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We can follow the public health advice and still get on with life, we have to, hopefully there will be a vaccine eventually but I have my doubts just from a lay mans view, there is no vaccine for the common cold or Hiv and the annual flu jab has to be repeated and varied every year so I can't see there being a one shot vaccine for Covid 19 either, it would have to part of the annual flu jab then surely?
I am all for following the rules and do my best as most people do but I think unless the virus weakens and becomes like the ordinary cold or flu we are stuck with it and the world will have to go on somehow, we will run out of credit eventually,
I suppose looking back at the history of the Spanish flu would give you some hope that we will develop a herd immunity to it eventually and it might weaken and not be as deadly in vulnerable groups.
In regard to the testing and daily numbers I know of 2 cases were the people involved were notified that they
were positive for Covid that were never even tested,
in on case the person had the test arranged but it was rescheduled, in the meantime while waiting to be tested he was notified he was positive,
another person I know had their child at the hospital for a routine appointment and they were notified that the child had tested positive for Covid despite never have been tested.
Now this could just be Letterkenny hospitals fault because they are famous up here for such things. Still though it would make me wonder more about the positive daily numbers that are announced out every evening.
All these billions that are being pumped into the HSE, surely we could build a big Covid hospital or make one hospital a specialist Covid only centre, people came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick, surely to God with all this money it can be managed correctly and not wasted by the HSE.
don't be quoting this post Killingfields for Gods sake, it's long enough as it is!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 23/10/2020 17:01:43
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"People came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick".
You must place a very low value on life if you reckon we should be happy today with the standards they had to deal with in the early 20th century.
Cancer was a death sentence with primitive detection methods and few treatments available. Diseases like Typhoid, Polio and TB were rampant, claiming thousands of lives a year.The life expectancy in Ireland in 1946 was 60. Our infant mortality rate was 60 per 1000 live births compared to 2 now. etc. etc.
I'd rather live with restrictions than go back to those days.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "We can follow the public health advice and still get on with life, we have to, hopefully there will be a vaccine eventually but I have my doubts just from a lay mans view, there is no vaccine for the common cold or Hiv and the annual flu jab has to be repeated and varied every year so I can't see there being a one shot vaccine for Covid 19 either, it would have to part of the annual flu jab then surely?
I am all for following the rules and do my best as most people do but I think unless the virus weakens and becomes like the ordinary cold or flu we are stuck with it and the world will have to go on somehow, we will run out of credit eventually,
I suppose looking back at the history of the Spanish flu would give you some hope that we will develop a herd immunity to it eventually and it might weaken and not be as deadly in vulnerable groups.
In regard to the testing and daily numbers I know of 2 cases were the people involved were notified that they
were positive for Covid that were never even tested,
in on case the person had the test arranged but it was rescheduled, in the meantime while waiting to be tested he was notified he was positive,
another person I know had their child at the hospital for a routine appointment and they were notified that the child had tested positive for Covid despite never have been tested.
Now this could just be Letterkenny hospitals fault because they are famous up here for such things. Still though it would make me wonder more about the positive daily numbers that are announced out every evening.
All these billions that are being pumped into the HSE, surely we could build a big Covid hospital or make one hospital a specialist Covid only centre, people came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick, surely to God with all this money it can be managed correctly and not wasted by the HSE.
don't be quoting this post Killingfields for Gods sake, it's long enough as it is!!" Talk about another lock down in January has already started, they are putting it into peoples minds early so people will except it.
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Our HSE has too many chiefs and too few Indians in many of the hospitals . Paying all the chiefs is costing a bomb and that's where all the money goes .
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Replying To CastleBravo: ""People came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick".
You must place a very low value on life if you reckon we should be happy today with the standards they had to deal with in the early 20th century.
Cancer was a death sentence with primitive detection methods and few treatments available. Diseases like Typhoid, Polio and TB were rampant, claiming thousands of lives a year.The life expectancy in Ireland in 1946 was 60. Our infant mortality rate was 60 per 1000 live births compared to 2 now. etc. etc.
