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It's just a straight 16 game regular season and then championship.
Structure
They have 32 teams in the competition (remind you of anything) and are able to complete their regular season between September to December. One bye week.
The teams are broken down by divisions with 8 divisions, 4 in the west and 4 in the east. Making up 2 conferences east vs west. The last team standing in the two conferences will then play in the Superbowl. From an Irish perspective Kerry are western conference and Dublin would be eastern.
This instantly turns the GAA season from being a 9 month season to a 5 month season. 17 weeks for just the regular season not including the 4 weeks of playoffs for the qualified teams.
It blends the best of the national football league which has been a growing success story and also the connection to a knockout all Ireland structure which the two have missed. Winning the national league particularly at the division 1 level means nothing as it gives you no real advantage for the All Ireland series. Where this would change is the best regular season records gain home field advantage and easier fixtures and a bye round. Which means it's not only enough to qualify, it's important to qualify as high as possible.
TV Coverage
It's no secret that the TV coverage in Ireland is a shambles. Whether it's the Sky deal for games or EIR holding all the rights for classic games, it's a mess. The GAA go for the quick buck over what improves the brand over the long run. Short term mindsets have held the GAA brand hostage. Sure they make money but they can't even distribute that equally! Something the NFL in America are able to do each year with the money they generate.
The GAA needs to do yearly deals with TV stations for rights to show games. RTE, Sky, TG4 and EIR need to bid on the schedule of games that would be churned out every year in this new format. It consists of 256 games, where each team (32 total) plays 16 games during a 17-week period.
The time slots for games would be as below
Friday Night for local rivalry games.
Saturday Night double Header.
Sunday Morning 12:30pm Multi-Match Game like Gillette soccer Saturday but with Footage mirroring Sunday night redzone in the NFL
Sunday Prime Time 2:30pm Game
This would then have 4 live games every weekend and a live broadcast for the other games which would kick off at 12:30pm on a sunday and flash around to all the games with footage in a redzone style format. Imagine EIR with the Sunday morning package reviewing over 12 games and Joe Brolly, Shane Curran, Oisin Mcconville, Colm Parkinson and more in the studio going through games.All teams at some stage will be in this slot as well as others to give all the fair exposure.
Sunday Game review show will still remain on a Sunday night. To review all games no matter who the broadcaster is.
A requirement for teams to take part in docuseries will also be made mandatory by the GAA. If not adhered to then it will have a direct impact on the funding provided to by the GAA, exactly like the NFL.
A yearly review done by the all Ireland winning team like "america's game" in the NFL. A football Life style documentary on past players and coaches. And a hard knocks style pre-season mini series in the build up to the season.
County Transfers
During the off-season each county team has to declare their panel for the upcoming season. Any player not selected by the county can freely transfer and play with another but must make a 2 year commitment. A player can also not transfer if he is selected by his own county and wants to play somewhere else. This will remove the risk of highly talented players going to stronger counties. Its design is only to increase the competitiveness of weaker county's who can pluck unwanted stars from other areas. No player has to agree to sign with another county if not selected. They can stay in their own area and try and secure a panel spot which is open all year. But the panel must be limited to a certain number or players so if one comes in another goes out.
The deadline for a potential cross county transfer is week 8 of the regular season. After that no changes can occur until the following pre season.
Fixture Breakdown example
GAA Structure -NFL Style
32 Teams 2 Conferences 8 Divisions - These do NOT change Only the schedules change.
17 Weeks in a season with 1 bye week
16 Game Regular Season
How its decided which division goes against another each year?
Each Division plays another division in another conference once every four years. (4 Games)
You will also play one division in your own conference once every 4 years (4 Games)
For the remaining two games you play 2 teams. One in each of the remaining conference divisions not already selected. Who those teams are, is based on the previous season results and you play the team with the same ranking as you. E.g If you win the division you play the previous winners of the two other remaining divisions.
Example Mayo (West Division)
Note: Mayo have been matched against the North East division for 2021.
