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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "11 a side hurling or football game at Windsor Park, lol"
Hey stranger things have happened I guess.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1082 - 07/05/2020 23:43:45    2277742

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Replying To Trump2020:  "I'd say most agree with most of your points but just remember that the originating countries of many sports are not necessarily the best at them once the rest of the world gets involved. Soccer for example started in England but they're not the best anymore. Golf started in Scotland but they're not the best anymore, etc. The same could possibly go with GAA sports if it ever happened but as you said it would be far fetched."
For the GAA to be played as a global sport it would have to be based on a 7s game as the pitches globally just don't exist for a 15s game. Once you get into 7s you are talking about a different game. Even being affiliated with the IOC would make the game far more attractive overseas than it is currently, the potential to be an olympic sport at some stage is there and also its how a lot of governments decide sports funding. As an amateur game Ireland wouldn't necessarily have the advantage if they were trying to play it as an all Ireland team (could just pick the Dubs I guess :)). The same goes for other countries - the bigger the country the harder it would be to put together the team. Overseas countries where the games is just based on the capital city would have an advantage. You never know it could end up like the Rugby 7s with its own professional circuit - it would be a far superior product to Rugby 7s.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 982 - 08/05/2020 02:38:10    2277743

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Replying To zinny:  "For the GAA to be played as a global sport it would have to be based on a 7s game as the pitches globally just don't exist for a 15s game. Once you get into 7s you are talking about a different game. Even being affiliated with the IOC would make the game far more attractive overseas than it is currently, the potential to be an olympic sport at some stage is there and also its how a lot of governments decide sports funding. As an amateur game Ireland wouldn't necessarily have the advantage if they were trying to play it as an all Ireland team (could just pick the Dubs I guess :)). The same goes for other countries - the bigger the country the harder it would be to put together the team. Overseas countries where the games is just based on the capital city would have an advantage. You never know it could end up like the Rugby 7s with its own professional circuit - it would be a far superior product to Rugby 7s."
Yeah I like rugby but I'd take Hurling or Football over it any day.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1082 - 08/05/2020 12:12:42    2277755

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With the possession game lads can strike the ball over 100 meter's comfortably by working the ball to a player who can get a clean strike out of his hand creating a problem for smaller pitches used for other sports. I'd like to see a 9 or 11 side game with no catching allowed. Without catching the possession game would be a lot more difficult to execute, players would be striking under pressure and should lessen the distance the ball traveled though it mightn't be enough.

I think it would be some sight though, players striking let and right off the stick. Over head pulling, a great skill but on that has little place in the modern game would become a core skill again.

I actually thing some reduction in the about of ball handling in the current game would be worth looking at too. Games with 50+ scores and another 10-20 wides don't tend to be great spectacles so something like this could be an interesting experiment.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 80 - 08/05/2020 14:12:04    2277764

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Replying To softpretzel7:  "The Fenway event was a poor substitute for proper hurling but it really allowed the goalkeepers to showcase their talents. The problem with hurling events in other countries is the size of the pitch. An American football pitch is 109m x 53m. Croke park is 145m x 88m. Rugby pitches are generally larger than American football but still not nearly as wide as GAA pitches. Another rule set or smaller squads is unfortunately necessary in the US and many other countries.

Ok, so we agree its stupid to think of GAA in the Olympics. That being said, I'm taking bets on the medal results:

Hurling:
Gold: Ireland
Silver: USA
Bronze: UK
4th: Scotland (by then Scotland will be its own separate country and the Shinty players have some skills)

Football:
Gold: Ireland
Silver: Australia
Bronze: Canada
4th: New Zealand"
If the Aussie rules lads were given 4 years to train and a sniif of an olympic medal I reckon they would beat us handy in the football.

Unless of course it was strictly amateur like the boxing and even then the funding money would play a huge part

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 08/05/2020 14:21:51    2277765

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Yeah I like rugby but I'd take Hurling or Football over it any day."
The challenges faced by International Rugby to expand the game are similar to that of hurling. The game itself makes it difficult and the strong seem content to keep things the way it is.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 982 - 08/05/2020 15:20:40    2277768

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Replying To Breezy:  "If the Aussie rules lads were given 4 years to train and a sniif of an olympic medal I reckon they would beat us handy in the football.

Unless of course it was strictly amateur like the boxing and even then the funding money would play a huge part"
I'd put Irish lads up against the Aussies IF they got the same training and support the Aussies get. When Irish Footballers are made up of farmers, teachers, gardia, etc you get what you get. Hard to compare in a fair manner with professionals like the Aussie Rules lads.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1082 - 08/05/2020 15:20:59    2277769

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Replying To zinny:  "The challenges faced by International Rugby to expand the game are similar to that of hurling. The game itself makes it difficult and the strong seem content to keep things the way it is."
Yeah.....less oversight and EYES watching the money. lol.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1082 - 08/05/2020 15:38:05    2277770

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Replying To Trump2020:  "I'd put Irish lads up against the Aussies IF they got the same training and support the Aussies get. When Irish Footballers are made up of farmers, teachers, gardia, etc you get what you get. Hard to compare in a fair manner with professionals like the Aussie Rules lads."
There's not too many farmers playing inter county GAA anymore....