I'd rather live with restrictions than go back to those days." That's what you took from my post to reply to? pathetic.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 23/10/2020 21:48:26
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "We can follow the public health advice and still get on with life, we have to, hopefully there will be a vaccine eventually but I have my doubts just from a lay mans view, there is no vaccine for the common cold or Hiv and the annual flu jab has to be repeated and varied every year so I can't see there being a one shot vaccine for Covid 19 either, it would have to part of the annual flu jab then surely?
I am all for following the rules and do my best as most people do but I think unless the virus weakens and becomes like the ordinary cold or flu we are stuck with it and the world will have to go on somehow, we will run out of credit eventually,
I suppose looking back at the history of the Spanish flu would give you some hope that we will develop a herd immunity to it eventually and it might weaken and not be as deadly in vulnerable groups.
In regard to the testing and daily numbers I know of 2 cases were the people involved were notified that they
were positive for Covid that were never even tested,
in on case the person had the test arranged but it was rescheduled, in the meantime while waiting to be tested he was notified he was positive,
another person I know had their child at the hospital for a routine appointment and they were notified that the child had tested positive for Covid despite never have been tested.
Now this could just be Letterkenny hospitals fault because they are famous up here for such things. Still though it would make me wonder more about the positive daily numbers that are announced out every evening.
All these billions that are being pumped into the HSE, surely we could build a big Covid hospital or make one hospital a specialist Covid only centre, people came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick, surely to God with all this money it can be managed correctly and not wasted by the HSE.
don't be quoting this post Killingfields for Gods sake, it's long enough as it is!!" I agree, very little thought has been put into how we deal with this virus going forward, its like everyone is pinning their hopes around a vaccine to solve the problem and for me that's a false hope. I do think that in the next couple of months we will see a vaccine and perhaps one of the biggest health experiments ever carried out in the world on human beings. However even if it works perfectly it will not solve the problem and the world has to get into the phase of dealing with it on an ongoing basis. I was also discussing your concept recently with someone else and I think its the way things have to go. Build specialist hospitals (not in city centers mind you) as by now we know what is needed to treat people with this virus. This would allow regular hospitals to continue as normal - where before you enter you have to test negative (the testing will also improve as we go along). Living in bubbles and lockdowns does not work, a vaccine will not solve the problems and while it could lessen in time that time is no time soon. The problem is there is still too much emotion surrounding this virus and it has been used as a political football around the world for any sensible discussions on the way forward. Collectively the world has stick its head in the sand on this one.
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I agree, very little thought has been put into how we deal with this virus going forward, its like everyone is pinning their hopes around a vaccine to solve the problem and for me that's a false hope. I do think that in the next couple of months we will see a vaccine and perhaps one of the biggest health experiments ever carried out in the world on human beings. However even if it works perfectly it will not solve the problem and the world has to get into the phase of dealing with it on an ongoing basis. I was also discussing your concept recently with someone else and I think its the way things have to go. Build specialist hospitals (not in city centers mind you) as by now we know what is needed to treat people with this virus. This would allow regular hospitals to continue as normal - where before you enter you have to test negative (the testing will also improve as we go along). Living in bubbles and lockdowns does not work, a vaccine will not solve the problems and while it could lessen in time that time is no time soon. The problem is there is still too much emotion surrounding this virus and it has been used as a political football around the world for any sensible discussions on the way forward. Collectively the world has stick its head in the sand on this one.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 948 - 24/10/2020 04:32:37Seriously what planet have been living on if youre thinking that little thought has been put into how to deal with covid.
The irish government have primarily got things spot on with how theyve dealt with covid.
Where does the money for specialist hospitals come from? How do you staff them? Where do the staff come from?
All these billions that are being pumped into the HSE, surely we could build a big Covid hospital or make one hospital a specialist Covid only centre, people came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick, surely to God with all this money it can be managed correctly and not wasted by the HSE.
don't be quoting this post Killingfields for Gods sake, it's long enough as it is!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 931 - 23/10/2020 17:01:43I wasnt the first to quote it.... few more did before hand....
Where is there anything looking like this will weaken and become like the ordinary cold/flu?
And going on about world wars? What nonsense.
Where have you been living in you think we could build a covid specialist centre?