Note: Mayo Have been matched against the North West Division for 2021
Note: Based on old standings Mayo's remaining two games in the west will consist of Cork and Cavan. (Expected table 2nd in their division behind Galway. Similar for Cork and Cavan to be second in there division the previous year)
Divisional Game
Mayo Vs Galway (Home)
Galway Vs Mayo (Away)
Roscommon Vs Mayo (Away)
Sligo Vs Mayo (Away)
Mayo Vs Roscommon (Home)
Mayo Vs Sligo (Home)
Rival Eastern Divisional Games
Mayo Vs Armagh (Home)
Mayo Vs Antrim (Home)
Derry Vs Mayo (Awa)
Down Vs Mayo (Away)
Rival Western Divisional
Donegal Vs Mayo (Home)
Tyrone Vs Mayo (Away)
Fermanagh Vs Mayo (Away)
Mayo Vs Leitrim (Home)
Remaining 2 Western Divisional Games with same record opposition
Mayo Vs Cavan
Cork Vs Mayo
Please not the schedule of these 17 weeks is from February 5th -Friday 4th of June
Playoffs for 4 more weeks for qualified teams. (12 teams can qualify)
Wild Card round 12th-13th
Western Conference Semifinals 18th -19th
Conference Finals 26th -27th
All Ireland Final East Vs West -4th of July
Please change any parts that you feel would make this better. Dates etc.
Or explain how this would also not work for an Irish perspective. The structure of divisions was based off geographical locations and not based on team quality as this changes over time.
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Why should we import a complex system from America? The GAA is moving towards a Champions League format. Keeping geographical divisions doesn't make sense anymore. It's great for clubs but not counties. The NFL has a draft and spending caps. This keeps the sport competitive. Let's just split teams into groups of 4 (single or two tier championship) and have home and away games. That gives every team 6 games in the summer. For example, you could have a group consisting of Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone, and Monaghan. That will draw crowds in.
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Replying To Mystic_M: "It's just a straight 16 game regular season and then championship.
Structure
They have 32 teams in the competition (remind you of anything) and are able to complete their regular season between September to December. One bye week.
The teams are broken down by divisions with 8 divisions, 4 in the west and 4 in the east. Making up 2 conferences east vs west. The last team standing in the two conferences will then play in the Superbowl. From an Irish perspective Kerry are western conference and Dublin would be eastern.
This instantly turns the GAA season from being a 9 month season to a 5 month season. 17 weeks for just the regular season not including the 4 weeks of playoffs for the qualified teams.
It blends the best of the national football league which has been a growing success story and also the connection to a knockout all Ireland structure which the two have missed. Winning the national league particularly at the division 1 level means nothing as it gives you no real advantage for the All Ireland series. Where this would change is the best regular season records gain home field advantage and easier fixtures and a bye round. Which means it's not only enough to qualify, it's important to qualify as high as possible.
TV Coverage
It's no secret that the TV coverage in Ireland is a shambles. Whether it's the Sky deal for games or EIR holding all the rights for classic games, it's a mess. The GAA go for the quick buck over what improves the brand over the long run. Short term mindsets have held the GAA brand hostage. Sure they make money but they can't even distribute that equally! Something the NFL in America are able to do each year with the money they generate.
The GAA needs to do yearly deals with TV stations for rights to show games. RTE, Sky, TG4 and EIR need to bid on the schedule of games that would be churned out every year in this new format. It consists of 256 games, where each team (32 total) plays 16 games during a 17-week period.
The time slots for games would be as below
Friday Night for local rivalry games.
Saturday Night double Header.
Sunday Morning 12:30pm Multi-Match Game like Gillette soccer Saturday but with Footage mirroring Sunday night redzone in the NFL
Sunday Prime Time 2:30pm Game
This would then have 4 live games every weekend and a live broadcast for the other games which would kick off at 12:30pm on a sunday and flash around to all the games with footage in a redzone style format. Imagine EIR with the Sunday morning package reviewing over 12 games and Joe Brolly, Shane Curran, Oisin Mcconville, Colm Parkinson and more in the studio going through games.All teams at some stage will be in this slot as well as others to give all the fair exposure.
Sunday Game review show will still remain on a Sunday night. To review all games no matter who the broadcaster is.
A requirement for teams to take part in docuseries will also be made mandatory by the GAA. If not adhered to then it will have a direct impact on the funding provided to by the GAA, exactly like the NFL.
A yearly review done by the all Ireland winning team like "america's game" in the NFL. A football Life style documentary on past players and coaches. And a hard knocks style pre-season mini series in the build up to the season.
