they won the game simple as. If Mayo had beaten or drawing with us in last years Championship i would have been fairly ****** off that Darren Coens "Point" that was at least 4 yards wide was awarded but wouldnt have been demanding a replay or to be awarded the game." 4 yards wide ? Who was the umpire, Steevie Wonder ?
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