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Replying To Rolo2010: "Probably not. Most All-Stars are given out to players for teams who reach the latter knockout stages. Attacking people from the "elite" counties is not going to help your cause. Your own former manager highlighted the problems with Waterford football. The lure of hurling and a poor underage structure." I am not attacking people from the elite counties but suggesting there is an unbalance. In both codes I have no doubt if there was a more even t.v. coverage there would be players from all counties get exposer and a better chance of selection. Like an other poster said the All-Stars are picked now on the semi final and final of major competitions. To me an All-Star is the best player in the position he plays.That might be difficult now but at least look at how much they play there. Yes the level he plays at is a factor but that can be judged also on how good he was. After all the team is named on a positional format. This is the way it used to be.
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Replying To supersub15: "Should Kildare and Laois be playing out of div. 4" No. Stupid comments like this serve no purpose.
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Replying To Rolo2010: "No. Stupid comments like this serve no purpose." It's a fair question with respect, by the way did you see the games today
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I posted a comment earlier asking if Laois and Kildare being more suitable to playing in div.4, in hind sight I don't regret posting it, however if it was again I may have reworded it differently,
Today Kildare didn't have a good day by their standards, Meath agreed, Laois didn't have a good day against the Dub's , the Dub's said, yes you did. So that's where I'm coming from, I'm from a so called weaker county and I'm always for the underdog, always. I'm not saying Kildare were the under dogs going into the Meath game but they weren't compulsive favourites either shall we say. Kildare started the second half very much favourites and the rest is history.
Laois playing from div.2 were very lucky to get by Longford div.3 by 0-02 to set themselves up for their game with the Dub's, so with respect again is Laois and Kildare playing out of their debts or are the punching above their weights judging by todays results? The results of the Kildare / Meath and the Laois /Dublin games suggested to me that there is a serious imbalance in the Championship structure. The Meath dominance against Kildare was over 30 mins, playing against the Dubs that performance has to be over 70 mins plus, even at that it's questionable. It's heart breaking to watch ordinary everyday lads some with families, kids job's etc. lying on the ground breathless, after 70 mins plus and nothing to show for it literally, I kick every ball with them, trust me.
Where does Kildare and Laois go from here, that's up to them, I have enough on my plate to worry about as in getting out of div.4
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 15/11/2020 23:27:44
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Replying To supersub15: "It's a fair question with respect, by the way did you see the games today" No it wasn't.
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Replying To supersub15: "Should Kildare and Laois be playing out of div. 4" ridiculous question, kildare and laois would wipe the floor with any division 4 team, and anyone that thinks differently is a looney toon
And for you to judge a teams caliber against the might of the dubs is also ridiculous, no laois person/player/manager thought they could beat dublin today, there is only 3 teams that can put it up to the dubs currently, its for the rest of the country to catch up, which realistically isnt possible, when you look at it rationally. The leinster champ is a joke, its become meaningless
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Replying To Rolo2010: "No it wasn't." One at a time please, now can you tell me why it wasn't.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 17/11/2020 16:15:39
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Replying To Canuck: "I am not attacking people from the elite counties but suggesting there is an unbalance. In both codes I have no doubt if there was a more even t.v. coverage there would be players from all counties get exposer and a better chance of selection. Like an other poster said the All-Stars are picked now on the semi final and final of major competitions. To me an All-Star is the best player in the position he plays.That might be difficult now but at least look at how much they play there. Yes the level he plays at is a factor but that can be judged also on how good he was. After all the team is named on a positional format. This is the way it used to be." Canuck, All Star awards are not awarded to the best player in a specific position which I believe is deeply unfair as the All Stars were devised to recognise the best individual footballer regardless of how your team performed but again like a lot of things in the GAA, it was turned into an award to be shared amongst the elite teams i.e. All Ireland semi final and finalists. With regard to Laois and Kildare being in Division 4, not I don't believe that Kildare are a Division 4 team. Laois, were in Division 4 quite recently but again, they are in Division 2 on merit. What the two Leinster semi-finals proved on Sunday is this - there is a significant gap between teams at the top of Division 1 (Dublin and Donegal) and teams in Division 2 (Armagh and Laois). Meath versus Kildare should have been a close contest but not for the first time, Kildare failed to produce the goods when it was expected of them i.e. in the second half which will disappointed them. I think Dublin will account for Meath relatively comfortable at the weekend in the Leinster finals. Equally, I would be concerned about the standard of teams in the province of Leinster.