County Transfers
During the off-season each county team has to declare their panel for the upcoming season. Any player not selected by the county can freely transfer and play with another but must make a 2 year commitment. A player can also not transfer if he is selected by his own county and wants to play somewhere else. This will remove the risk of highly talented players going to stronger counties. Its design is only to increase the competitiveness of weaker county's who can pluck unwanted stars from other areas. No player has to agree to sign with another county if not selected. They can stay in their own area and try and secure a panel spot which is open all year. But the panel must be limited to a certain number or players so if one comes in another goes out.
The deadline for a potential cross county transfer is week 8 of the regular season. After that no changes can occur until the following pre season.
Fixture Breakdown example
GAA Structure -NFL Style
32 Teams 2 Conferences 8 Divisions - These do NOT change Only the schedules change.
17 Weeks in a season with 1 bye week
16 Game Regular Season
How its decided which division goes against another each year?
Each Division plays another division in another conference once every four years. (4 Games)
You will also play one division in your own conference once every 4 years (4 Games)
For the remaining two games you play 2 teams. One in each of the remaining conference divisions not already selected. Who those teams are, is based on the previous season results and you play the team with the same ranking as you. E.g If you win the division you play the previous winners of the two other remaining divisions.
Example Mayo (West Division)
Note: Mayo have been matched against the North East division for 2021.
Note: Mayo Have been matched against the North West Division for 2021
Note: Based on old standings Mayo's remaining two games in the west will consist of Cork and Cavan. (Expected table 2nd in their division behind Galway. Similar for Cork and Cavan to be second in there division the previous year)
Divisional Game
Mayo Vs Galway (Home)
Galway Vs Mayo (Away)
Roscommon Vs Mayo (Away)
Sligo Vs Mayo (Away)
Mayo Vs Roscommon (Home)
Mayo Vs Sligo (Home)
Rival Eastern Divisional Games
Mayo Vs Armagh (Home)
Mayo Vs Antrim (Home)
Derry Vs Mayo (Awa)
Down Vs Mayo (Away)
Rival Western Divisional
Donegal Vs Mayo (Home)
Tyrone Vs Mayo (Away)
Fermanagh Vs Mayo (Away)
Mayo Vs Leitrim (Home)
Remaining 2 Western Divisional Games with same record opposition
Mayo Vs Cavan
Cork Vs Mayo
Please not the schedule of these 17 weeks is from February 5th -Friday 4th of June
Playoffs for 4 more weeks for qualified teams. (12 teams can qualify)
Wild Card round 12th-13th
Western Conference Semifinals 18th -19th
Conference Finals 26th -27th
All Ireland Final East Vs West -4th of July
Please change any parts that you feel would make this better. Dates etc.
Or explain how this would also not work for an Irish perspective. The structure of divisions was based off geographical locations and not based on team quality as this changes over time." Your county squad and transfers only works with a payment system in place. You cant stop anyone from moving like that.
The NFL works well for their franchises etc but that doesnt at all mean it can be just transplanted to other sports exactly as it is with virtually no changes.
The TV coverage really isnt a shambles and again you cant really replicate America as scale, size of market means comparisons are not fair or right.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 26/05/2020 11:01:37
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Not comparable whatsoever. NFL is the most lucrative sport in the world with a system in place to regulate team spending on salaries and a draft to improve struggling teams. You advocate that players not on county panels can declare for another team, that can already happen (Conor Cox in Roscommon is a good example) but very few will up sticks and move across the country for an amateur game unless they happen to be working / living there anyway.
The problem with GAA is that there are a handful of teams in both codes that dominate and will probably always dominate due to numerous factors. The draft is the great leveller in American Sports whereby a good draft can set a team up for success for years, we will never have that here. Under an NFL type conference system the weaker counties would get walloped week after week by the big 6-8 teams if we take the example of football.
I'm not much of a hurling man but the future I'd like to see for football is a summer based league where team have meaningful games against opposition at their own level each week, along with a seeded knockout championship, weaker division 3-4 counties maybe getting home advantage in the early rounds etc.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 26/05/2020 11:09:56
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By losing the league you take away the only chance that small teams have of winning something.
