Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 19 Like(s)
David Clifford is a teenager in Kerry. David gets up at 5:00 O clock every morning to walk the five miles every morning to get water, picking up fire wood along the way. David carefully balances the water on his head and fire wood on his knees to bring home so Mammy can have a nice cup of tea and a bit of toast (no avocado).
After Mammy has had her toast, )without avocado). David goes out to the fields, David runs for miles to catch mountain goats for milk for his whole family, David likes how they sometimes put the crown on the goat. Winters are harsh in Kerry, and David often has to have his hood up on on his holey jacket. While he is growing into Daddy's wellies nicely. David often wishes that Mammy liked cornflakes instead of tea and toast (without avocado ) for her breakfast.
David then goes to school, David is very tired by now, but the hole in the roof often keeps him awake and the rain helps him keep a perfect quiff, because the wet look is in around Killarney.
David walks the 20 miles home from school every day, often having to be careful of the Paddywhacker buses that pass him by. David is sometimes splashed by these buses as they drive by and looks up to see Dublin people drinking Champagne and designer coddle int their heated seats. David would like to taste coddle just once. David sometimes wishes he was from Dublin too.
David used to walk home from school with his favorite friends, Mark and Steffen, they arent there anymore and he sometimes sees them at the Christmas nativity play and Goat crown day in the summer, they have big red faces and look bigger and stronger, David thinks they may have moved from Toast (no avocado) to cornflakes for their breakfasts.
Davids favorite colors are green and yellow, he remembers seeing a big shining milking jug one time when he was very small. David though of how much milk he put into that if he could catch a goat. When David has his homework done, David climbs three mountains and 100 miles to play football with his friends. The manager told him if he plays very well he can get the big shiny goat milk jug. David likes this and will play very very hard. David is beginning to grow into Daddys boots. Davids favorite part of football is the oranges they get after training, it helps David on the return journey up and down mountains.
David curls up at night in a corner of the room, sometimes there is an ember from the coal in the fire, he can keep warm for a little bit. David will be up again in three hours, to get the water and firewood for Mammys team and toast again (no avocado). David often dreams of Bernard Brogan, David wishes he can play football like Bernard. David believes that Bernard does not have to play football with a beach ball and has boots that fit him.
If you would like to help to help David grow into his boots, please send a minimum of 1 mill euro to Kerry GAA, in donation, 7 mill if dealing in tax payers money. You can also but a chicken dinner from 2000 euro a plate. Please contact The Plaza New York for more details. Please help us provide cornflakes or avocado for David and his toast.
This has been an appeal from Kerry GAA.
* Played to Eva Cassidys fields of gold.
TheUsername (National) - 02/06/2019 14:19:18
Posters Crossing The Line - 13 Like(s)
Shocking to be fair, I hope the poster sees the error of their ways.
I'll say prayer for them then grab my pitch fork. :D
TheUsername (National) - 04/06/2019 22:54:50
Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 12 Like(s)
If you read back over all my posts a chara, you will see that 1) i mention more then once i was posting about GDF and 2) acknowledging that Dublin dwarf most counties on commercial and fundraising. You will actually find quite a detailed post about it and how it enables fundraising at club level.
I will pull you up on a few details though, while GDF does fluctuate it tends to marginally, Monaghan will always do well and will Leitrim to their scale because they are being supplemented for a handicap in a lack of population, for them to be competitive, i dont have problem with that investment. Its a very similar payment structure particularly for Monagahn and Leitrim year on year. In many ways they are like Dublin, exceptional cases when it comes to funding due to population, while our population is big and requires more funding, yours is small and requires more funding. Its economies of scale really. In actual fact this is the first year since 2012 Dublin GDF hasnt been cut.
The examples you pick arent particularly apt, Longford, Loais wont be generally comparative to Monaghan as im not sure you aware, these counties are given an extra 500k over the next few years on top of their annual GDF, in order for them to compete in Leinster with Dublin. In essence what the GAA are trying to do, is bring the counties up to a comparative level in relation to their context.
I agree with you wholly on commercial and fundraising revenue, Dublin are a beast and will only get bigger and better, no county will ever compete with it. In many ways the GDF is a straw horse as none of it goes toward the inter county set up, the inter county set up if funded by commercial and fundraising with change left over. I've no issue there really. In fact i think this could be improved and will be in the future. i was having a debate earlier on the the differences in equality and equity, its fascinating how it could apply to the GAA on a communal level.
