What Makes A Great Footballer - 19 Like(s)
Honestly this is just such complete rubbish.
Did you see Jack McCaffrey, Sean O'Shea, David Moran or Brian Howard in the first game?
Then there was Murchan, Fenton and Mannion in the replay.
Players take on their man all the time.
These players are pure class.
Murchan is a corner back who roasted a midfielder and slotted the ball into bottom corner with the outside of his foot after a 50 yard run.
Paddy Durcan, Con O'Callaghan, Peter Harte, Cathal McShane, Michael Murphy, Paddy McBrearty, Conor McManus, Eoin McHugh.
I actually pity people who can't appreciate these guys. I don't know what game you're watching if you can't see the skills on show.
They're proper ballers these lads and they're testing each other more than players ever did back in the day.
The decision making is at a level that wasn't even a consideration 20 years ago.
Whammo86 (National) - 27/09/2019 22:05:04
Posters Crossing The Line - 18 Like(s)
The post you refer to was not a personal slight on a player.
The post was so obviously satirical. The David Clifford of the post bears next to no resemblance to the real David Clifford. The David Clifford of the post is a caricature and not even one of the real David Clifford.
There was nothing specifically targeted at Clifford in that post at all. The character could have been named after any Kerry player and still have worked exactly the same.
The target of the satire was categorically not David Clifford, the target of the satire was the Kerry posters who claim to be unable to compete with Dublin financially. The post was highlighting that Kerry players are hardly badly off themselves.
I mean my god. I'm far from being an anti pc zealot and believe in respect for all, but we have to be able to allow for good natured humour also. There was just nothing unsavory about that post whatsoever.
Whammo86 (National) - 05/06/2019 05:41:02
Joe Brolly Finished With RTE - 15 Like(s)
I will not miss him.
I never understood the Joe Brolly being "box office" (i'm cringing typing that phrase) description.
He's an average GAA pundit, with a bit of a colourful turn of phrase and with a sense that he's got free license to say whatever comes into his head.
He's hijacked so many conversations at times to discuss whatever it is that's of interest to him.
He goes off at all sorts of tangents. I think he views himself as some sort of saviour of the Association, he's more interested in the workings of the upper offices of the sport than he is in the games himself.
I actually just think he's not that good of a pundit either. I never feel he's said something new or enlightened.
I think it's funny how after the Mayo Dublin semi final we was praising himself for calling their kick outs, the weak link. At halftime of that game he was specifically questioning the short kickout strategy. Mayo in the second half got cleared out in midfield as they went long which was actually what Brolly was advocating they do.
His relationship with Joanne is toxic, and although the hurling coverage is far from perfect at least there is some flow to what they're doing. That has me thinking it's less Joanne's fault than Brolly's.
I'm glad to see the back of him.
Whammo86 (National) - 11/09/2019 18:23:44
Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 15 Like(s)
That's just not true.
I just believe that people aren't being sensible at all on this topic.
There's an idea out there that the GAA only care about Dublin GAA.
It's simply not true.
This a the development report for 2015 explaining all the work the GAA is doing all over the country.
All I'm saying is that I don't feel Dublin should be defunded with money redistributed to weaker counties.
Dublin needs coaches to deal with the sheer number of kids living in the country.
It's also not true that Dublin kids aren't playing the games.
The Blue Wave 2010-2017 proposal describes the numbers playing Go Games in 2010.
Out of of a total population of 38k for the 2 year Go Games age group in 2010 there were over 7k playing football and almost 5k playing hurling.
It's hard to know how many played both but those figures show that in 2010, before the start of Blue Wave, there was between 20-30% take up of our games by the children of Dublin.
That's boys and girls, includes all the kids with no interest in sport. 20-30% take up. It will only have grown since then.
To say that Dublin isn't getting kids participating is a myth.
Whammo86 (National) - 28/07/2019 21:48:09
Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 15 Like(s)
I just don't agree with that last part.
The GDF just isn't that inequitable.
Dublin also came up with the model and it's now being rolled out to Meath, Kildare, Wicklow, Louth and Belfast.
I just don't see how the current 1.23m of a total budget of 11m being spent on Dublin as all that out of step.
So outside of that Dublin money there's 3.5m spent development personnel, 1.5m spent on county projects.
There's then 2.3m being spent on hurling development.
18m overall spend on Dublin isn't actually that much also.
It's always referenced v say 1.2m as being distributed to the next county. That's not a fair comparison as I've tried to point out a number of times.
It's 18m of somewhere in the region of 120m total spend on development in the same time period.
