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In reality the all Ireland is Munster, Leinster and Galway. With all due respect to Antrim, that has always been the case. The imbalance in favour of inter county over club in the calendar is already bad enough without extending it further. They need to co exist as neither can survive without the other. The inter county for revenue and promotion of the game to the widest possible audience. The club for it's community values and as the sole source of inter county players. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 04/02/2020 11:34:02 2265049 Link 1 |
Yes, one combined 12-team tourney would be great. Even with separate NHL, why not keep the Prov groups and play all the Inter-Prov matches (so the 11 opponents over both tourneys are played once) - although I prefer a merger. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 04/02/2020 12:04:57 2265059 Link 0 |
Carlow, Laois, and Westmeath don't have enough clubs to form a squad with enough depth to take on the likes of Kilkenny and Wexford. Kilkenny has 36 hurling clubs. One club per 2780 people. Carlow only has 10 clubs. One per 5600 people. Only 4 clubs compete in the senior championship compared to 12 in KK. They would need at least 18 - 20 clubs to be at a similar level. Intercounty draws its success from the clubs. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 04/02/2020 12:28:21 2265061 Link 0 |
What's that got to do with the price of eggs?
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 04/02/2020 12:37:16 2265063 Link 0 |
I agree with that, I think both are improved by having 1 larger All Ireland competition. Played from March to August with club breaks scheduled at regular intervals in between just seems like a healthier balance to me for both levels of the game. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 04/02/2020 12:53:24 2265073 Link 7 |
Why is Galway being in the Leinster championship such a big problem ? Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 04/02/2020 13:08:33 2265083 Link 0 |
It's not. Where else can they go? Maybe Munster if the other Leinster teams become competitive.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 04/02/2020 13:37:22 2265094 Link 0 |
Inter county is already being played from January to August and they can't get meaningful club breaks in. So how would they from March to August
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 04/02/2020 13:41:29 2265097 Link 0 |
Not often I would be in total agreement with a Limerick man but just for today I will make an exception. Not just good for Galway, it has been good for Leinster hurling. Wexford and Dublin have had to raise their game just to have a competitive chance of making a provincial final. Can any neutral observer remember a better Leinster provincial championship than last year? Hopefully with Waterford not being cursed with injuries this year, Munster should be a humdinger too Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 04/02/2020 13:53:08 2265103 Link 0 |
Seems some can't get used to it because it's not geographically correct but I agree it has raised the game across the Provence
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 04/02/2020 16:41:46 2265141 Link 0 |
It has raised the game. I just think the game would be raised further by every team having 11 championship games.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 04/02/2020 21:31:31 2265226 Link 7 |
So who would the 12 counties be?
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 04/02/2020 22:29:27 2265241 Link 0 |
So who would the 12 counties be?
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 04/02/2020 22:29:38 2265242 Link 0 |
American style conferences with cross over games are pointless nonsense I mean why have a group stage if everyone plays each other anyway better to just have a league and hurling wont get rid of the prov championship because the vast majority of fans love them
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 04/02/2020 22:48:30 2265248 Link 0 |
The top 12 teams on merit. There'd be promotion and relegation between tiers. Right now it'd be the top 5 Munster teams, Kilkenny, Galway, Dublin, Wexford, Carlow, Laois and Westmeath. 12th team down, with maybe the 11th placed team playing off against the beaten tier 2 finalists. Top 6 to All Ireland playoffs. A total of 14 potential game weeks. The current system has 7 for the league, 4 for championship group stages and 4 playoff rounds. You'd have 1 fewer round to schedule and every team is guaranteed 11 fixtures rather than 9. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 05/02/2020 06:00:12 2265261 Link 3 |
Carlow, Laois, and Westmeath have all been hammered in the League. They simply don't have the resources to be competitive at the top level.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 05/02/2020 09:03:45 2265269 Link 0 |
Pushing their head back down won't help them. My earliest memories of Wexford were 10-12 years ago, a very low ebb which involved many bad beatings. Counties will never progress unless they are playing the top teams, eventually they will get up to that level. Not helping them up, by playing these teams, will never help hurling flourish outside the traditional strongholds. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 05/02/2020 10:40:30 2265298 Link 0 |
Wexford's resurrection was down to a lot more than playing against the big boys. There has been huge investment in time and resources by individuals and clubs and the county board. As someone who has stated that they played senior hurling for the last 3 years you would be aware of that. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 05/02/2020 11:02:15 2265304 Link 0 |
Wham's including 3 minnows to allow more teams to develop and avoid the '1 minnow yoyo'.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 05/02/2020 13:48:54 2265359 Link 0 |
It hasn't happened in over 100 years.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 05/02/2020 13:49:53 2265360 Link 0 |