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Replying To Loyalroyal17: "Shocking disappointed with that game, imo its probably the worst 70 minutes we have played.
Team were back in one of the hotels we popped into after game for bit of grub and they looked very deflated to say the least. I actually felt sorry for the boys when i saw them getting off the bus with their heads down. But to be fair anyone who approached them was shaking hands offering condolences and i actually felt a sense of pride with them in how they handled both negative and positive comments from people both sides, Tipp included.
Promotion is gone but the fight is now on to stay in this Division. A win on home soil this weekend is a must. So lets brush ourselves down and get out there again the weekend and get the win.
Please anyone who can make it to Navan... go, we need everyone behind the lads. HON THE ROYALS." Good post and yes it's a huge game against Cork. Win that and it lifts us above Cork for a start. Two falling giants but a big big game.
Hopefully home advantage counts for something here and the players put in a performance.
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 26/02/2018 11:03:32
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I think most people are unlikely to question the commitment and hard work that the players and management are putting in. However, as supporters, we are entitled to question the overall strategy in terms of:
1. The players that are available right now; and
2. The game plan we are trying to adopt.
Most counties will have a number of guys that are unavailable due to injury or other priorities. I could be wrong but I think there are few counties with as many guys unavailable as we do. You could practically name a full 2nd team of players that are unavailable through injury, walking away or having been dropped. We do not produce enough quality footballers to allow this to happen so why it is happening? When Meath were successful, there was never more than a handful of the best talent not involved. People can make the SOR argument about lack of success etc. but that hasn't happened to the same degree in other counties. The county board have a duty to get to the bottom of it and try and rectify it. Bring in a behavioural scientist if needs be but please let's not revert to the pub talk cliches of players gone soft etc.
Similarly, on the game plan - it has been very obvious that Meath have either had no particular game plan or a very poor game plan. Any time we come up against a top 12 team, we inevitably lose. If the game plan was capable of succeeding, we would have won some of those matches. Again, the county board need to get to the bottom of it. Identify a good tactician, hire him and send him a DVD with 10 of our most recent performances. Ask him to identify and critique the game plan and come up with some proposals for change.
I would like to see a 3-5 year plan which involves enticing our best talent back and with a clearly identified game plan. It seems like more often than not the current management and players are left scratching their heads as to why things aren't working - the answers are out there but it seems we haven't got the courage or humility to go looking for them.
gwanyagudthing (Meath) - Posts: 88 - 26/02/2018 14:12:31
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Replying To gwanyagudthing: "I think most people are unlikely to question the commitment and hard work that the players and management are putting in. However, as supporters, we are entitled to question the overall strategy in terms of:
1. The players that are available right now; and
2. The game plan we are trying to adopt.
Most counties will have a number of guys that are unavailable due to injury or other priorities. I could be wrong but I think there are few counties with as many guys unavailable as we do. You could practically name a full 2nd team of players that are unavailable through injury, walking away or having been dropped. We do not produce enough quality footballers to allow this to happen so why it is happening? When Meath were successful, there was never more than a handful of the best talent not involved. People can make the SOR argument about lack of success etc. but that hasn't happened to the same degree in other counties. The county board have a duty to get to the bottom of it and try and rectify it. Bring in a behavioural scientist if needs be but please let's not revert to the pub talk cliches of players gone soft etc.
Similarly, on the game plan - it has been very obvious that Meath have either had no particular game plan or a very poor game plan. Any time we come up against a top 12 team, we inevitably lose. If the game plan was capable of succeeding, we would have won some of those matches. Again, the county board need to get to the bottom of it. Identify a good tactician, hire him and send him a DVD with 10 of our most recent performances. Ask him to identify and critique the game plan and come up with some proposals for change.
I would like to see a 3-5 year plan which involves enticing our best talent back and with a clearly identified game plan. It seems like more often than not the current management and players are left scratching their heads as to why things aren't working - the answers are out there but it seems we haven't got the courage or humility to go looking for them." Agree with this, is the talent there? we are reaping what we have sown, a lost decade in respect of developing at underage level, we are catching up in that regard but it takes years to show up at Senior Level. We have good club players that cannot seem to be able to translate that to intercounty level, is enough being done to scout the players from all sides of the county, I see a fella that played with the Brigids and I have never seen mentioned as an Meath player played against us for Cavan last week, how can that happen? we are not exactly in a position to be losing fellas?
longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 300 - 26/02/2018 16:42:28
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Replying To Crinigan: "Nonsense.
A few of our Comical Ali posters who know little or nothing about Meath club football but claim to be Meath's greatest fans because "by God" and "be Jaysus" and "passion this and "hit them hard that" thought that average and selfish club footballers from their own clubs were going to win all stars this year and that if you dared ask what exactly happened to our best players were not real fans.