I think you would be surprised just how well other counties do commercially/fundraising, you use an unfortunate example of Mayo, who are second to Dublin by 100k of Dublins 1.4 mill annually. mayo pull in 1.3 in commercial and fundraising, that is really good. As for attracting multinational companies, i dont think Dublin are alone, i think Kerry group are something like being in the top 10 biggest companies in the world and are certainly compatible to AIG. Sometimes being Irish, doesnt always necessarily mean we have to small and parochial, though seems esteemed somehow in traditional GAA. Arent Monaghan, sponsored by Investec, they are a South African company and provide banking, asset management and financial products in the Irish market. Sound like anyone elses sponsors?
I can sympathise with the sprit you are trying to post with, but you are posting in narrative all you are doing is throwing accusations around without producing and evidence or source, ultimately your just venting and why should we believe what you are saying when there is nothing to back it up, just because you are saying it? I've given, figures, ive given analysis, ive posted sources. All you are really saying is this cant be true. Why should i believe you?
I wholly acknowledge funding is both cumulative, capital, GDF and Commercial/fundraising. Ive said i dont know how many times we have the best enabling sponsorship. Ive given breakdown of figures from the GAA audited accounts.
Im not really sure what your saying, i just dont know there is very little to back it up, bar trust me this is my opinion.
TheUsername (National) - 29/05/2019 17:45:03
Dublin V Roscommon - 12 Like(s)
Well now an eventful day the far side of the Shannon all in.
Just in the door an absolute blizzard between Kinnegad and Maynooth and a good hours tail back through the toll and another hour the far side given the snowy condititions, a couple of tips I saw on the road hopefully everyone gets back safely. All grand considering the wash out we got before and during the game that had poler bears reaching for their under armor base layers.
As you can probably guess the game was played in very poor, wet conditions with a fair nip and sodden pitch. Hyde is looking well these days, it's one of my favourate county away grounds fair play to the Roscommon county board.
On to the game itself, Dublin made some late changes with young lads like, McGowen, O Connor, Basquel coming into replace the more established players. The master came in for young Comerford. Young Gavin continued in the middle. While we lost Jack early on so Robbie McDaid played the majority of the game. So a fair bit of youth and inexperience to complement some established lads.
Roscommon look a different animal this year, gone is the niceness and open expansive stuff. A team with real edge, fight and bite to match. The played a hybrid system overall at times the blanket and at times a pocession based game waiting for their opening and high pressing.
Dublin stormed out of the blocks early on taking over some straight forward points and shortly scored a goal that had an inevitable feel of a rout in the first 25 mins or so. The game got tough then and every ball was contested fiercely, there were tackles flying in that you would proud of playing Rugby and the ref let some mad stuff go in my opinion. In the last quarter Roscommon bullied Dublin in my opinion who had taken their eye of the ball, were rattled and Roscommon went on to get a goal and wipe away the point deficit to go in all square deservedly at half time. Deservedly so in my opinion, though the ref lost control of the game and anything was going, at that stage. But Roscommon used a brilliant tactic on the Dublin defense the flooded and had a decoy on Cian Sullivan that let them have a man over on Dublin's marking system, making total hay in the last quarter of the first half.
Roscommon had the better of the start of the second and went two up in third quarter with Dublin hitting bad wides. As we hit the 50 mun mark, something really unusual happened. Roscommon started to play keep ball and hold pocession, go down injured etc. It was weird because the momentum was with them and had the opposite effect of inviting Dublin on to them and handing the, the innitive. Dublin duly obliged and even with the most ridiculous wide count I have seen from Dublin in many a year, they got the couple of points to draw level, that brought back Dublin's composure, in the next phase we got what looked like a fortuitous goal and it was normal service resumed of just shooting out the lights. The game descended into a bit of farce then of lads just taking lumps. Overall glad to be leaving with two points, no suspensions and hopefully what looks like just a minor injury for Jack.
Was the worst referee performance I think I've seen in a long time, Dublin got mangled in the first half and couldn't buy a free, while every minor call went Roscommons way. That really effected the game as a footballing spectacle as it dawned on both sides that anything could go and was more like Rugby then football. Then the whole thing went full circle in the second half, I thought he clearly favored Dublin, the cynic in me wondered did he get tap on the shoulder about his performance at half time. Anyway he didn't help the game for ethier side.
Roscommon are a different outfit this year, tough as teak, with huge edge and massively physical and competitive. I suspect the days of give me quarter finals without lumps are a thing of the past and any team playing them should be prepared for rigour and lumps. They played some nice stuff as well as they always have. But this is a new Roscommon, with edge.