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 979 - 08/05/2020 15:42:07    2277771

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Replying To Bon:  "There's not too many farmers playing inter county GAA anymore...."
I know, I was just generalizing. Still the same basic point.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1082 - 08/05/2020 16:32:56    2277775

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Republic of Ireland GAA vs Northern Ireland GAA, that's one thing that won't happen

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 140 - 22/05/2020 16:52:42    2278991

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "Republic of Ireland GAA vs Northern Ireland GAA, that's one thing that won't happen"
I'd say something Provincial like the Railway Cup would be as close as you'll get to that. Maybe some kind of Charity or Challenge match to open a Stadium up North would happen that way.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1082 - 22/05/2020 18:59:54    2279003

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Replying To Bon:  "That's if the GAA were actually serious is promoting hurling in weaker counties, instead of playing Mickey mouse bastardised games in the states."
The only way hurling can trive in weaker counties is to split in the gaa ! The dominent sport is the enemy in general . Wexford done well in football because of matt ford and more so the weakness of the hurlers at the time , i believe they gained a few hurlers . They are division 4 now ? and i believe 7 or 8 of the hurlers would make the football team. How many Dublin footballer would make the hurling team ? Get the strong teams in kildare hurling to disband football in the club . kildare has a lot of clubs and should be stronger that carlow . . The dominent gaa sport a given county is the eneny within in a given county and ,not soccer and rugby . The problems are at county board level not the centeral gaa

jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 22/05/2020 20:16:42    2279010

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Replying To jfk21:  "The only way hurling can trive in weaker counties is to split in the gaa ! The dominent sport is the enemy in general . Wexford done well in football because of matt ford and more so the weakness of the hurlers at the time , i believe they gained a few hurlers . They are division 4 now ? and i believe 7 or 8 of the hurlers would make the football team. How many Dublin footballer would make the hurling team ? Get the strong teams in kildare hurling to disband football in the club . kildare has a lot of clubs and should be stronger that carlow . . The dominent gaa sport a given county is the eneny within in a given county and ,not soccer and rugby . The problems are at county board level not the centeral gaa"
Naas and Celbridge won't disband football in their clubs.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 22/05/2020 20:31:57    2279011

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Replying To jfk21:  "The only way hurling can trive in weaker counties is to split in the gaa ! The dominent sport is the enemy in general . Wexford done well in football because of matt ford and more so the weakness of the hurlers at the time , i believe they gained a few hurlers . They are division 4 now ? and i believe 7 or 8 of the hurlers would make the football team. How many Dublin footballer would make the hurling team ? Get the strong teams in kildare hurling to disband football in the club . kildare has a lot of clubs and should be stronger that carlow . . The dominent gaa sport a given county is the eneny within in a given county and ,not soccer and rugby . The problems are at county board level not the centeral gaa"
How many soccer clubs were in ireland and how many hurling clubs in 1970 .. Huge growth in soccer and rugby and not much in hurling since then even though is polularity has increased . The reason is football ! For every dual supporter at club level their is the person who openly or secretly despises the other gaa sport in theiir club... a split is well overdue , will never happen

jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 22/05/2020 20:47:55    2279014

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Replying To Trump2020:  "I'd say something Provincial like the Railway Cup would be as close as you'll get to that. Maybe some kind of Charity or Challenge match to open a Stadium up North would happen that way."
It would be all of Ulster vs Rest of Ireland if anything, no way GAA or even fans in the 6 counties would accept a Northern Ireland team

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 140 - 22/05/2020 21:57:17    2279018

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Kingdomboy will stop whinging about Dublin -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2113 - 22/05/2020 23:35:52    2279029

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "It would be all of Ulster vs Rest of Ireland if anything, no way GAA or even fans in the 6 counties would accept a Northern Ireland team"
Yeah I agree with that.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1082 - 22/05/2020 23:50:39    2279031

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Replying To jfk21:  "How many soccer clubs were in ireland and how many hurling clubs in 1970 .. Huge growth in soccer and rugby and not much in hurling since then even though is polularity has increased . The reason is football ! For every dual supporter at club level their is the person who openly or secretly despises the other gaa sport in theiir club... a split is well overdue , will never happen"
I am not sure there has been much of a growth in Rugby clubs, yes the game may have become a bit more popular in terms of attendance, TV and perhaps at the mini levels but actual clubs would be interesting to see. I would see the challenges faced by Rugby very similar to that of Hurling and that is the game itself does not lead to natural growth. More than ever safety in sport is important and having parents believe that they kids will be safe playing a sport is massive. My own kids play multiple sports but their mother who was not brought up with sports shivers every time she has to go and watch them play hurling or rugby. So lets face the fact that to a lot of parents hurling does not have that appeal for their kids to play. Stronger counties don't have this problem which means that they cannot see that their own attitudes to safety in the game is an issue. When you get the analysts on going on about how manly the game is you put another nail in the coffin in weaker counties. There is illegal play in football as well but you don't have a stick to hit people with in football, implement the rules that are there and stop making excuses for dangerous play - sure he didn't mean it etc. Making helmets and faceguards compulsory came way to late and it also looks as if the same is happening to the concept of eliminating dangerous play.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 982 - 23/05/2020 12:06:45    2279049

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Replying To jfk21:  "The only way hurling can trive in weaker counties is to split in the gaa ! The dominent sport is the enemy in general . Wexford done well in football because of matt ford and more so the weakness of the hurlers at the time , i believe they gained a few hurlers . They are division 4 now ? and i believe 7 or 8 of the hurlers would make the football team. How many Dublin footballer would make the hurling team ? Get the strong teams in kildare hurling to disband football in the club . kildare has a lot of clubs and should be stronger that carlow . . The dominent gaa sport a given county is the eneny within in a given county and ,not soccer and rugby . The problems are at county board level not the centeral gaa"
Splitting the gaa iant the answer. That would only hurt the weaker sport in a lot of counties and not help them
Why all spaces before full stops, commas etc?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 23/05/2020 13:39:06    2279056

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