Also on a personal level I hate the American sports set up with cross division games and wildcards and all that and those rival games are great if it's real rivals but there are loads of contrived ones too that were forced in so everyone would have a game
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 26/05/2020 11:21:10
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Replying To Mystic_M: "It's just a straight 16 game regular season and then championship.
Structure
They have 32 teams in the competition (remind you of anything) and are able to complete their regular season between September to December. One bye week.
The teams are broken down by divisions with 8 divisions, 4 in the west and 4 in the east. Making up 2 conferences east vs west. The last team standing in the two conferences will then play in the Superbowl. From an Irish perspective Kerry are western conference and Dublin would be eastern.
This instantly turns the GAA season from being a 9 month season to a 5 month season. 17 weeks for just the regular season not including the 4 weeks of playoffs for the qualified teams.
It blends the best of the national football league which has been a growing success story and also the connection to a knockout all Ireland structure which the two have missed. Winning the national league particularly at the division 1 level means nothing as it gives you no real advantage for the All Ireland series. Where this would change is the best regular season records gain home field advantage and easier fixtures and a bye round. Which means it's not only enough to qualify, it's important to qualify as high as possible.
TV Coverage
It's no secret that the TV coverage in Ireland is a shambles. Whether it's the Sky deal for games or EIR holding all the rights for classic games, it's a mess. The GAA go for the quick buck over what improves the brand over the long run. Short term mindsets have held the GAA brand hostage. Sure they make money but they can't even distribute that equally! Something the NFL in America are able to do each year with the money they generate.
The GAA needs to do yearly deals with TV stations for rights to show games. RTE, Sky, TG4 and EIR need to bid on the schedule of games that would be churned out every year in this new format. It consists of 256 games, where each team (32 total) plays 16 games during a 17-week period.
The time slots for games would be as below
Friday Night for local rivalry games.
Saturday Night double Header.
Sunday Morning 12:30pm Multi-Match Game like Gillette soccer Saturday but with Footage mirroring Sunday night redzone in the NFL
Sunday Prime Time 2:30pm Game
This would then have 4 live games every weekend and a live broadcast for the other games which would kick off at 12:30pm on a sunday and flash around to all the games with footage in a redzone style format. Imagine EIR with the Sunday morning package reviewing over 12 games and Joe Brolly, Shane Curran, Oisin Mcconville, Colm Parkinson and more in the studio going through games.All teams at some stage will be in this slot as well as others to give all the fair exposure.
Sunday Game review show will still remain on a Sunday night. To review all games no matter who the broadcaster is.
A requirement for teams to take part in docuseries will also be made mandatory by the GAA. If not adhered to then it will have a direct impact on the funding provided to by the GAA, exactly like the NFL.
A yearly review done by the all Ireland winning team like "america's game" in the NFL. A football Life style documentary on past players and coaches. And a hard knocks style pre-season mini series in the build up to the season.
County Transfers
During the off-season each county team has to declare their panel for the upcoming season. Any player not selected by the county can freely transfer and play with another but must make a 2 year commitment. A player can also not transfer if he is selected by his own county and wants to play somewhere else. This will remove the risk of highly talented players going to stronger counties. Its design is only to increase the competitiveness of weaker county's who can pluck unwanted stars from other areas. No player has to agree to sign with another county if not selected. They can stay in their own area and try and secure a panel spot which is open all year. But the panel must be limited to a certain number or players so if one comes in another goes out.
The deadline for a potential cross county transfer is week 8 of the regular season. After that no changes can occur until the following pre season.
Fixture Breakdown example
GAA Structure -NFL Style
32 Teams 2 Conferences 8 Divisions - These do NOT change Only the schedules change.
17 Weeks in a season with 1 bye week
16 Game Regular Season
How its decided which division goes against another each year?
Each Division plays another division in another conference once every four years. (4 Games)
You will also play one division in your own conference once every 4 years (4 Games)
For the remaining two games you play 2 teams. One in each of the remaining conference divisions not already selected. Who those teams are, is based on the previous season results and you play the team with the same ranking as you. E.g If you win the division you play the previous winners of the two other remaining divisions.
Example Mayo (West Division)
Note: Mayo have been matched against the North East division for 2021.