As for Dublin, wasn't vintage but hard fought. Some young lads playing and being blooded left us a bit soft. Positives for me were Davey Byrne again, proper defender. Daren Gavin had a shaky opening 15 mins, but was great in the other three quarters, could be a super midfielder, but a way to go yet, but getting better and better per week. Cian after the wobbles had a good game. Fenton was Fenton, class. But he must have hit at least 5 wides. Thought McDaid looked good in spells.
Thought Cooper had a tough day at the office, Paddy Andrews endevoured but left his shooting boots at home and was a bit indulgent at times. Costello had one of those anonymous games, as did the rest of the forwards first half, bar King Con.
All in all, delighted to get the far side of Leixlip with two points, no serious injuries and no suspensions via a tough day in the office, but a stretch in the legs and ongoing blooding so all good.
Hope everyone got home safely.
Next up Tyrone in Croker on Paddy's weekend, spectacle!
TheUsername (National) - 03/03/2019 20:31:40
Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 11 Like(s)
Actually if you had your Dublin hat on, we are often accused of two advantages of money and population. The funny thing with the registered player to finance argument, is one discounts the other. If you want to prove Dublin are over funded, you have to cut the population to 39k. If you want to prove population is advantage then, you have to use my analysis of population to per head of 1.345mill to GDF. One discounts the other really, its funny really.
TheUsername (National) - 29/05/2019 11:40:18
Gough Speaks Out Against Shamefull Slurs - 11 Like(s)
Objectively i think he had a poor game the first game and was spooked, also think the semi and abuse he got in 16 played on his mind to, was horrible to see. Thought Connor Lane in the second game was the worst ive seen in a long time, although Maurice Deegan put in a really awful performance for Tyrone in the semi as well this year.
Refs can be got at if that is your way, but you have the hope quality on the pitch will always tell and you dont have to rely on the off field dark arts. I think over all it lowers the esteem and dignity of a county.
TheUsername (National) - 01/12/2019 15:04:24
MONEY - 10 Like(s)
Ah now we are getting to the nub of it, youve gone full Ewan you should never go full full Ewan. The lad posts on here and on everywhere else and has lost an awful lot of credibility, without being able to back up his "facts" and his words about Jim Gavin.
I have already said its none of my business how Mayo want to conduct their funding, what i do think they face an active choice either to pick and facilitate players playing away, that up to Mayo and how they want to spend their budget. 500 k is a lot and i would be curious of the breakdown, is it Taxi's, is it Group Taransport, is it mileage? Is that a good use of funds, is it better to have a training camp in Dublin, is it better to rotate training camps, moving themanagement team as opposed to the players etc etc.
There are numerous options in terms of managing that fund and figure likely for the betterment of grassroots GAA in Mayo, i know clubs there pay a huge supplement to the county board. Its interesting that foreign wing of fundraising is withholding funds to the county based to the lack of corporate governance and accountability. With a figure like half a million being spent on transport its not good enough to say ah sure we live miles away from home and thats the way it is, so we need to spend half a million. Its a ridiculously stupidly high figure, that seems to lack corporate governance, accoutability or transparceny, you wourself cant tell me exactly what its used on.Still tyhere is an internal allegation in Mayo around corporate governance and transparency, there is obviously a problem in Mayo with that. But that internal business.
If you do you not see the problem with spending 1.1 mill, on transport and food and saying poor us, if you dont think that is a problem or the only solution is to pay it again because lads have to move out of Mayo, then you deserve to pay through the nose. massively poor corporate governance. That s before you even look at it as the best way to prepare a team.
Yes i still think Mayo are stupid for spending 1.1 million on food and transport.
You seem to be justifying it, but cant say what the situation is with taxis, group travel, mileage, training camps in Dublin etc,m how is that 1.1 mill broken down? If you dont know it about your own county why should anyone believe you when you paint allegation as "facts" about another county i.e. Dublin.
TheUsername (National) - 30/09/2019 18:02:20
Are Dubs Aware Of The Pressures On Rural Ireland GAA - 10 Like(s)
I think its a broadly unhelpful polarising premise.
There are many urban centers that attract migrants as well as Dublin, Belfast, Galway, Cork, Waterford etc etc.
Then rural Ireland is a bit of a catchall, as well. There are many rural parts of Dublin, Meath, Kildare, Loais Weastmeath and the other cities i mention above that cant really be compared to say North Leitrim, Mayo or Donegal.
Then there is intra county migration. I notice some rural areas of counties having to amalgamate teams, while big towns in their counties have three or four teams in the town alone, some rural parts of Kerry struggling for numbers and number of teams in around Kilarney would be an example.
In urban areas, there are issues to, i recently visited a junior club in North Mayo, the facilities were incredible and came at a huge cost largely funded by excellent volunteers and fundraising. I was out Cuala way who are Senior All Ireland hurling winners quite recently and Club footballers were in the B final this year and have stal warts on the Dublin 5 ina row team. they play on council pitches in the local park.