It's 1/5 of the price of Páirc Ui Chaoimh. It's the going rate of about 4 centres of development. It's money efficiently spent and benefiting 10 of thousands of kids each year.
It's clearly getting more people playing Gaelic games in Dublin.
Imagine if say the FA implemented a games development initiative in London that was so successful and got the numbers playing soccer greatly increased. There would not be calls of it being a disgrace. There'd be no calls to defund it.
It's just because of the nature of the GAA's county system that the top teams are decided by geographic borders that this becomes an issue.
The GAA's remit is to promote the games. I think providing a proper coaching infrastructure in the clearly most populous area is part of that remit.
If you decide to do that, there's a cost associated with it and it just has to be paid.
If you ever budget a project in a business capacity there's ways to save around the edges at times, but to do a project there's a critical amount of money that is required to make it a success. It just has to be paid if the project is worth being done.
Whammo86 (National) - 26/07/2019 18:09:16
CASEMENT, BELFAST AND ANTRIM - 14 Like(s)
I'm one person.
I don't red or green thumb myself and I preferred it when these weren't a feature to be honest.
I talk about the Dublin funding a lot because there are a lot of threads on it and a lot of it irritates me into discussing.
I discuss the competition structures a lot because I'm a bit of a geek. As someone from a weaker county, ways of improving the games as intercounty level is meaningful for me.
I don't have a lot to talk about with Antrim, unfortunately, If you don't know they're not that high profile, but during the NFL I will occasionally post.
I'm a bit removed from Antrim club football having moved to an East Meath club, I follow that club scene, although I don't post really on their own forum.
No real reason why I don't, just never have.
You got a lot more of a response out of me than you deserved there but I've nothing to hide.
Whammo86 (National) - 01/10/2019 17:30:51
"Why Should Anybody Have The God-Given Right To See All Games On Television?" - 13 Like(s)
It's less of a concern for me but I do really hate the overall sports right industry and media platforms in general in how their are fragmenting the market for tv.
Adding new players to the market has been about increasing competition and lower costs, it's been an industry wide tactic to extract most value out of an industry that doesn't have much room for natural expansion.
There is value add in that more live sport and good quality programming is being produced by my good are they really squeezing people.
In the past if you wanted to see a TV3 show instead of RTE you change the channel.
If you want to see an Amazon Prime show but you've already gotten Netflix and Sky do you fork out for more.
It's also the demographic that this strategy targets.
Lower socioeconomic classes watch more tv. They have access to fewer other leisure activities like going to dinner or seeing plays etc. It's specifically squeezing the poorer class and also rural areas.
The GAA are in bed with these guys.
Look also at the ads on Sky, decent amount for vice activities like gambling and drinking. Pub licensing is an ever growing an significant cut of the profit of the industry.
I drink and gamble, I don't have a huge problem with vice industries personally but they do make all their profits from addicts.
If it wasn't for addicts by and large drinks companies couldn't survive at their current costs of production.
It's not really in keeping with the GAA's healthy lives message.
Ah yeah we'll get rid of drink advertising directly but we will still have exposure to it through this middle man, who'll keep most of the profits anyway.
Whammo86 (National) - 06/08/2019 18:31:02
In Lieu Of The Advanced Mark - 13 Like(s)
I don't like it.
I'll be honest I don't really like rules that are trying to force how teams play into some style.
When there's 2 top teams playing and they're evenly enough matched then there's nothing wrong with the rules of the game.
There were plenty of good football matches this year.
At club level in Meath, I find the games exciting still.
Can teams play really dull, boring, conservative football. Yes absolutely.
I think the main issue is with those team's management rather than the rules.
Whammo86 (National) - 16/12/2019 17:49:23
Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 13 Like(s)
Seriously though I am a real person and have been on the site a long time.
I'm originally from Antrim but have worked in Dublin for over 10 years and currently live in Dublin.
I have also been playing for a Meath club for over 10 years.
Up until I read the Irish Times article from 2017 I believed the likes of Ewan McKenna. There will definitely be posts of mine on here from pre 2017 where I'm critical of the money spent on Dublin.
I read the article and heard for the first time about how Provincial councils pay GDOs except in Dublin where they are paid by the county board.
That prompted me to look into things properly on my own.
I really do feel there's a lot of misinformation out there sensationalising the money spent on Dublin.
It also annoys me as an Antrim man to here say a Kerry person give out about unfairness now that they're not winning.
The money that has been invested by the GAA no doubt has helped Dublin GAA. No doubt.
I mean it has gotten more people playing GAA. Surely that is the key principle that is part of the GAA's mission statement to promote Gaelic Games.
