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Wexford was a big county that had some bad years not a weak county that got better by playing established teams
Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 05/02/2020 14:24:41 2265374 Link 0 |
This argument comes up on a regular basis. I wonder the value in Westmeath playing with the top teams and entering the championship without a win behind them. Tiger Woods Dad was his coach/mentor during his younger years and wouldn't allow him to play in a competition he didn't believe he could win. He reckoned it would help him build the confidence required to be the best! Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1073 - 05/02/2020 15:15:59 2265394 Link 0 |
100% there was way more potential in Wexford 10 years ago than there is in Laois or Carlow right now. They don't have large resources. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 05/02/2020 15:29:31 2265398 Link 7 |
Always hard to know where the periphery is (whether a team could take a scalp, a boundary that also changes over time). Example - should 6 Nations Italy still be - ahumm - 'competing' ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 05/02/2020 15:56:05 2265408 Link 0 |
Well I didn't think it was the place to get down to the exact details of what happened in Wexford as it is not important. My point was, and remains, if you are not playing the top teams week in week out, you will not progress. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 05/02/2020 16:06:17 2265412 Link 0 |
Probably not but the other teams won't give up a trip to Rome. No other team can replace them. Italy are still better than the next best team in Europe which is Georgia.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 05/02/2020 16:12:04 2265414 Link 0 |
What value is gained from these teams being hammered every year? They might get the odd scalp but that is meaningless in the long run. Laois beat Dublin but the latter proved last weekend that they are still a step above the former.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 05/02/2020 16:13:38 2265417 Link 0 |
Not every team can be a contender and nor do they need to be. Supporting a team that never wins can still be fun and most fans are more than happy to see a team achieve within that teams own expectations. I support many teams that will never win a top trophy like Irish soccer or Limerick footballs elusive quest for a 3rd AI victory. I wonder are soccer fans from teams that blow everything for a few years chasing the top really happy with the exchange or would they have preferred to keep plugging away at their own level and have a financially secure club? Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 05/02/2020 16:35:30 2265423 Link 0 |
Yeah man, everything is meaningless if you want it to be. I can remember Laois last year trudging off the pitch after beating Dublin, the realisation dawning on them that really they'd achieved nothing. I'm shocked they even turned up for the Tipp game. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 05/02/2020 18:41:44 2265471 Link 7 |
One big scalp is meaningless if it doesn't lead to long term development.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 05/02/2020 19:11:27 2265477 Link 0 |
Going back to 5 may be preferable than continuing with 6.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 05/02/2020 22:31:48 2265543 Link 0 |
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1061695/ If the managers of the teams you are talking about didn't want to play at the higher level I'd appreciate your argument more. What would constitute long term improvement anyway. I don't think the gap between the 8th and 9th best teams are as wide as you guys think. Teams will never improve if not given the chance to improve. All of the current top 9 teams won't continue to be competitive for the next 30 years. Look at Offaly. What's the plan then decrease things to 7 or 8 teams. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 06/02/2020 07:03:32 2265575 Link 6 |
Good for them. Doesn't seem to be working out for these managers. The current teams don't want an increase in the number of teams or to abolish the provincials. What they say goes.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 06/02/2020 09:36:18 2265591 Link 0 |
Increasing Leinster is being actively discussed. The Provincials would stay in the systems being proposed here. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 06/02/2020 15:13:01 2265704 Link 5 |
So Leinster teams will be playing 5 games whereas Munster teams will only be playing 4. The Munster counties will be happy with that.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 06/02/2020 17:25:07 2265730 Link 0 |
The Leinster championship is still easier.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3111 - 06/02/2020 22:54:38 2265820 Link 2 |
It never effected Kilkenny. And before you say they were exceptional, even in 2014 and 2015 when other teams had caught up they were never flat in their semis after winning Leinster. clooney (Clare) - Posts: 568 - 13/02/2020 16:56:01 2267548 Link 0 |
Switch Clare for Galway in the 2020 NHL groups and you have two 6-team Prov Championships. omahant (USA) - Posts: 1824 - 17/02/2020 03:29:27 2268063 Link 0 |
westmeath gave cork a good game of it yesterday,but for 14 men they might have won it. perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3841 - 17/02/2020 10:38:02 2268097 Link 0 |