Rurally there is so much land for cheap cost in comparison to urban areas that its difficult for GAA especialy n Dublin to grow and thrive and provide facilities for the benifit of the game, they just arent making land in Dublin. Its a big issue as we need more clubs. migration seems all well and good in a very simplistic view, but where and how do you cater for greater numbers and if you do the GAA get a lashing for Dublin or big urban centers getting increased resources, relatively speaking.
Take something like a center of excellence the entire Kerry project i think was about 5 mill for currans, from land to opening. In Dublin we are trying to cultivate the Spawell site, its was 7-9 million to buy the site alone.
There are without doubt issues out side of Dublin, but there are also issues in urban centres to that dont cross the radars of those that live out side it.
Any way as i said the premise is a bit polarised, Dublin and the rest of the country is "rural", please, thats just silly and simplistic really.
TheUsername (National) - 24/01/2020 14:35:11
Dublin Vs Kerry Replay - 10 Like(s)
And five in a row,
And five in a row,
Crying cockles and mussels,
And five in a row.
TheUsername (National) - 14/09/2019 20:54:33
Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 10 Like(s)
Thanks for that post a chara, i was finding it a bit hard to find a salient peice of the points you are trying to make. So GDF can be acknowledged and put to bed.
I dont actually disagree with anything you posted and you will find i acknowledge the enabling factor of commercial revenue, Dublin are a behemoth commercially in the waters it swims in, historically we have been remedial in that regard given our massive potential and its only now we are beginning to realise it. I've said a few times on here i actually think we could do better but suspect we will grow into that. Commercial revenue runs the Dublin team, i would totally acknowledge that and i would also acknowledge we have more then anyone else and always will. I only see that gap getting bigger personally. My issue is the narrative, speaking about GDF and the grassroots and acerbating that influences the senior team.
I would also advise that what commercial revenue enables is the Dublin clubs the ability to fundraise without the county board interfering, its developed the game hugely in Dublin both North and South.
I can understand why other counties look on with envy and perhaps enmity. That said you have to consider the scale of Dublin and the logistics to make it happen? I wonder can the model be learned from and used elsewhere on a smaller scale?
Perhaps in time the GAA may need to look and the financial hybrid model is has, its communal funding and private funding, while we are seeing the advent of players trying to take money out of their profile of the game commercially, testimonials, punditry, books etc. Perhaps the GAA need to decide whether it want sto remain a communal organisation, a decentralized one were counties look after themselves privately and what to do about players cashing in on their profiles. They are all broad and soul searching questions in my opinion. It would be hard to shut the barn door for every county with money rolling in and contracts signed, the GAA themselves have their own core sponsors and commercial revenue.
Is it impossible for other counties to adapt, you mention Mayo again, they raise 500k odd through commercial sponsorship, the same again through caride maigh eo and the rest in fundraising - so its not impossible.
Again i think counties may be slowly trying to emulate Dublin, ive seen many counties put adverts out there for commercial mangers or fundraisers in the last 12 months in particular, its clearly an area counties are looking to cultivate.
To be fair i think you raise some very good points and as we have got to the bottom of it are opinion are more in congruence, ive said all along in this thread that our commercial revenue is a hige enabling factor for the work we do with our senior team.
Wouldn't be a huge fan of Clones of myself, no offense intended as i know many are, in my defense its usually the depths of winter when im there, i would much prefer Breffni if im being honest. I think its due a bit of remedial work to the tune of 400k odd in the coming time.
As you say, there is a huge expat population in Dublin, that generations of will probably benefit Dublin and with increased profile of Gaelic games, when this great team ends we will regress somewhat, but wont be away for long. Certainly for once in our history we are cultivating many of our natural advantages.
TheUsername (National) - 30/05/2019 15:34:51
Next Dublin Manager - 10 Like(s)
The flip side is of course. Say Dublin regress this year under new management, very possible and probably likely.
Say Galway, Donegal, Tyrone, Kerry or Mayo win next year are they only really winners because Dublin changed their management team?
Did they really win because they were the best team or did they win because Dublin abdicated and changed their set up and hit reboot.
That ? will always linger for the next winner, its a tough position to be in.
*Wouldnt say Mayo would give a flyer mind.
TheUsername (National) - 16/12/2019 15:01:42
Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 10 Like(s)
There's five minor wins, and there's no need to be afraid
Cluxton retires, we let in light and banish shade
And in our world of plenty of goosoons, we can spread a smile of joy
Throw your arms around the world
Its Kerry's time.........................
