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Just saw this in the Indo

For May, employees earning up to €24,400 per annum have been asked to waive 15 per cent of their income while those earning over that amount will have their wages cut by 30 per cent.

In June those on between €24,400 and €38,000 annually will take a 30 per cent cut in pay, while those on more than €38,000 will be cut by 40 per cent.

Fairly savage cuts all a round. Even for the big earners someone on €100k would take home €1250 per week would be down to €870 and at the bottom €442 down to €382. Are those earning €24k full time??

Surely there must be other places to save cash? Maybe hold congress remotely for a year or two. Save a bit on the travel, hotels etc. I'm not against corporate travel at all, in fact i think you achieve much more face to face but if things are so bad that we are reducing the lowest paid staff by 15% I think we need to look right across the organisation for savings.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1292 - 01/05/2020 14:34:17    2277208

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The lack of income from the championship which even if some championship does happen which is highly unlikely, is coming home to roost for the Gaa. They must not have the cash reserves people think they have when they are planning to do this. A lot of county boards and clubs are in for tough times with fundraising gone for the foreseeable future. Really missing the games but it's a necessity to shut it down the problem is until a vaccine is found its difficult to see how games can be got going again

green.and.gold (Leitrim) - Posts: 400 - 01/05/2020 19:22:01    2277232

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Replying To green.and.gold:  "The lack of income from the championship which even if some championship does happen which is highly unlikely, is coming home to roost for the Gaa. They must not have the cash reserves people think they have when they are planning to do this. A lot of county boards and clubs are in for tough times with fundraising gone for the foreseeable future. Really missing the games but it's a necessity to shut it down the problem is until a vaccine is found its difficult to see how games can be got going again"
How many full time staff work for the gaa do you know?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 01/05/2020 21:22:35    2277239

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Know a few coaches in my own county

green.and.gold (Leitrim) - Posts: 400 - 01/05/2020 21:37:09    2277241

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Replying To green.and.gold:  "Know a few coaches in my own county"
Do they ever give a list I wonder, it would interesting to know.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 01/05/2020 23:18:33    2277254

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "How many full time staff work for the gaa do you know?"
The whole Dublin team according to you

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 02/05/2020 01:20:34    2277256

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "How many full time staff work for the gaa do you know?"
Somewhere between 500 and 600, as far as I know. A bit unclear, though, as some would be employed nationally, with others employed separately by provincial councils and county boards.

football first (None) - Posts: 1181 - 02/05/2020 08:32:48    2277261

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Replying To Breezy:  "The whole Dublin team according to you"
Ah look who's trying to stir things up on hoganstand, shouldnt you be out lighting bonfires :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 02/05/2020 10:45:00    2277274

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Replying To football first:  "Somewhere between 500 and 600, as far as I know. A bit unclear, though, as some would be employed nationally, with others employed separately by provincial councils and county boards."
42 full time in management, administration and marketing according to the accounts but yeah there are many more employed by secondary bodies so very hard to get together an overall figure. I'd be surprised if it was anywhere near 600 though unless you are counting casual staff employed on match days etc.

Those are absolutely savage cuts, I've never heard of anybody taking a 40% cut not even in the pits of the last recession, presumably it's temporary. A lot of these people have nothing to do now so they are probably just trying to keep them on the books for when things get going again as they will need people who know the run of the place.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 02/05/2020 10:51:44    2277275

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "42 full time in management, administration and marketing according to the accounts but yeah there are many more employed by secondary bodies so very hard to get together an overall figure. I'd be surprised if it was anywhere near 600 though unless you are counting casual staff employed on match days etc.

Those are absolutely savage cuts, I've never heard of anybody taking a 40% cut not even in the pits of the last recession, presumably it's temporary. A lot of these people have nothing to do now so they are probably just trying to keep them on the books for when things get going again as they will need people who know the run of the place."
Gerry the gaa are probably hoping the government will give them more of our tax money.

When you see what they are buying like farms in Meath to grow pitches and clonlife college to build a big hotel and to develop 5/6 full size pitches.

I hope the government aren't fooled.

We should all be allowed to look at the gaa's finances and see exactly where all our money is going.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 11732 - 02/05/2020 11:35:49    2277280

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Replying To green.and.gold:  "The lack of income from the championship which even if some championship does happen which is highly unlikely, is coming home to roost for the Gaa. They must not have the cash reserves people think they have when they are planning to do this. A lot of county boards and clubs are in for tough times with fundraising gone for the foreseeable future. Really missing the games but it's a necessity to shut it down the problem is until a vaccine is found its difficult to see how games can be got going again"
They don't have huge cash reserves. The whole basis of the GAA is that they re-invest a large portion of revenues back into grassroots and they don't hoard cash. All of the GAA's detailed annual reports are available publicly for anyone to look at.
Gate receipts are the primary source of revenue, so it's going to be a very tough year.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 875 - 02/05/2020 11:45:29    2277281

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Gerry the gaa are probably hoping the government will give them more of our tax money.