Note: Mayo Have been matched against the North West Division for 2021
Note: Based on old standings Mayo's remaining two games in the west will consist of Cork and Cavan. (Expected table 2nd in their division behind Galway. Similar for Cork and Cavan to be second in there division the previous year)
Divisional Game
Mayo Vs Galway (Home)
Galway Vs Mayo (Away)
Roscommon Vs Mayo (Away)
Sligo Vs Mayo (Away)
Mayo Vs Roscommon (Home)
Mayo Vs Sligo (Home)
Rival Eastern Divisional Games
Mayo Vs Armagh (Home)
Mayo Vs Antrim (Home)
Derry Vs Mayo (Awa)
Down Vs Mayo (Away)
Rival Western Divisional
Donegal Vs Mayo (Home)
Tyrone Vs Mayo (Away)
Fermanagh Vs Mayo (Away)
Mayo Vs Leitrim (Home)
Remaining 2 Western Divisional Games with same record opposition
Mayo Vs Cavan
Cork Vs Mayo
Please not the schedule of these 17 weeks is from February 5th -Friday 4th of June
Playoffs for 4 more weeks for qualified teams. (12 teams can qualify)
Wild Card round 12th-13th
Western Conference Semifinals 18th -19th
Conference Finals 26th -27th
All Ireland Final East Vs West -4th of July
Please change any parts that you feel would make this better. Dates etc.
Or explain how this would also not work for an Irish perspective. The structure of divisions was based off geographical locations and not based on team quality as this changes over time." I think with 16 games each you'd get a lot of teams out very early and with little to play for.
I do like the idea of a tighter schedule though.
If we could get rid of provincial championships I've felt for a while that a great season would be 2 National League campaigns back to back.
Spring league April and May 7 rounds, Summer league June and July 7 rounds.
After spring league promotion and relegation 2 up 2 down.
The top 2 teams in division 1 at the end of the Spring league and top 2 teams at the end of Summer League qualify for the playoffs.
If a team qualifies once they go straight to the final. If teams qualify once they play in a semifinal against another team that has qualified once.
It does mean that not every team can win the All Ireland each year. (Only division 1 and division 2 teams at the start of spring league will have a chance).
It does, however, give lots of meaningful games for teams and a proper chance and building, growing and moving up the levels.
Take Antrim, we'd have started in division 4 this season but if we got promoted we'd have a go straight away in the higher tier.
You have a team get relegated and they get an opportunity to put it right straight away.
Teams are tiered but it's quite a flat structure with teams getting a chance at a double promotion each year.
In hurling you'd be talking divisions of 6 with 1 up 1 down plus playoffs between 5th place in the higher division against 2nd place in the lower division.
Every team will play the season that their ability dictates.
The top teams will get 2 division 1 campaigns, there'll be 4 teams get a division 1 and a division 2 campaign, 4 teams get 2 division 2 campaigns and so on.
A team starting in division 4 won't be able to win this year's all All Ireland but they'd be able to win the following season's All Ireland.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 26/05/2020 11:29:47
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Replying To Rolo2010: "Why should we import a complex system from America? The GAA is moving towards a Champions League format. Keeping geographical divisions doesn't make sense anymore. It's great for clubs but not counties. The NFL has a draft and spending caps. This keeps the sport competitive. Let's just split teams into groups of 4 (single or two tier championship) and have home and away games. That gives every team 6 games in the summer. For example, you could have a group consisting of Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone, and Monaghan. That will draw crowds in." I don't believe the GAA is moving to a champions league style format? (Could be wrong on this). All that is changing is that there is a tiered championship which is based off league standings and provincial placing. Champions league structure however could most certainly work and it can be either tired or not. I like the above grouping as an example as it most certainly would draw crowds as you said. How many groups of 4 would you have if it was and was not tired? Is it broken down by standings of a previous year and the best teams chosen to create the most competitive games or how would it be done?
A reason I liked the geographical divisions as it would mean there are a minimum of 3 home and 3 away games with near rivals and limits travel etc for fans. Although there is the potential for games to be non competitive. But maybe this is solved by a tiered approach I don't know. (I guess we will find out on that one in the coming years)
Mystic_M (Kerry) - Posts: 4 - 26/05/2020 11:33:43
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Your county squad and transfers only works with a payment system in place. You cant stop anyone from moving like that.