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1179 - 17/11/2020 17:20:16
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Replying To sligopublican: "ridiculous question, kildare and laois would wipe the floor with any division 4 team, and anyone that thinks differently is a looney toon
And for you to judge a teams caliber against the might of the dubs is also ridiculous, no laois person/player/manager thought they could beat dublin today, there is only 3 teams that can put it up to the dubs currently, its for the rest of the country to catch up, which realistically isnt possible, when you look at it rationally. The leinster champ is a joke, its become meaningless" I posted a comment earlier asking if Laois and Kildare being more suitable to playing in div.4, in hind sight I don't regret posting it, however if it was again "I may have reworded it differently",
Today Kildare didn't have a good day by their standards, Meath agreed, Laois didn't have a good day against the Dub's , the Dub's said, yes you did. So that's where I'm coming from, I'm from a so called weaker county and I'm always for the underdog, always. I'm not saying Kildare were the under dogs going into the Meath game but they weren't compulsive favourites either shall we say. Kildare started the second half very much favourites and the rest is history.
Laois playing from div.2 were very lucky to get by Longford div.3 by 0-02 to set themselves up for their game with the Dub's, so with respect again is Laois and Kildare playing out of their debts or are the punching above their weights judging by todays results? The results of the Kildare / Meath and the Laois /Dublin games suggested to me that there is a serious imbalance in the Championship structure. The Meath dominance against Kildare was over 30 mins, playing against the Dubs that performance has to be over 70 mins plus, even at that it's questionable. It's heart breaking to watch ordinary everyday lads some with families, kids job's etc. lying on the ground breathless, after 70 mins plus and nothing to show for it literally, I kick every ball with them, trust me.
Where does Kildare and Laois go from here, that's up to them, I have enough on my plate to worry about as in getting out of div.4
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2151 - 15/11/2020 23:27:44 2309731
ridiculous question, kildare and laois would wipe the floor with any division 4 team, and anyone that thinks differently is a looney toon
And for you to judge a teams caliber against the might of the dubs is also ridiculous, no laois person/player/manager thought they could beat dublin today, there is only 3 teams that can put it up to the dubs currently, its for the rest of the country to catch up, which realistically isnt possible, when you look at it rationally. The leinster champ is a joke, its become meaningless
sligopublican (Sligo) - Posts: 42 - 17/11/2020 15:57:47
If you read my post again you will see I addressed that question and reworded it. I wasn't judging Laois's calibre against the might of the Dub's far from it, I was judging their calibre against a Longford side that's playing in div 3, on Sundays performance any div.3 side would have put it up to Laois if not beat them, nothing wrong with that, just a bit of honest respectful criticism.
Kildare and Meath, - well Meath dropped out of div.1 with a single point to their credit to play in div.2 with Kildare, now Kildare went in at half time leading 0-10 to 0-04 they conceded 5-05 in the next 35mins against a team that got relegated to Kildares own division, if that happened to a div. 4 side it might be more understandable.
You say, there is only 3 teams that can put it up to the dubs currently, well again in my own opinion, there's 3 out of a possible 5 counties left that can challenge the Dubs, but there's only one that has a realistic small chance.
I'm not one for back tracking but you give me no option, you say, , "kildare and laois would wipe the floor with any division 4 team, and anyone that thinks differently is a looney toon"
Cast your mind back to the LSF championship 2018, didn't Carlow stop Kildare 2-12 to 2-08 and didn't Carlow take the points from your beloved Sligo a couple of weeks ago in the NFL 2-17 to 2-15. We'll leave Laois till next year. Anyway no harm meant, best wishes and major success to all.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 17/11/2020 20:42:44
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Replying To supersub15: "I posted a comment earlier asking if Laois and Kildare being more suitable to playing in div.4, in hind sight I don't regret posting it, however if it was again "I may have reworded it differently",
Today Kildare didn't have a good day by their standards, Meath agreed, Laois didn't have a good day against the Dub's , the Dub's said, yes you did. So that's where I'm coming from, I'm from a so called weaker county and I'm always for the underdog, always. I'm not saying Kildare were the under dogs going into the Meath game but they weren't compulsive favourites either shall we say. Kildare started the second half very much favourites and the rest is history.
Laois playing from div.2 were very lucky to get by Longford div.3 by 0-02 to set themselves up for their game with the Dub's, so with respect again is Laois and Kildare playing out of their debts or are the punching above their weights judging by todays results? The results of the Kildare / Meath and the Laois /Dublin games suggested to me that there is a serious imbalance in the Championship structure. The Meath dominance against Kildare was over 30 mins, playing against the Dubs that performance has to be over 70 mins plus, even at that it's questionable. It's heart breaking to watch ordinary everyday lads some with families, kids job's etc. lying on the ground breathless, after 70 mins plus and nothing to show for it literally, I kick every ball with them, trust me.