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 24/10/2020 13:44:07
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Congrats to Kerry winning the league during this tough time, it was well deserved. Inter-county should be halted after league ends tomorrow until the Summer of 2021. It is not what we want but we have to do this.
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Yes well done to Kerry, they'll be delighted with winning the title even though they don't really pay big heed to the league, great to get the league completed,
hope all goes well tomorrow, great game in store in Castlebar not sure what the story is with the Tyrone camp though, suppose that's going to be the way it is from here on, players testing positive and dropping out to self isolate, the Rossies done well today to win div 2 despite missing a lot of players,
my money is on Kerry to win Sam this year, I think with Gavin gone and Connolly and Mc Caffrey etc gone Dublin might be beatable this year and Kerry look to be getting stronger as the transition is nearing completion,
I wouldn't worry too much about the heavy defeat for us in Tralee today, a lot of young players against a full strength Kerry more or less, the goals killed us but the young lads done well and it was great experience for them, going to be a different story in Mac Cumhaill park Sunday week. really looking forward to it,
it's going to be defensive and a tough battle, hope we come out the right side of it.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 24/10/2020 17:59:40
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Replying To KillingFields: "I agree, very little thought has been put into how we deal with this virus going forward, its like everyone is pinning their hopes around a vaccine to solve the problem and for me that's a false hope. I do think that in the next couple of months we will see a vaccine and perhaps one of the biggest health experiments ever carried out in the world on human beings. However even if it works perfectly it will not solve the problem and the world has to get into the phase of dealing with it on an ongoing basis. I was also discussing your concept recently with someone else and I think its the way things have to go. Build specialist hospitals (not in city centers mind you) as by now we know what is needed to treat people with this virus. This would allow regular hospitals to continue as normal - where before you enter you have to test negative (the testing will also improve as we go along). Living in bubbles and lockdowns does not work, a vaccine will not solve the problems and while it could lessen in time that time is no time soon. The problem is there is still too much emotion surrounding this virus and it has been used as a political football around the world for any sensible discussions on the way forward. Collectively the world has stick its head in the sand on this one.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 948 - 24/10/2020 04:32:37Seriously what planet have been living on if youre thinking that little thought has been put into how to deal with covid.
The irish government have primarily got things spot on with how theyve dealt with covid.
Where does the money for specialist hospitals come from? How do you staff them? Where do the staff come from?
All these billions that are being pumped into the HSE, surely we could build a big Covid hospital or make one hospital a specialist Covid only centre, people came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick, surely to God with all this money it can be managed correctly and not wasted by the HSE.
don't be quoting this post Killingfields for Gods sake, it's long enough as it is!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 931 - 23/10/2020 17:01:43I wasnt the first to quote it.... few more did before hand....
Where is there anything looking like this will weaken and become like the ordinary cold/flu?
And going on about world wars? What nonsense.
Where have you been living in you think we could build a covid specialist centre?" If you read the post correctly its not about what has gone but rather what's to come and if you think the way things are being done now is how the world can live going forward then you are living in dreamland.
Where does the money come from? - where does the money come from to keep paying for all the cash handouts the government are giving out now?
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 982 - 24/10/2020 18:21:56
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Replying To zinny: " Replying To KillingFields: "I agree, very little thought has been put into how we deal with this virus going forward, its like everyone is pinning their hopes around a vaccine to solve the problem and for me that's a false hope. I do think that in the next couple of months we will see a vaccine and perhaps one of the biggest health experiments ever carried out in the world on human beings. However even if it works perfectly it will not solve the problem and the world has to get into the phase of dealing with it on an ongoing basis. I was also discussing your concept recently with someone else and I think its the way things have to go. Build specialist hospitals (not in city centers mind you) as by now we know what is needed to treat people with this virus. This would allow regular hospitals to continue as normal - where before you enter you have to test negative (the testing will also improve as we go along). Living in bubbles and lockdowns does not work, a vaccine will not solve the problems and while it could lessen in time that time is no time soon. The problem is there is still too much emotion surrounding this virus and it has been used as a political football around the world for any sensible discussions on the way forward. Collectively the world has stick its head in the sand on this one.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 948 - 24/10/2020 04:32:37Seriously what planet have been living on if youre thinking that little thought has been put into how to deal with covid.
