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Ya you're spot on with Mullane. It was rare that he didnt score 0-4 in a game. I think even in the 2008 hammering he may have even got 0-4 from play - if memory serves me correctly. In a game against Tipp one time he scored 4/5 and was fouled for 4/5 more also. I'm not knocking the importance of free takers but I'd be interested to see scores from play of the current generation. I done a calculation a year or two ago on Reid, Canning and Noel McGrath and McGrath had actually double the average scores from play of the other two. If anyone has any stats or links it would be interesting to see. I'd imagine John McGrath would be high up on the list of current players. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2911 - 27/05/2020 20:43:42 2279355 Link 1 |
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I'm not bashing free takers either.For aguements sake , if Mullane scored free at shefflins ( averaged 5pts a game from frees) , Canning or and other top free takers rate, score per game ratio goes to 8.8 a game , Shefflins career average was 8pts a game. McGrath's record on wiki is 5.122pts in 52 game an average of over 2.6pts a game and that's great scoring ,way better than Reid's at a guess . Mullane is out on his own with scores per game ! He should walk on this team...games 47, scores 15goals134 pts , average of 3.8. . For the record Corbett is 29.82pts in 53 games, an average almost 3.2 pts a game
jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 28/05/2020 01:42:52 2279367 Link 0 |
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Stats don't lie but statisticians do. The reason Henry, Joe Canning or the likes are considered great is in big games during big moments they came up big. Not saying Mullane shouldn't be on the team anyone can make an argument for him, great player with a great heart, but leave the statistics at home and just watch the games.
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 183 - 28/05/2020 11:03:10 2279375 Link 1 |
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Good points there gatha. Scoring stats tell us somehing but there's much more to consider. What they call "assists" in other codes should also come into the equation but again there is much more. The two men you mention (Shefflin and Canning) regularly "took games by the scruff of the neck" and hauled their teams back into games that were slipping away from them. Eoin Kelly often did the same for Tipp and there are others who could be put in that category also. The guy who wins a vital free seldom gets enough credit, and sometimes the freetaker himself wins many of the frees, but bare statistics never tell even half the story.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 221 - 28/05/2020 12:14:54 2279378 Link 1 |
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Yes exactly but You'll find these high scoring forward such as Mullane won a lot of those frees. Anyone who has an average of almost 4 points a game in a team that wouldn't actually be hammering everyone around them like kk were - deserves to be higher up on the list.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2911 - 28/05/2020 16:52:39 2279396 Link 0 |
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There's no way that their should be 3 Tipp players in the full forward line Maroonforever (Galway) - Posts: 372 - 29/05/2020 16:25:20 2279449 Link 1 |
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Disingenuous argument, off the top of my head, and open to correction, but I don't think Brennan or Shefflin ever played Carlow or Laois in championship, and maybe played Westmeath once. Scored plenty against Dublin, Offaly and Wexford, granted, but then again they scored plenty in All Ireland finals too.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1112 - 29/05/2020 22:54:51 2279476 Link 1 |
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The Tipp voting public seem to have had an inordinate influence on the make up of the team. I'm surprised Michael Lowry and Mattie McGrath weren't named in the half forward line.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1112 - 29/05/2020 22:56:54 2279477 Link 2 |
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Disingenuous alright , you can only play what's in front of you ! Trying to make a better case for Mullane ! One or 9 all ireland does not make you the greatest player ever . Ciaran Whelan started the year after Dublin won an all ireland , retired the year before their next. if around at the right time he would have 5 in a row , maybe won 7 in a row or 10 in total ,same player. If point per game are an irrelevant stastic so are medals won when picking a team.
jfk21 (Dublin) - Posts: 51 - 30/05/2020 00:43:32 2279486 Link 0 |
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Now now lay off Michael and Mattie. I'd have Phil Hogan who - threatened to turn off anyones water who didn't pay the water charge in the forwards before either of them (;-).
Coopers_Helmet (Tipperary) - Posts: 154 - 30/05/2020 11:26:46 2279506 Link 0 |
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I will take my Kilkenny 15 against the country Manager B. Cody Murphy W. O'Connor Hickey Tyrell Walsh G Henderson JJ Cummins Fenelly TJ Henry Larkin Brennan DJ Hogan subs N. Skehan, R.Power, J Hennessey, P. Murphy, E. Morrissey, B. Fitzpatrick gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 183 - 30/05/2020 13:10:15 2279519 Link 1 |
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The sour cream was it you got kitty ?
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 31/05/2020 01:11:35 2279565 Link 1 |
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Some team that Gatha. Any team that leaves Joe Hennessy on the bench is a serious outfit. Richie Power senior or junior? Both were superb stickmen. I'd rate the father higher than the son.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 31 - 31/05/2020 06:00:42 2279569 Link 0 |
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Both Powers were very good I would take either one of them.
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 183 - 31/05/2020 16:17:35 2279597 Link 0 |
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Heard a pod with Diarmuid O'Sullivan recently, did Joe Canning really score 2-14 off him? StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 13/06/2020 16:21:37 2280666 Link 0 |
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He got 2-12 out of 2-15 Galway scored, about 1-4 from play I think
wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 2602 - 13/06/2020 21:03:55 2280717 Link 0 |
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Very true what a half back line that would have been I agree that players should have been picked in their proper positions not try to find a place for players. No doubt JJ Delaney was one if not the best defenders in living memory and probably of all time clooney (Clare) - Posts: 568 - 16/06/2020 12:35:47 2281019 Link 0 |