The GAA still are doing great work all over the country promoting our games.
Anyone wanting to learn more, the most recent development report I can find from 2015, has information on what projects the association is doing all over the country to promote the games.
Whammo86 (National) - 27/07/2019 13:46:40
Keeping The Gaa Amateur And Sensible Commitment Levels - 13 Like(s)
No it's not.
He's just giving his opinion on what the GAA should do.
This is after all a GAA forum.
I don't agree with everything he says here but he's definitely highlighting areas that the GAA need to think about.
Whammo86 (National) - 21/12/2019 17:03:03
Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President - 13 Like(s)
I hate these threads.
I hate responding to them because it gives them fuel to continue but I do have to try to get some perspective here.
Anyone who is against the GAA's €1.5m a year games development funding going to Dublin GAA is against trying to get as many Dublin born children playing Gaelic games.
That's it. That's what you are fighting.
There's a project in place to coach as many of the roughly 15k children a year born in Dublin as possible.
The cost of that project is currently about 3-3.5m per annum of which the GAA puts up half.
Why does the GAA not put that money into other counties?
It doesn't cost that amount to coach kids in other counties because there are 15k children being born in those counties each year.
Also any stat that compares the money going to Dublin versus say Cork isn't a fair comparison. Anyone using those stats are basing their arguments on a bad faith use of the funding breakdown.
Much of that information has been vociferously spread by the completely unbiased reporting from ... Ewan McKenna?
Most of the money being spent by the games development funds is being spent on GDO's. Dublin based GDO's are employed by the Dublin county board funded in part by GAA central council.
Cork GDO's are employed by Munster Council part funded by GAA central council. Cork children are still having coaching provided to them from funding provided by the GAA central council, it just never flows through the hands of the Cork county board.
Dublin GAA gets around €1.5m a year of a total games development budget of around €11m. It's a whole lot less sensational number there isn't it. That's because the story is a lot less sensational than some would have you believe.
Whammo86 (National) - 25/07/2019 05:44:38
Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 13 Like(s)
That's a fair criticism. I was certainly presenting the numbers uncritically.
This is an Internet forum though and few others are ever held to the scrutiny that you're applying to me.
I will be more careful though because I do believe in the spirit of my arguments and don't want to undermine it.
I don't believe those Blue Wave numbers to be pulled from nowhere. They actually just can't be, it's illegal to be procuring money under false pretenses. The definitely could be loose in how they've been constructed though.
Some on here would have you believe that no one is playing GAA in Dublin. I don't think it's true, although it is a fair point, I don't know why the registered members numbers wouldn't be increasing.
Do you have stats for membership and how they've developed. I have struggled to find them.
It's becoming less true by the year as more people move from country areas to Dublin and have their kids playing.
I'm not employed by the GAA or in anyway associated with a Dublin club.
The club I joined since I moved to work in Dublin is based in East Meath, although I do now live in Dublin city.
Whammo86 (National) - 31/07/2019 10:02:40
Meath clubs in Leinster - 13 Like(s)
The structures aren't that bad.
The group stage is a little bit long but still from the quarter-finals on it is do or die. The same as any other championship.
The group stage does mean that the best teams are more likely to make the quarterfinals, so there's less chance of getting handy quarterfinals or semifinals.
The system of 1 up 1 down isn't great though. Too many teams just hanging on to their senior status.
Meath teams just aren't quite good enough at Leinster level. It's not the formats fault.
There's an arrogance in Meath regarding your standing as a strong football county. It's becoming less justified as the year's go on.
You have to stop blaming things like club championship formats and get back to the real problem. You aren't producing the players that you once were and as a result your teams aren't good enough.
I'm not really familiar with the juvenile structures but I believe there have been changes to it in recent years. Hopefully that'll see you on the path to improvement. These things don't get reversed overnight though and they don't get fixed by ignoring the real problems.
Whammo86 (Meath) - 26/11/2016 13:47:40
Analyst Claims Dubs 'Actually Being Underfunded' - 13 Like(s)
I'm not saying we provide based on birth rates.
There's no formula.
Money is distributed for projects not based on an exact formula.
All I'm saying is Dublin's piece of the pie is certainly not as out of step as Ewan McKenna would tell you.
There isn't financial doping going on.
I give birth rates because it indicates how much of a need for coaches there is in Dublin.
Whammo86 (National) - 28/07/2019 21:34:34
CASEMENT, BELFAST AND ANTRIM - 12 Like(s)
I have often.
You never answer the fact that you only ever consider games development money going directly to counties and forget that outside of Dublin and now Belfast, it's the Provincial councils paying for development officers.