Where does Kildare and Laois go from here, that's up to them, I have enough on my plate to worry about as in getting out of div.4
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2151 - 15/11/2020 23:27:44 2309731
ridiculous question, kildare and laois would wipe the floor with any division 4 team, and anyone that thinks differently is a looney toon
And for you to judge a teams caliber against the might of the dubs is also ridiculous, no laois person/player/manager thought they could beat dublin today, there is only 3 teams that can put it up to the dubs currently, its for the rest of the country to catch up, which realistically isnt possible, when you look at it rationally. The leinster champ is a joke, its become meaningless
sligopublican (Sligo) - Posts: 42 - 17/11/2020 15:57:47
If you read my post again you will see I addressed that question and reworded it. I wasn't judging Laois's calibre against the might of the Dub's far from it, I was judging their calibre against a Longford side that's playing in div 3, on Sundays performance any div.3 side would have put it up to Laois if not beat them, nothing wrong with that, just a bit of honest respectful criticism.
Kildare and Meath, - well Meath dropped out of div.1 with a single point to their credit to play in div.2 with Kildare, now Kildare went in at half time leading 0-10 to 0-04 they conceded 5-05 in the next 35mins against a team that got relegated to Kildares own division, if that happened to a div. 4 side it might be more understandable.
You say, there is only 3 teams that can put it up to the dubs currently, well again in my own opinion, there's 3 out of a possible 5 counties left that can challenge the Dubs, but there's only one that has a realistic small chance.
I'm not one for back tracking but you give me no option, you say, , "kildare and laois would wipe the floor with any division 4 team, and anyone that thinks differently is a looney toon"
Cast your mind back to the LSF championship 2018, didn't Carlow stop Kildare 2-12 to 2-08 and didn't Carlow take the points from your beloved Sligo a couple of weeks ago in the NFL 2-17 to 2-15. We'll leave Laois till next year. Anyway no harm meant, best wishes and major success to all." relax lad, nobody cares
howmanysteps? (Sligo) - Posts: 3 - 18/11/2020 09:42:07
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Replying To howmanysteps?: " Replying To supersub15: "I posted a comment earlier asking if Laois and Kildare being more suitable to playing in div.4, in hind sight I don't regret posting it, however if it was again "I may have reworded it differently",
Today Kildare didn't have a good day by their standards, Meath agreed, Laois didn't have a good day against the Dub's , the Dub's said, yes you did. So that's where I'm coming from, I'm from a so called weaker county and I'm always for the underdog, always. I'm not saying Kildare were the under dogs going into the Meath game but they weren't compulsive favourites either shall we say. Kildare started the second half very much favourites and the rest is history.
Laois playing from div.2 were very lucky to get by Longford div.3 by 0-02 to set themselves up for their game with the Dub's, so with respect again is Laois and Kildare playing out of their debts or are the punching above their weights judging by todays results? The results of the Kildare / Meath and the Laois /Dublin games suggested to me that there is a serious imbalance in the Championship structure. The Meath dominance against Kildare was over 30 mins, playing against the Dubs that performance has to be over 70 mins plus, even at that it's questionable. It's heart breaking to watch ordinary everyday lads some with families, kids job's etc. lying on the ground breathless, after 70 mins plus and nothing to show for it literally, I kick every ball with them, trust me.
Where does Kildare and Laois go from here, that's up to them, I have enough on my plate to worry about as in getting out of div.4
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2151 - 15/11/2020 23:27:44 2309731
ridiculous question, kildare and laois would wipe the floor with any division 4 team, and anyone that thinks differently is a looney toon
And for you to judge a teams caliber against the might of the dubs is also ridiculous, no laois person/player/manager thought they could beat dublin today, there is only 3 teams that can put it up to the dubs currently, its for the rest of the country to catch up, which realistically isnt possible, when you look at it rationally. The leinster champ is a joke, its become meaningless
sligopublican (Sligo) - Posts: 42 - 17/11/2020 15:57:47
If you read my post again you will see I addressed that question and reworded it. I wasn't judging Laois's calibre against the might of the Dub's far from it, I was judging their calibre against a Longford side that's playing in div 3, on Sundays performance any div.3 side would have put it up to Laois if not beat them, nothing wrong with that, just a bit of honest respectful criticism.
Kildare and Meath, - well Meath dropped out of div.1 with a single point to their credit to play in div.2 with Kildare, now Kildare went in at half time leading 0-10 to 0-04 they conceded 5-05 in the next 35mins against a team that got relegated to Kildares own division, if that happened to a div. 4 side it might be more understandable.
You say, there is only 3 teams that can put it up to the dubs currently, well again in my own opinion, there's 3 out of a possible 5 counties left that can challenge the Dubs, but there's only one that has a realistic small chance.
I'm not one for back tracking but you give me no option, you say, , "kildare and laois would wipe the floor with any division 4 team, and anyone that thinks differently is a looney toon"
Cast your mind back to the LSF championship 2018, didn't Carlow stop Kildare 2-12 to 2-08 and didn't Carlow take the points from your beloved Sligo a couple of weeks ago in the NFL 2-17 to 2-15. We'll leave Laois till next year. Anyway no harm meant, best wishes and major success to all." relax lad, nobody cares"
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2161 - 18/11/2020 14:25:34
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