The NFL works well for their franchises etc but that doesnt at all mean it can be just transplanted to other sports exactly as it is with virtually no changes.
The TV coverage really isnt a shambles and again you cant really replicate America as scale, size of market means comparisons are not fair or right."]True, the details of the county transfer would need to be worked on. However I think there should be changes and allow it become a lot easier for weaker county's to be able to pick up talent from stronger counties. If of course the player is willing and able. I don't think the club the player is playing with should need to be in that county for any player and that it became more freedom of choice for the individual. I think if a weaker county could potentially pick up 5 or 6 players during the winter and get them playing maybe it would increase the interest of the team and the supporters.
TV wise I think there are issues that need to be addressed. I agree on the scale issue but there is very limited viewing available for supporters bar the matches and the Sunday game. People would like to see insight and characters, not just 70 mins.
Mystic_M (Kerry) - Posts: 4 - 26/05/2020 11:40:11
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Replying To Mystic_M: "I don't believe the GAA is moving to a champions league style format? (Could be wrong on this). All that is changing is that there is a tiered championship which is based off league standings and provincial placing. Champions league structure however could most certainly work and it can be either tired or not. I like the above grouping as an example as it most certainly would draw crowds as you said. How many groups of 4 would you have if it was and was not tired? Is it broken down by standings of a previous year and the best teams chosen to create the most competitive games or how would it be done?
A reason I liked the geographical divisions as it would mean there are a minimum of 3 home and 3 away games with near rivals and limits travel etc for fans. Although there is the potential for games to be non competitive. But maybe this is solved by a tiered approach I don't know. (I guess we will find out on that one in the coming years)" The provincials will eventually be replaced by a group stage. I'll bet on that. A single tier has 8 groups of 4 and a two tier championship would have 4 groups of 4. I'd just make it an open draw every year. Maybe seed the semi-finalists from the previous year across the groups.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 26/05/2020 11:44:55
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Look it's fun to play around with ideas and dream up new structures but for me the American NFL structure wouldn't work with the Gaa at all.
For a start the NFL is a fully professional league with some players making tens of millions a year in salary alone. Our lads have their own jobs to juggle and imposing a 16 game regular season on them in 17 weeks + whatever else for the 12 teams who qualify would drive many away from playing altogether.
Although I agree a tigher season is a good idea and the Gaa should have done it long ago.
Friday night games were tried once and failed miserably, again because our lads have their own jobs. You can't expect them to work a 40+ hour week and then play a big championship game on the friday evening. Probably having to leave work early and travel, it went down like a lead baloon the last time for a reason.
Again not to shoot you down for the sake of it, having an intercounty game to watch on a Friday evening would be nice, but it's not fair on the players and won't happen going forward.
Finally the issue of dead rubbers and players walking away come into it. The Bengals had a terrible season last year (2-14) but still drew crowds of 40k+ because the NFL is huge over there and places like Cincinnati want to maintain their team, ie fans will often show up even if the team is doing woefully and the players are well paid pros so there's no issues there.
Now could you imagine two division 4 teams with say 2-11 records each meeting in a round 14 game....there'd be no fans there and they'd likely not be able to field teams as most of the players would have walked away!!
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 26/05/2020 11:51:21
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Not comparable whatsoever. NFL is the most lucrative sport in the world with a system in place to regulate team spending on salaries and a draft to improve struggling teams. You advocate that players not on county panels can declare for another team, that can already happen (Conor Cox in Roscommon is a good example) but very few will up sticks and move across the country for an amateur game unless they happen to be working / living there anyway.
The problem with GAA is that there are a handful of teams in both codes that dominate and will probably always dominate due to numerous factors. The draft is the great leveller in American Sports whereby a good draft can set a team up for success for years, we will never have that here. Under an NFL type conference system the weaker counties would get walloped week after week by the big 6-8 teams if we take the example of football.