The irish government have primarily got things spot on with how theyve dealt with covid.
Where does the money for specialist hospitals come from? How do you staff them? Where do the staff come from?
All these billions that are being pumped into the HSE, surely we could build a big Covid hospital or make one hospital a specialist Covid only centre, people came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick, surely to God with all this money it can be managed correctly and not wasted by the HSE.
don't be quoting this post Killingfields for Gods sake, it's long enough as it is!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 931 - 23/10/2020 17:01:43I wasnt the first to quote it.... few more did before hand....
Where is there anything looking like this will weaken and become like the ordinary cold/flu?
And going on about world wars? What nonsense.
Where have you been living in you think we could build a covid specialist centre?" If you read the post correctly its not about what has gone but rather what's to come and if you think the way things are being done now is how the world can live going forward then you are living in dreamland. Where does the money come from? - where does the money come from to keep paying for all the cash handouts the government are giving out now?"
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1636 - 24/10/2020 19:02:51
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Replying To Crinigan: "Crikey no wonder Northern Ireland is a basket case for Corona. It's an absolute tragedy that we have to share a border with ye otherwise we could have just did what NZ and Australia have done and shut our borders and got rid of the thing. Of course we could do not that because of ye sensitive souls up there. But of course ye lads up there are true Irish patriots and "Gaels" so would always do what's best for the country, right? Like following simple instructions? Ye could even write a ditty about it - "the men behind the masks"?" Crikey Crinigan, fancy going to Athy for a pint? The Norths not the only place with basket cases. Tragedy you have to be neighbours with them. Still they are true Irish who just want a drink. Wee ditty comes to mind," If your Irish come into the parlour "
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 24/10/2020 21:19:24
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Replying To Saynothing: "Crikey Crinigan, fancy going to Athy for a pint? The Norths not the only place with basket cases. Tragedy you have to be neighbours with them. Still they are true Irish who just want a drink. Wee ditty comes to mind," If your Irish come into the parlour "" If you're Irish mo chara you don't start start a post on here or a sentence in real life by saying 'crikey' I think we have a westie in our midst, there's a few of them on here this year, why they bother I don't know but anyway you'd be as well just ignore them, they are only trolls looking for someone to reply to their nonsense posts,
you can spot them very easily, cringey fools.
What's the story for tommorow? have ye a few players isolating?
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 24/10/2020 22:01:03
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "If you're Irish mo chara you don't start start a post on here or a sentence in real life by saying 'crikey' I think we have a westie in our midst, there's a few of them on here this year, why they bother I don't know but anyway you'd be as well just ignore them, they are only trolls looking for someone to reply to their nonsense posts,
you can spot them very easily, cringey fools.
What's the story for tommorow? have ye a few players isolating?" Not easy,but can only hope. Armagh up too, would have been great next year with our own mini league.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 24/10/2020 23:49:03
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Replying To KillingFields: " Replying To zinny: "[quote=KillingFields: "I agree, very little thought has been put into how we deal with this virus going forward, its like everyone is pinning their hopes around a vaccine to solve the problem and for me that's a false hope. I do think that in the next couple of months we will see a vaccine and perhaps one of the biggest health experiments ever carried out in the world on human beings. However even if it works perfectly it will not solve the problem and the world has to get into the phase of dealing with it on an ongoing basis. I was also discussing your concept recently with someone else and I think its the way things have to go. Build specialist hospitals (not in city centers mind you) as by now we know what is needed to treat people with this virus. This would allow regular hospitals to continue as normal - where before you enter you have to test negative (the testing will also improve as we go along). Living in bubbles and lockdowns does not work, a vaccine will not solve the problems and while it could lessen in time that time is no time soon. The problem is there is still too much emotion surrounding this virus and it has been used as a political football around the world for any sensible discussions on the way forward. Collectively the world has stick its head in the sand on this one.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 948 - 24/10/2020 04:32:37Seriously what planet have been living on if youre thinking that little thought has been put into how to deal with covid.
The irish government have primarily got things spot on with how theyve dealt with covid.
