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Yeah good point
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 23/01/2020 17:57:35 2261822 Link 6 |
This is absolutely true
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1042 - 23/01/2020 20:41:51 2261844 Link 1 |
For me I think the senior inter county goes on for far too long. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 24/01/2020 00:23:54 2261864 Link 0 |
The amont of knockout rounds in the league is a joke. At this point theres almost no difference between league and AI structures
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 24/01/2020 12:42:21 2261918 Link 0 |
I had an idea like this - EXCEPT - to keep game count down, I allowed the 8 KO games across both Provs to 'form' two 5-team mixed-Prov groups (no draw) with KO results counting in the groups. How ? - - Put Muns QF loser in Group A, its QF opponent in Group B. - Put that Muns QF winner's SF opponent in Group A. - Other SF is played - teams split 1 to each group- so Muns Finalists are placed in opposite groups. - Do similar with Lein - EXCEPT - Lein QF loser is placed in Group B before the other 4 are placed. - Complete '5 in A v 5 in B'. - AI KO - each 'draw half' consists of intra-group pairings - EITHER, QFs 2nd v 3rd in 'same group' with winner playing 'same group' wnner in AI SF - OR more simply, the top 2 in each group go 'head-to-head' in respective AI SFs. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 28/01/2020 00:12:33 2263094 Link 0 |
It should just be open draw. Top 2 into the semi-finals. 5th placed teams go into a relegation final. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 28/01/2020 11:34:34 2263156 Link 0 |
We have to be realistic. Removing the provincial championship is a non runner, and rightly so in my opinion. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 28/01/2020 14:22:29 2263208 Link 0 |
Yes, OK - but what's wrong with keeping Prov KO link - games would be doubly valuable, counting toward group record as well.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 28/01/2020 22:24:38 2263352 Link 0 |
My Prov link will always allocate three teams from one Prov and two from the other in each group, just like you have it. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 29/01/2020 13:35:21 2263497 Link 0 |
I think that'd be a very good system. I believe it could also allow the competition to be expanded to 12 teams which is for me the ideal number. 3 developing teams alongside the 9 more established counties. This is when your systems are at their best. A small trick to improve things without getting unnecessarily complex. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 29/01/2020 15:56:56 2263539 Link 7 |
What's wrong with the current format?
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 29/01/2020 18:42:48 2263583 Link 0 |
The gammy promotion structure where Kerry are disadvantaged. The odd number in each group that means not every team plays their final round of matches in the same week l. The Munster group is probably stronger than the Leinster group. There's only 1 place for a developing team. I personally dislike the GAA's solution of allowing lower level teams into the knockout rounds at the expense of those that have had much harder schedules. I think there's room for more games if the NHL and Championship were merged. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 29/01/2020 20:17:54 2263610 Link 7 |
I posted on here before that the NHL is only a development competition. Have the 2 group winners play off in the final and be done with it. This frees up 4 weeks. The provincial competition if needed can be 6 teams (but that's down to Kerry wanting it). The reality is the provincial championships generate enormous revenue and as the games are all within close geographical proximity it reduces the cost for those that go to the games. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 29/01/2020 21:39:11 2263635 Link 0 |
I posted on here before that the NHL is only a development competition. Have the 2 group winners play off in the final and be done with it. This frees up 4 weeks. The provincial competition if needed can be 6 teams (but that's down to Kerry wanting it). The reality is the provincial championships generate enormous revenue and as the games are all within close geographical proximity it reduces the cost for those that go to the games. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 29/01/2020 21:39:21 2263636 Link 1 |
Well that's not really true because Galway play in Leinster. The games draw big revenue because they are between well matched teams. I don't think that'd change if games like Kilkenny v Tipp and Galway v Cork were added to the mix. If you'd a 12 team single round robin with top 6 going to the knockout rounds I think you'd have a super championship. March to August for the league phase with club games being able to be scheduled around the fixtures. No need for the league. This whole development competition guff is rubbish in my book. Yes you blood new players but do you actually learn if they'll be able to cope with championship from games in Jan to mid March. I don't see how you can. Just make a better main competition. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 30/01/2020 10:27:03 2263701 Link 7 |
To your earlier point - as I have inter group here, best to have KO of top 4 or 6 overall in lieu of 2 or 3 from each group- and former lessens dead rubbers too. Would GAA or fans go for exclusive cross over inter group - that's unheard of too ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 30/01/2020 13:24:30 2263755 Link 0 |
Who wants to see the end of their provincial championship? The supporters of Limerick? Tipp? Clare? Cork? Waterford? Kilkenny? Dublin? Wexford? Galway don't have a provincial championship of their own. They are the only realistic contender for an all Ireland outside of Munster and Leinster. The league is and always has been a valuable testing ground for teams to experiment and blood new players and systems. My own county is a good example: we tried Kevin Foley as 'sweeper' and moved Shaun Murphy into the half backs. The league gave us the opportunity to see if it could work and to bed it in. My issue with it is that it drags on for too long. After 5 games county panels and their team set up have been determined and by then everything is gearing towards the championship. The provincial championship in my opinion works just fine. If last year is anything to go by, the best 2 teams in both provinces in 2019 got to their respective finals. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 30/01/2020 13:35:47 2263759 Link 1 |
Also, for a combined AI SFC / NFL (repeating some prior themes) - Start season with 4 Provs of 8 (3 Lein and 1 Uls reallocated based on prior low NFL finish). Play the Prov KO QFs & SFs as normal. After Prov SFs, form 2 separate '8v8' (similar to SHC 5v5 or 6v6). Provs paired based on current 3-yr rotation (2020 has UvL and CvM). Group UL and Group LU each has 1 U & 1 L Finalist along with a beaten SF2 & QF4 (teams allocated to the group opposite their KO opponents). Do same for Groups MC and CM. Top 6 of 16 in each '8v8' to AI KO 12 (4 best records get byes to QFs). In 2021, groups will be UM, MU, CL, LC. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 30/01/2020 14:06:38 2263768 Link 1 |
How many game weeks will this take to complete?
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 30/01/2020 15:19:02 2263800 Link 0 |
How many game weeks will this take to complete?
Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 352 - 30/01/2020 15:19:13 2263801 Link 0 |