Anyone with even a passing interest in meath football couldn't believe their eyes when the Meath squad was announced in the Chronicle before Christmas. It read like the Meath junior team announced on the eve of Leinster junior championship match, all the best players apart from Keoghan were gone. Divisive selfish figures Who one would have thought the McEntees would have no time for remained.
Presumably many of the county's best players won't play for this management team. That's why we have this poor squad. Nobody wants to be treated like children. I'm sure you can shortly add the pick of the bunch from the latest players to be messed around with last night. O Neil taken off in first half, Tobin taken off in first half - Boylan wouldn't do that, nor would Gavin or McGuinness to a team that is only developing . What was it in aid of ? To frighten them? Teach a lesson? Gain respect? Respect is earned, and management have to earn that respect the same as players do.You have to treat players with respect - this macho old fashioned bullshit ( there is a few managers in meath notorious for it, one who I think has managed every club at this stage and now none will touch him) doesn't work anymore.
The players rightfully will ask themselves who the fk are you and why am I taking this shit. There seems to be no culture or tactic to buy into. You'd think they'd at least ask themselves why all these players dropped off?
Maybe we'd be better off in Div 3 for a year or two at this point and rebuild from there." Name the best players who won't play for this management?? Name and shame.
Now baring in mind don't mention those who are gone for a year be it studies, or traveling, name this great 14 that would have us so much further on. NAME THEM.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 26/02/2018 18:34:33
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Sorry again for a long message. If you can post it that would be great. It will be my last one tonight. Thanks again. I appreciate." The only thing I'll pull ya up on is saying that paddy Orourkes comment were admirable......disgraceful more like. If they are your opinions then keep them to yourself and show some loyalty to your mates that you played with and your county that has given you a fair bit too. For example not in a million years would you see a Kerry player coming out and slating his own county like that
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 26/02/2018 23:20:11
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Replying To royaldunne: "Name the best players who won't play for this management?? Name and shame.
Now baring in mind don't mention those who are gone for a year be it studies, or traveling, name this great 14 that would have us so much further on. NAME THEM." Why would I name the players? Lots of people know who the players are who aren't interested in playing and that includes some who have travelled abroad. But obviously, I or anyone else are not going to name them on the hoganstand forum to be subject to the opinions of individuals like yourself who have no problem giving horrendous abuse to people who have given service to Meath like Mick O' Dowd and Paddy O' Rourke for example.
Your posts usually consist of generalisms about getting behind the team and by jaysus we are Meath so we will win be gorrah. Maybe that's why you get so many dislikes on your posts? You also clearly have personal vendetta's based on God knows what against certain people like MOD. Why so vicious and personal in your attacks on MOD when Meath are performing no better under the current management. Is there really such a difference? MOD seemed to have the best players available playing for him (apart from 3 who he fell out with and who everyone knows). He didn't always pick Graham Reilly though, maybe that's it? I wouldn't pick him either as would many many others for reasons that have been mentioned ad nauseum on these pages.
Nobody has actually called for management to step down or resign and nobody has said such and such should be made Meath manager. In fact, most people, including myself are supportive of them continuing on and are hopeful they can sort things out. However, people, who are actually genuinely Meath fans and not barstoolers who shout the loudest, are wondering though why so many players have left the panel. Its incredible to have to say this, but that actually makes them real fans, they want Meath to win, they want the best players to play for Meath, they are actually involved in Meath football (imagine!), see these players playing club football (imagine!) and so they are putting the questions out there.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 27/02/2018 17:10:48
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Replying To Crinigan: "Why would I name the players? Lots of people know who the players are who aren't interested in playing and that includes some who have travelled abroad. But obviously, I or anyone else are not going to name them on the hoganstand forum to be subject to the opinions of individuals like yourself who have no problem giving horrendous abuse to people who have given service to Meath like Mick O' Dowd and Paddy O' Rourke for example.
Your posts usually consist of generalisms about getting behind the team and by jaysus we are Meath so we will win be gorrah. Maybe that's why you get so many dislikes on your posts? You also clearly have personal vendetta's based on God knows what against certain people like MOD. Why so vicious and personal in your attacks on MOD when Meath are performing no better under the current management. Is there really such a difference? MOD seemed to have the best players available playing for him (apart from 3 who he fell out with and who everyone knows). He didn't always pick Graham Reilly though, maybe that's it? I wouldn't pick him either as would many many others for reasons that have been mentioned ad nauseum on these pages.