I'm not much of a hurling man but the future I'd like to see for football is a summer based league where team have meaningful games against opposition at their own level each week, along with a seeded knockout championship, weaker division 3-4 counties maybe getting home advantage in the early rounds etc." Is the current transfer process you mentioned not based on the percentage rule. Where you have to be related to someone in the county to be able still play with your local club in a different county. And is this not limited to a certain number of county's and a certain number of players allowed to do this in a year? In the above option it would be possible for someone from Dublin for example, to work, live and play club football in Dublin but to be approached by Meath to play with them in December and them to be registered immediately and play with them. Removing the "must play championship" in that county first with there new adopted club. These don't need to be "across the country moves", there are no shortage of nearby weaker county's for players to play for unfortunately
Mystic_M (Kerry) - Posts: 4 - 26/05/2020 11:55:04
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Replying To Rolo2010: "Why should we import a complex system from America? The GAA is moving towards a Champions League format. Keeping geographical divisions doesn't make sense anymore. It's great for clubs but not counties. The NFL has a draft and spending caps. This keeps the sport competitive. Let's just split teams into groups of 4 (single or two tier championship) and have home and away games. That gives every team 6 games in the summer. For example, you could have a group consisting of Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone, and Monaghan. That will draw crowds in." 2 groups of 8 with a single round robin is better than groups of 4 playing a double round robin.
Otherwise something along these lines would be a much better competition than what we've got.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 26/05/2020 12:25:52
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Replying To Whammo86: "2 groups of 8 with a single round robin is better than groups of 4 playing a double round robin.
Otherwise something along these lines would be a much better competition than what we've got." The Meath senior championship changed from 4 groups of 4 (single round of games) in 2002 to 2 groups of 8 (again single round of games) in 2003 and it was a disaster for the quality if the chanpionship.
You had teams losing 3 games and still qualifying for the KO stages, we're still trying to sort out the mess!
As for your earlier point reagrding the playing of a spring and summer league, I have to say personally I'm not a fan. I love straight KO football and 2 leagues deprives us of cup football.
I think the Gaa could look at improving the importance of the league because it is a good competition and maybe move it to April/May and then play a straight KO cup competition in the summer with elements of the provincials maintained. But all provinces should have 8 teams to make them even (this means some teams would have to float between them from season to season).
The Gaa could possibly even overlap the NFL & Championship over a 4/5 month period, provided there's enough agreement to this.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 26/05/2020 13:04:19
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Replying To Htaem: "The Meath senior championship changed from 4 groups of 4 (single round of games) in 2002 to 2 groups of 8 (again single round of games) in 2003 and it was a disaster for the quality if the chanpionship.
You had teams losing 3 games and still qualifying for the KO stages, we're still trying to sort out the mess!
As for your earlier point reagrding the playing of a spring and summer league, I have to say personally I'm not a fan. I love straight KO football and 2 leagues deprives us of cup football.
I think the Gaa could look at improving the importance of the league because it is a good competition and maybe move it to April/May and then play a straight KO cup competition in the summer with elements of the provincials maintained. But all provinces should have 8 teams to make them even (this means some teams would have to float between them from season to season).
The Gaa could possibly even overlap the NFL & Championship over a 4/5 month period, provided there's enough agreement to this." Yeah I played football in Meath myself.
I know exactly the mess you're talking about.
A big problem in Meath was 4 teams making it through to the knockout rounds.
You'd need at most 3 teams going through. With that system it's pretty hard and far from guaranteed to get through with 8 points.
4 groups of 4 where teams play a single round robin would be good though. 4th place into a relegation playoff.
It was the double round robin aspect of the groups of 4 I've a problem with.
There'd be a load of dead rubbers at the end of that format.
The 2 leagues format is just good for scheduling and getting teams the most number of matches possible but I take your point, you're losing out on the fun of knockout championship competition.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 26/05/2020 13:40:07
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Replying To Htaem: "The Meath senior championship changed from 4 groups of 4 (single round of games) in 2002 to 2 groups of 8 (again single round of games) in 2003 and it was a disaster for the quality if the chanpionship.
You had teams losing 3 games and still qualifying for the KO stages, we're still trying to sort out the mess!
As for your earlier point reagrding the playing of a spring and summer league, I have to say personally I'm not a fan. I love straight KO football and 2 leagues deprives us of cup football.
I think the Gaa could look at improving the importance of the league because it is a good competition and maybe move it to April/May and then play a straight KO cup competition in the summer with elements of the provincials maintained. But all provinces should have 8 teams to make them even (this means some teams would have to float between them from season to season).