When you see what they are buying like farms in Meath to grow pitches and clonlife college to build a big hotel and to develop 5/6 full size pitches.

I hope the government aren't fooled.

We should all be allowed to look at the gaa's finances and see exactly where all our money is going."
Buying farms in Meath to grow pitches. Now that what I call really investing in grass roots :) :) :) :)

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 02/05/2020 13:11:53    2277288

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "42 full time in management, administration and marketing according to the accounts but yeah there are many more employed by secondary bodies so very hard to get together an overall figure. I'd be surprised if it was anywhere near 600 though unless you are counting casual staff employed on match days etc.

Those are absolutely savage cuts, I've never heard of anybody taking a 40% cut not even in the pits of the last recession, presumably it's temporary. A lot of these people have nothing to do now so they are probably just trying to keep them on the books for when things get going again as they will need people who know the run of the place."
From RTE:

"All told, 500 employees paid by Central Council, will be affected."

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1115 - 02/05/2020 14:03:19    2277293

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Gerry the gaa are probably hoping the government will give them more of our tax money.

When you see what they are buying like farms in Meath to grow pitches and clonlife college to build a big hotel and to develop 5/6 full size pitches.

I hope the government aren't fooled.

We should all be allowed to look at the gaa's finances and see exactly where all our money is going."
No chance of that, every sector of society is looking for help now, GAA will be a long way down the list.

You are allowed look at the finances by the way, they publish a detailed annual report and financial statements each year. It's all in there and freely available on their website.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 02/05/2020 14:59:20    2277297

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Gerry the gaa are probably hoping the government will give them more of our tax money.

When you see what they are buying like farms in Meath to grow pitches and clonlife college to build a big hotel and to develop 5/6 full size pitches.

I hope the government aren't fooled.

We should all be allowed to look at the gaa's finances and see exactly where all our money is going."
You are allowed. The annual report is made public every year. It documents all income and expenditure to the cent.
You can give it a read over a cup of tea this evening.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 875 - 02/05/2020 15:00:27    2277298

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "From RTE:

"All told, 500 employees paid by Central Council, will be affected.""
Fair enough. Wouldn't have imagined that there was that many full time employees. No wonder the cuts are so deep.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 02/05/2020 16:11:10    2277302

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "They don't have huge cash reserves. The whole basis of the GAA is that they re-invest a large portion of revenues back into grassroots and they don't hoard cash. All of the GAA's detailed annual reports are available publicly for anyone to look at.
Gate receipts are the primary source of revenue, so it's going to be a very tough year."
If the details are available can you tell me any of the top salaries and can you tell me the cost of maintaining the surface of Croke Park on a yearly basis. I am not so sure that much can be gained from what you refer to as 'detailed' annual report, except what we take in and what goes out -specifics are scarce. By the way we are not allowed the transparency of how individual delegates vote on vital issues.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2189 - 02/05/2020 17:02:25    2277306

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Gerry the gaa are probably hoping the government will give them more of our tax money.

When you see what they are buying like farms in Meath to grow pitches and clonlife college to build a big hotel and to develop 5/6 full size pitches.

I hope the government aren't fooled.

We should all be allowed to look at the gaa's finances and see exactly where all our money is going."
Yerra Tom isn't that what the poor farmer does and puts the lámhín out for the few bob. Taxes , sure ye wouldn't know what they are over there ;)

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 02/05/2020 17:31:13    2277307

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Fair enough. Wouldn't have imagined that there was that many full time employees. No wonder the cuts are so deep."
They are not all 'full time' employees. This is from the Independent:

"The changes will affect approximately 500 employees either fully or partially paid by Central Council.

In a wholly unlikely doomsday scenario, the GAA would stand to lose in the region of €60m if they were unable to stage the All-Ireland championships this year.

The GAA's 2019 financial report showed total annual turnover of €118 million, up 11 per cent on the previous year."

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1115 - 02/05/2020 17:31:49    2277308

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "They are not all 'full time' employees. This is from the Independent:

"The changes will affect approximately 500 employees either fully or partially paid by Central Council.

In a wholly unlikely doomsday scenario, the GAA would stand to lose in the region of €60m if they were unable to stage the All-Ireland championships this year.

The GAA's 2019 financial report showed total annual turnover of €118 million, up 11 per cent on the previous year.""
That's €60m in revenue. They are projecting and actual loss for the year of €15m to €20m if there is no championship. They have enough cash reserves to deal with that if it's only for one year and they have very little debt. It would be very unfortunate and would have a huge knock on effect on some of the capital projects they have planned but it won't sink them.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 02/05/2020 18:41:12    2277312

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