Nobody has actually called for management to step down or resign and nobody has said such and such should be made Meath manager. In fact, most people, including myself are supportive of them continuing on and are hopeful they can sort things out. However, people, who are actually genuinely Meath fans and not barstoolers who shout the loudest, are wondering though why so many players have left the panel. Its incredible to have to say this, but that actually makes them real fans, they want Meath to win, they want the best players to play for Meath, they are actually involved in Meath football (imagine!), see these players playing club football (imagine!) and so they are putting the questions out there." Be careful he might think you are one of those lads he fell out on here from
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I hope excuses me of being from some were else also...i want to be a dodgy used car sales man from Aran islands...yes that be nice ! Think i will wear wig and have the persona of the fonz from happy days Ayyyyy!
Anybody want to buy a car ? All that was ever in that back seat was a priest hat ! Hope nobody from lobinstown on here reading that or they be asking how many times was it on roof :/
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 27/02/2018 17:51:14
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Replying To Crinigan: "Why would I name the players? Lots of people know who the players are who aren't interested in playing and that includes some who have travelled abroad. But obviously, I or anyone else are not going to name them on the hoganstand forum to be subject to the opinions of individuals like yourself who have no problem giving horrendous abuse to people who have given service to Meath like Mick O' Dowd and Paddy O' Rourke for example.
Your posts usually consist of generalisms about getting behind the team and by jaysus we are Meath so we will win be gorrah. Maybe that's why you get so many dislikes on your posts? You also clearly have personal vendetta's based on God knows what against certain people like MOD. Why so vicious and personal in your attacks on MOD when Meath are performing no better under the current management. Is there really such a difference? MOD seemed to have the best players available playing for him (apart from 3 who he fell out with and who everyone knows). He didn't always pick Graham Reilly though, maybe that's it? I wouldn't pick him either as would many many others for reasons that have been mentioned ad nauseum on these pages.
Nobody has actually called for management to step down or resign and nobody has said such and such should be made Meath manager. In fact, most people, including myself are supportive of them continuing on and are hopeful they can sort things out. However, people, who are actually genuinely Meath fans and not barstoolers who shout the loudest, are wondering though why so many players have left the panel. Its incredible to have to say this, but that actually makes them real fans, they want Meath to win, they want the best players to play for Meath, they are actually involved in Meath football (imagine!), see these players playing club football (imagine!) and so they are putting the questions out there." Mod had my full support until he proved he couldn't manage a pee up in a brewery.
He is largely to blame for where we are today. Never should have been appointed.
That wasn't his fault, it was those who appointed him. Often said I liked him personally, but football wise as a county manager with the constant lame excuses? Not for me. And you just proved that you don't know any players who are better. Actually you publicly stated that players were not turning up for training and we would find it hard to field a team, and that Donal keoghan had left panel cause of Andy. Will you please now admit that you made all this up, just like your assertion that there is better players apart from the aforementioned Donal who should be playing but not cause of Andy. Back it up or shut up
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 27/02/2018 21:40:21
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Replying To southmeathgael: "The only thing I'll pull ya up on is saying that paddy Orourkes comment were admirable......disgraceful more like. If they are your opinions then keep them to yourself and show some loyalty to your mates that you played with and your county that has given you a fair bit too. For example not in a million years would you see a Kerry player coming out and slating his own county like that" I really don't see Paddy's comments as a reflection on Meath at all to be honest. He said the commitment is placing too great a demand on him, so he stepped aside. He said when he joined the panel Meath were competing for honors now they are not. This is, unfortunately, a fact not an opinion.
He feels, for him, the joy is gone from the game and he'd rather get back to enjoying it with the lads he grew up with. I thought it was a very honest piece and the most interesting part was the isolation he felt being part of the county set up.
I fail to see what this has got to do with the Meath set-up or anything to do with Andy or the management team. It's just how things are at intercounty level at the moment Meath are not alone. In fact I would imagine every single county player (including the Dublin, Mayo & Kerry lads) would have identified with some/all of what he wrote.
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Is the talent really in Meath? I've seen manager after manager get plenty of stick the last ten years but looking at that Meath team the last few years I just don't see why Meath should be a Div 1 team based on the players.
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Replying To JDF: "Is the talent really in Meath? I've seen manager after manager get plenty of stick the last ten years but looking at that Meath team the last few years I just don't see why Meath should be a Div 1 team based on the players." Good question and yet everybody has a opinion on it that we don't and that we do have the footballers that can compete.
But look at it this way...the manager after manager you seen getting stick for the last 10 years must have definitely thought we have the footballers to compete at the highest level ! why would any manager take on the job with the mind set of we don't have the footballers ? because they like getting stick ?
Andy in my mind was the best candidate for the job to take over from Mod...but Andy might have seen a 4 year plan to get his players up to standard to compete at the highest level !
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 28/02/2018 17:00:37
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