The Gaa could possibly even overlap the NFL & Championship over a 4/5 month period, provided there's enough agreement to this." I don't like the floating provincials idea. It's not that important to even up the numbers. The big problem is the uneven quality.
Kerry have an easy run because Munster is poor quality with Cork struggling in recent years. Say adding Wexford and Carlow into Munster would not make it any more competitive.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 26/05/2020 13:51:31
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perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3841 - 26/05/2020 14:05:43
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Replying To Whammo86: "Yeah I played football in Meath myself.
I know exactly the mess you're talking about.
A big problem in Meath was 4 teams making it through to the knockout rounds.
You'd need at most 3 teams going through. With that system it's pretty hard and far from guaranteed to get through with 8 points.
4 groups of 4 where teams play a single round robin would be good though. 4th place into a relegation playoff.
It was the double round robin aspect of the groups of 4 I've a problem with.
There'd be a load of dead rubbers at the end of that format.
The 2 leagues format is just good for scheduling and getting teams the most number of matches possible but I take your point, you're losing out on the fun of knockout championship competition." Ye the Meath County Board made a complete mess of things and we're talking a long time to correct it.
Again I think the league is a good competition and playing it at a more attractive time of the year could really lift its status. As it is a lot of games are well attended in the freezing cold of February & March, surely with a bit of better weather, crowds could rise again.
As for the championship, I have nothing against trying new things, and if they work out then great. For me personally, I think the championship was at it's best when it was straight KO.
Now I don't necessarily think it should just go back to the way it was, I'd be open to new suggestions but I would like a proper cup competition.
Ps, I don't like the super 8s or the Tommy Murphy Cup resurrection (otherwise known as the Tailteann Cup). Whatever about trying news things that may not work, trying old things that proved to be a failure is infuriating and embarrassing!
B All-Ireland - Failed (in fact the handle even fell off the cup as Kevin O'Brein of Wicklow raised it in triumph)
Tommy Murphy Cup - Failed
Tailteann Cup - wait and see, but I don't have high hopes!
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 26/05/2020 14:38:29
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Replying To Whammo86: "I don't like the floating provincials idea. It's not that important to even up the numbers. The big problem is the uneven quality.
Kerry have an easy run because Munster is poor quality with Cork struggling in recent years. Say adding Wexford and Carlow into Munster would not make it any more competitive." Granted floating provinces would be a hard sell, but the issue of what to do with the provincials is a difficult one. The Provincial Councils still hold quite a bit of power and will not roll over easy to any suggestions which marginalize their competitions.
However once the provincials are competitive then there's not much complaint but in the last decade (2010-2019) Dublin and Kerry have won all but one of their repective provincial crowns.
Connacht and Ulster however have remained competitive and winning those still appears to mean a lot to the winner team.
How to make them more competitive though, that's another question. Teams dominating a particular province is not exactly a new phenomenon, but people seem less accepting of it these days.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 26/05/2020 14:52:05
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Replying To Whammo86: "2 groups of 8 with a single round robin is better than groups of 4 playing a double round robin.
Otherwise something along these lines would be a much better competition than what we've got." I disagree. Groups of 4 works just fine and you'd have to go to great lengths to find any serious issues with the format. Tier 1 will always be competitive because the bottom 4 teams will go into the relegation finals. You want two Leagues to be played back to back. That's not a realistic expectation.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 26/05/2020 17:09:14
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Replying To Whammo86: "Yeah I played football in Meath myself.
I know exactly the mess you're talking about.
A big problem in Meath was 4 teams making it through to the knockout rounds.
You'd need at most 3 teams going through. With that system it's pretty hard and far from guaranteed to get through with 8 points.
4 groups of 4 where teams play a single round robin would be good though. 4th place into a relegation playoff.
It was the double round robin aspect of the groups of 4 I've a problem with.
There'd be a load of dead rubbers at the end of that format.
The 2 leagues format is just good for scheduling and getting teams the most number of matches possible but I take your point, you're losing out on the fun of knockout championship competition." The 2 Leagues format will never gain traction among the county boards. There would be very few dead rubbers in a single or double round-robin format. I'll take either one. A single round-robin would require a neutral game so each teams get one home and one away game. Fans want a knockout championship in the summer. They don't want a League to drag on and then have 4 teams in the semi-finals.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 193 - 26/05/2020 17:14:13
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