TheUsername (National) - 02/06/2019 16:57:05
Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 10 Like(s)
Its reported in many media media outlets that it act as a strategic part of Kerry center of excellence, are you telling us Kerry GAA dont use it all?
The campus at Curran recied numerous grants 1 mill from Central funds, 1 mill from the Munster Council and Kerry group gave 1 mill as well.
If we are going to have a debate anout the influence of ISC grants, Cumlitive funding and the impact of sponsorship, lets at least be genuine. The tidy sums above are equivalent of a decade of Dublins GDF. I think its a loose definition to call 2000 euro a plate dinners in the Plaza in New York as fundraising.
Haha i must of missed those debunking posts, im not great at responding to posters who generally right in crayon or who i consider trolls admittedly.
Im not trying to win hearts and minds, someone will stick to narrative, because it helps to mitigate the uncomfortable thought that they have fallen short of the mark really. I dont mind the allegations of money really, it helps the auro around Dublin. I just dont believe its factual and am giving the context as to why.
TheUsername (National) - 30/05/2019 11:23:07
Disingenuous, Disgusting, Odious, Nasty!! - 9 Like(s)
I thought liking a tweet slagging off Jonny Cooper getting stabbed was worse myself, thats what your dealing with here.
Hate can be a terrible thing, i kind of feel a bit sorry for him if that is how deep it goes for him.
TheUsername (National) - 22/07/2019 15:15:36
Kerry V Dublin - 9 Like(s)
That's genetics for you!
TheUsername (National) - 17/02/2019 16:44:09
Kerry 4 In A Row V Dublin 5 In A Row - 9 Like(s)
Wexford won more games then Kerry for either of their four in a rows.
Should be Dublin Vs Wexford.
Kerry bring up the rear.
TheUsername (National) - 18/09/2019 19:13:57
Conor Cox Kerry Mistake - 9 Like(s)
Yep, think Kerry dropped a clanger here, you can have your Clifford's and Geaney etc. But panel management is about competition internally to raise standards. Externally you need as strong a panel as you can muster and depth.
Dublin could afford, to give Dean Rock, the night off yesterday, Bernard Brogan too and with Paul Mannion sent off Dublin still racked up scores the far side of 30 points. With still lads looking in the managers face to come on.
Kerry aren't good enough, to be sending lads of the caliber of Cox out into the wilderness, they had really poor scoring stats from play during the league final, while the excellent O Shea and his free taking abilities have papered over the cracks at times in the forward line at times, his gifts can be a blessing and a curse. While outside of Munster that's been a regular feature in the championship for at least the last three years.
Think they will regret loosening Cox in all honesty, he'd be on the Dublin panel for sure.
TheUsername (National) - 26/05/2019 22:04:45
Kerry Black Card Appeal - 9 Like(s)
Has any rule been broken, no, Kerry just exercising their rights within the rule, dont see an issue really, would have zero problem with it myself.
TheUsername (National) - 16/08/2019 10:34:47
Gough Speaks Out Against Shamefull Slurs - 9 Like(s)
I think this is the thing that grates around the issue, Kerry present themselves as Guardians of fairness. They however have had a murky recent record:
- PS, staged witch hunt of DC, made the lads life unbearable and took years out of the game.
- The abuse and missiles thrown at Gough in the 16 semi.
- The BOS - Thorough internet search and "caffeine Supplement" ban.
- The square punch of AOS in the 17 Semi, followed by one of the players going ballistic at the linesman - no bans.
- Squirting water in play at an opposition player in play.
- Gough gate this year.
- The incidents on the hill after the loss this year.
The last county anyone needs to look to and listen to about fairness is Kerry. They really need to have a good look at themselves and their values in sporting integrity.
TheUsername (National) - 03/12/2019 10:21:26
Disingenuous, Disgusting, Odious, Nasty!! - 9 Like(s)
People forget that Gavin is an expert on hype, media influence and Dublin GAA, he was part of the team in the early to mid 90's that saw its impact in heightening expectations and lashing it gave its failures in three all Ireland defeats only to come home 95.
Media, hype and expectation as always been an undermining force for Dublin until now.
Id say an awful lot, the negative media stuff by Ewan and others - i remember Paul Kimmage also doing a hatchet job on Jim after the 2017 final on newstalk, is frustration in that hes given them nothing. looks at Diarmuid Connolly news last week, id say they are all furious with them - then we get comments like this, the veil slips and credibility (such as it was) is lost.
Good on Jim, the dog is wagging the tail and the tail doesnt like it. ;)
TheUsername (National) - 23/07/2019 14:13:01