Where does the money for specialist hospitals come from? How do you staff them? Where do the staff come from?
All these billions that are being pumped into the HSE, surely we could build a big Covid hospital or make one hospital a specialist Covid only centre, people came through world wars and managed to cope with very little to care for the sick, surely to God with all this money it can be managed correctly and not wasted by the HSE.
don't be quoting this post Killingfields for Gods sake, it's long enough as it is!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 931 - 23/10/2020 17:01:43I wasnt the first to quote it.... few more did before hand....
Where is there anything looking like this will weaken and become like the ordinary cold/flu?
And going on about world wars? What nonsense.
Where have you been living in you think we could build a covid specialist centre?" If you read the post correctly its not about what has gone but rather what's to come and if you think the way things are being done now is how the world can live going forward then you are living in dreamland. Where does the money come from? - where does the money come from to keep paying for all the cash handouts the government are giving out now?"
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 982 - 25/10/2020 01:44:21
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maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1042 - 25/10/2020 09:58:35
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Replying To Saynothing: "Not easy,but can only hope. Armagh up too, would have been great next year with our own mini league." Yes I never thought of that,mini league is right, hope ye get the win today and then lose next Sunday!! Should be a great battle in Ballybofey.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 25/10/2020 13:02:54
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Sorry but your sense of logic needs readjusting. The payments are being made because people cannot work, they cannot work because of COVID and the lockdown, hence if we keep going into lockdowns we keep needing to make the payments. We need to learn to live with it and have people at work - its a crazy idea but it has to happen and if that is to happen. Now your an expert on everything so I assume you have a ready made answer for how we are going to live with this virus going forward or are you one of those people who think we can eradicate it altogether ?
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 952 - 25/10/2020 01:44:21Many of the people on the payments will be getting the payments even if we dont keep going back into lockdown as there jobs were lost and will not be coming back simply because we are out of lockdown.
You have to minimise risk. And you seem to know how we are doing it all wrong so why dont you provide an answer as to how we should be living with it.
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Great win for Tyrone and they will have great momentum now coming into the Ulster Championship next Sunday, Conor McKenna is some addition to them, we have a tough job on our hands now to stop them, hopefully we can get it right on the day,
4 Ulster teams in Div 1 next season, no doubt which is the strongest province, Dublin and Kerry will coast to the All ireland semi finals, different story in Ulster.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 25/10/2020 15:51:24
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Replying To KillingFields: "Sorry but your sense of logic needs readjusting. The payments are being made because people cannot work, they cannot work because of COVID and the lockdown, hence if we keep going into lockdowns we keep needing to make the payments. We need to learn to live with it and have people at work - its a crazy idea but it has to happen and if that is to happen. Now your an expert on everything so I assume you have a ready made answer for how we are going to live with this virus going forward or are you one of those people who think we can eradicate it altogether ?
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 952 - 25/10/2020 01:44:21Many of the people on the payments will be getting the payments even if we dont keep going back into lockdown as there jobs were lost and will not be coming back simply because we are out of lockdown.
You have to minimise risk. And you seem to know how we are doing it all wrong so why dont you provide an answer as to how we should be living with it." So, let me see
I have said we cannot keep locking down the country as a way of living with the virus. I believe everyone needs to wear masks and we need to repurpose our healthcare systems and perhaps build covid specific treatment centers as a way of preventing this virus from causing even more damage. We need to ensure that people working in high risk areas are regularly tested and supported if they are out of work if they have the virus. We need to change our labor laws such that support is given to people who are directly affected by positive cases not everyone in the country. If a viable vaccine is produced, then it should be free and anyone who does not take it will not get financial support if they get the virus. That's just a few but end the lockdowns. There is no one answer but the question needs to be addressed and it not being at the moment.
So tell me since you are on here criticizing everyone who says that we have to change the way we are doing this, tell me how the country continues to pay for all the payments and how people who need to get medical care other then covid are going to get it, or is your solution to hide indoors forever. Your logic is that because some jobs will be lost as a result of covid and how we have responded to it - lockdowns, that we should stay in lockdowns as its not worth coming out of them. Brilliant idea.
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