Dublin's spend in that regard comes right back in line once that's considered.
There can be arguments over whether Dublin deserve to be getting money close to being in line with their population numbers, since there's likely to be less take up in Dublin than say Kerry or Donegal.
That's a fair point, it doesn't tend to be the one you mostly make though.
I still disagree with it.
If you want to grow a business you'd want to invest in areas of greater potential growth. You have the demographics in Dublin changing such that the rural to urban migration is seeing a greater number of GAA oriented people living in Dublin.
There's displacement also in strong soccer playing strongholds.
Dublin is only going to be more GAA and those players need to be provided for.
The All Ireland is going to be less competitive but I think that's a less important concern than getting strong numbers out playing our games.
I actually feel that more focus should be made on the club game anyway and the county game scaled back hugely. That conversation is for another day.
Whammo86 (National) - 26/09/2019 12:24:36
Dublin V Louth - What A Farce - 12 Like(s)
I tried to read up on this as much as I could.
My perception is that there is not exact formula.
The money is used in a couple of different ways.
Some of it is for infrastructure development.
A large amount of it is for coaching initiatives.
In Dublin a lot is spent on paying GDOs. These guys are needed to organize the sheer number of kids that are coming down to the largest of clubs.
County boards and Provincial councils make a case as to what they require to promote their games.
Dublin GAA needs people on the ground.
Those saying give that money to other counties, how are they going to use that money. What works in Dublin a part of the country with a population density that completely exceeds every other area of the country will not work in a more rural county.
This is an interesting document on the work being done.
Dublin definitely have benefited from the money the GAA has put into them. I don't think anything should be done about it. In case people aren't aware there are new kids born in Dublin every year.
There's a cost associated with getting them out and playing our games. I think the association just have to pay it.
The county game does suffer as a result but I mean what can you do. If one county dwarfs the rest in population and have their act together they are going to be at the top table.
Inter county football is certainly high profile but it isn't the be all and end all of our games.
This idea that people need to be in counties that can compete for All Ireland's is rubbish. There are plenty of people like me from weak counties who get loads out of the game.
I really detest some of the moaning about Dublin on here. It's so resentful, it's petty, it's narrow minded and takes no consideration of all the good going into young children's lives in Dublin GAA clubs many of which are situated in some economically deprived parts of the country.
Whammo86 (National) - 28/05/2019 18:17:12
No Red Thumbs - 12 Like(s)
Very positive update to the forum to remove the red thumbs in my opinion.
Whammo86 (National) - 02/07/2020 05:42:50
Championship Restructure?? - 12 Like(s)
It's not possible to do that in Meath, where there's also hurling to take into account.
League is definitely a very secondary competition in Meath but it works for their needs.
As an outsider who came to play in Meath these proposals make a lot of sense.
The championship needed to be split so that reserve teams played separately from 1st teams.
They can actually have much better championships now with more games. Moving the best teams into the A league makes sense also.
The Intermediate championship having 20 teams is fine. The weakest 1st teams will probably get a bit of a roasting in Championship.
They will get better quality league games though with second teams joining the league.
It should be 2 up 2 down for relegation. There's not enough movement between the grades was something badly wrong with the previous system that hasn't been mentioned here.
Whammo86 (Meath) - 06/10/2018 16:25:32
Championship Restructure?? - 12 Like(s)
2 up 2 down would improve things a lot.
9 is a stupid number for those going into the knockout rounds. You have to have 4 rounds instead of 3 for the sake of 1 game.
You could keep 18 teams and play a Longford style championship, every team plays 3 matches. 1 ladder, 8 best records into quarterfinals. Bottom 4 into relegation playoff. With 2 losers down.
Whammo86 (Meath) - 04/08/2017 13:56:46
Playing "Keep Ball"... - 12 Like(s)
I agree with this.
'Lovely football' bores me.
Say Kerry v Mayo this year where there's acres of space.
There was nice scoring and passing but no intensity.
Nothing to get you excited.
I was well entertained for about 130 minutes of the 2 finals.
Loads of turnovers, good defending, good patient build up.
Kerry were out on their feet in the last 10 on Sunday trying to keep in touch with Dublin.
Sometimes teams have nothing left to give.
Dublin managed the game well, as they should when Sam is on the line.
It is bizarre to me that a very enjoyable game would be used to highlight something wrong with the game as a whole. I'd hold the finals up as an example of our game being in great shape when 2 teams try to win and are evenly enough matched.
Whammo86 (National) - 20/09/2019 11:40:32