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With it now being quite obvious that Cork, Tipp and Limerick are not going to be interested in winning the above any time soon, is now to time to bury them off in a kind of a 'house private, no flowers' fashion? Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2427 - 29/07/2019 10:59:35 2218039 Link 0 |
There is simply no advantage to winning the provincial championships anymore. Wexford and Limerick both gone when really the All Ireland final should be between them. M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 421 - 29/07/2019 12:36:12 2218135 Link 1 |
well you know why it is being retained dont you..... perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3841 - 29/07/2019 15:10:36 2218253 Link 1 |
Why? This year it is because Wexford and Limerick were rusty from a lay off. Last year Galway were fatigued from playing a couple of replays. Wexford and Limerick were beaten in close games. Limerick didn't start well. Wexford didn't finish well. Neither narrative match each other so I don't think you can use the same excuse. Best teams on the day won. I would think that is a better narrative than looking for an excuse. And not a particularly good one.
SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 512 - 29/07/2019 15:38:19 2218265 Link 3 |
cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1589 - 29/07/2019 15:42:05 2218267 Link 0 |
yes they are dead and buried....look at the Leinster and Munster minor champs......to keep it going the GAA discriminate against the Galway Minors who had to beat the losers of both provinces to get into a semi....now KK are still alive after losing to Wexford and Galway and the law of averages is on their side for the final...complete joke. Galway should pull out of that competition until its fair. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1377 - 29/07/2019 15:59:05 2218276 Link 2 |
Not just at senior, at every level. It benefits every county to be playing teams from other provinces. I would argue the best thing that happened Galway at minor was the 3 game round robin against Kilkenny and Clare. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 864 - 29/07/2019 16:08:27 2218289 Link 0 |
I for one still love it. Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1106 - 29/07/2019 16:26:02 2218308 Link 0 |
While it is a bit unfair that we are out after only losing once and Kilkenny are in the final after us beating them and Galway too that is the system that everyone was facing into at the start of the season. So no complaints. I love the provincial championships and if you asked any of the Wexford or Limerick panels did they want to give up their provincial titles for a possible (although not certain) advantage coming into the All Ireland series the answer would be no. Maybe the answer would be for the provincial winners to play the Joe Mcdonagh finalists and the runners up in each province play the 3rd place team from the other province. That way the provincial winners would have the same number of games played as whoever they play in the semis..... Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1024 - 29/07/2019 16:40:06 2218323 Link 1 |
There should be a 3 week gap from provincial finals to the semi-finals. The quarter-finals should be played on the week before the semi-finals allowing the provincial runners-up two weeks to recover after the provincial final but only a week then for the semi-final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 29/07/2019 17:39:43 2218361 Link 0 |
No, it is not an excuse. The 2019 competition is over for everybody except KK and Tipp. The system was brought in 2007 because Waterford got beaten by Limerick when the Munster final participants were paired very unfairly in the All Ireland Semi Final, after The Decies had played two Quarter Final games against Cork. It seemed like a good idea at the time but in practice it has worked poorly, at least for most Munster teams and I would say the same might be said of Dublin (13) or Wexford. I feel all we will have will be just phony Munster Finals from here on in. I certainly rightly or wrongly feel that Tipp made no serious attempt to win the Munster Final this year, going on yesterdays display, and their performances in earlier championship games and if that carry on is in vogue sure a Munster medal is valueless anyway. and as I said Cork, Tipp and Limerick, will probably all attempt to avoid Munster glory in which case the competition will gradually go the way of the Railway Cups and the old Oireacthas competitions. There has already been appallingly small attendances at some some Southern Provincial Finals in the past decade, so maybe the rot is slowly setting in anyway. Viking, a fellow subscriber has made a very good suggestion above in saying the winners of provincial finals would also play a quarter final, as they did up to 2007. The idea has considerable merit. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2427 - 29/07/2019 19:13:51 2218394 Link 0 |
Yes also a very good point although why Galway ever agreed to go into Leinster at senior level only initially has always baffled me. After all when they went into Munster long ago, in 59, they went in at all levels, but of course Munster hurling men were not so narrow minded as to stop the Galwegians coming in at the lower levels.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2427 - 29/07/2019 19:18:54 2218399 Link 1 |
i dunno where you think the issue is with it in leinster though. the system now without a doubt favours the 3 teams in the round robin perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3841 - 29/07/2019 19:41:32 2218408 Link 0 |
Shame to say our county board were against Galway coming in at any level. Certainly I think their presence at Senior has brought our senior team on leaps and bounds and if our minors got to play them more often it would probably have meant theydve performed better than they did last weekend. Galway were battlehardened and our lads looked rusty for want of a better word. The break didnt do our lads any good when you compare it to the performance against Kilkenny in the Leinster final.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 1024 - 29/07/2019 19:52:01 2218419 Link 0 |
It never effected Kilkenny. And before you say they were exceptional, even in 2014 and 2015 when other teams had caught up they were never flat in their semis after winning Leinster. Maybe it's more to do with the training regieme and also not as used to Croke Park. Up to the Munster Champs to sort themselves out. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 29/07/2019 20:18:39 2218441 Link 0 |
If Galway didn't get those two games against the other provincial losers wouldn't they really be cold heading into an All Ireland semi or final. Bit like the Galway seniors. Not happy with the straight semi, playing in Leinster, playing in Munster. Do ye want to go back to playing the Connacht final v Roscommon in hurling again? BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 29/07/2019 20:21:32 2218444 Link 0 |
The provincial championship's should have been consigned to history long ago. It's not going to happen any time soon though, too much money, prestige and more tellingly power involved. No way would the provincial council's relinquish their grip Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 947 - 29/07/2019 20:32:45 2218455 Link 0 |
Rubbish. Wexford beat Carlow in the round robin stage. Limerick lost twice. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 29/07/2019 20:48:48 2218467 Link 1 |
A 4 week gap is simply too much. There should be no more that a 3 week gap. Fixtures have to fit that very simple directive. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 29/07/2019 21:48:06 2218495 Link 0 |
If teams lose interest in winning the Munster Final it will eventually become irrelevant. Simple as
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2427 - 29/07/2019 22:33:40 2218517 Link 0 |