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Cavanagh was best playing in a tough Ulster setting however, the best I've seen was Frank McGuigan and Matt O' Connor. Google Ulster final with McGuigan and see him score many points with guys dragging out of him-reminded of the try that Fitzgerald score for Ireland (the red guy) he was pushed over the line but when interviewed he said he was pulling them all along. I think that posters should not be naming players from their own county as self praise is no praise (Kerry poster take note). As an aside in Gooches first AI against Mayo his first goal was a very clear push in the back with Ref not up with the play. Great skill full player to watch but did not do well when man-marked (Ref Cooper and Tyrone). The present Kerry Captain is very difficult to man-mark and skill full. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2189 - 07/02/2020 17:26:56 2265994 Link 9 |
Genuine question, what matches specifically did he not do well when man marked? That has been asked several times in the thread already but nobody has answered it. Even when doubled he always came away with scores as far as I remember. His scoring stats in finals was listed earlier and it is very impressive. 2015 is an obvious one but he was a shadow of his former self at that stage. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 07/02/2020 19:46:49 2266019 Link 9 |
Cooper all day long for me. Stephen McDonald, Stephen O'Neill or Mickey Linden ahead of Canavan for me in terms of Ulster players. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2911 - 07/02/2020 20:49:37 2266028 Link 0 |
Canavan in the mid 90s was almost unplayable. Incredible footballer. Not from Tyrone obviously but was happy to see him lift SAM in 03 after 95 as the guy almost singlehandedly won his county an all Ireland that year. V good pundit too always worth listening to. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1498 - 07/02/2020 21:05:41 2266029 Link 1 |
Against Dublin he scored 1 point and his man marker (Philly) scored 1-1. Against Tyrone he did poorly in a semi, or final -not sure which when man -marked. A great and very skilful player no doubt and surprised that Crokes left him on the side line in 2008 for most of the match. In matches that I refer to he was not 'doubled'.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2189 - 07/02/2020 22:40:53 2266046 Link 9 |
I can honestly say as a Kerry man the marker I thought gave Gooch the toughest job and was the best man marker vs Gooch in his prime was Anthony Lynch of Cork. Lynch started at number 7 for Cork but when Gooch reached his peak he was moved to 4 and in fairness he stuck to him like glue. Always gave Gooch massive headaches when we played Cork.
AnFear16 (Kerry) - Posts: 22 - 08/02/2020 02:47:51 2266055 Link 1 |
What game did Philly score 1-01 off him? He scored 1-12 in three games againest Tyrone so what game are you refuring to? Actually don't even answer seeing as you don't even know what game you're talking about yourswlf
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 402 - 08/02/2020 09:49:49 2266061 Link 0 |
Browncows at the risk of being pedantic you made a general statement that he could not deal with being marked. Like others who have said this, you have no specific example bar 2015 of a game where he didn't perform, which I already acknowledged. McMahon got a point that day btw, not 1-1. Having played in so many big games over the years it would be almost statistically impossible to be the best player on the field in every one of them, but even in his quieter games he always chipped in with a couple of scores and tied up the opponents best marker. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1957 - 08/02/2020 10:32:32 2266066 Link 3 |
Didn't you read the first page, Kerry and Cooper were never beaten by Dublin - you'd actually be embarrassed for some. ;D Get with the North Keria. ;) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 08/02/2020 10:56:56 2266071 Link 3 |
Colm Cooper, far more skill than Canavan. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1049 - 08/02/2020 10:58:40 2266072 Link 0 |
But you're the one who's believing things that aren't true posted by others. It's been asked already what games did Copper go missing in? What game did McMahon score 1-01 in while he was marking Copper? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 402 - 08/02/2020 11:56:05 2266080 Link 0 |
Gooch didn't score off McMahon in 2015 final. McMahon scored a point that day. I seem to remember a reference of some remark made by a certain player and I think it might have been that day. Very low stuff if that's the case. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1647 - 08/02/2020 11:56:46 2266081 Link 2 |
The trouble with these threads is that in trying to put forward an argument for one player, some people slip into the trap of running down the other. Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 08/02/2020 12:18:04 2266083 Link 2 |
But he said McMahon socred 1-01 and others are agree with this even though it's not true
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 402 - 08/02/2020 12:33:03 2266087 Link 0 |
Its Canavan, and to be honest it wasn't even a debate for me. I was lucky enough to see both in their prime and while Cooper was good, Canavan is perhaps one of the greatest ever. Steve (Fermanagh) - Posts: 292 - 08/02/2020 12:52:58 2266091 Link 3 |
Sorry, as i have said to you in the past, your not someone i want to interact with, either in your main username or this one.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3671 - 08/02/2020 13:18:37 2266092 Link 6 |
Strange I thought you always said you never bothered reading my posts? How can you be so irked by them then???? To reiterate using your native parlance: scarlet for ya - never change lad :D TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 5828 - 08/02/2020 14:15:52 2266099 Link 2 |
But here you are. What exactly is it about the truth you don't like? Any one of your usernames can answer the question
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 402 - 08/02/2020 15:45:04 2266112 Link 0 |
To be fair he doesn't actually say what one of his usernames doesn't read them
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 402 - 08/02/2020 15:46:21 2266113 Link 0 |
Agree with this. Gooch's losses are more memorable because they were more high profile games. Tyrone crashed out early a number of times at Canavan's peak. I'm sure he has plenty of off days that weren't seen. Gooch for me but Canavan was incredible also. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 08/02/2020 16:19:36 2266116 Link 8 |