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Boycott Leinster Championship 2020 - 21 Like(s)
Two prominent players from two different Leinster counties have come out in recent weeks calling on their counties to boycott Leinster championship next year. I've heard whispers from players in other counties and you can be sure there are many players behind them saying the same out loud. Momentum could build quickly on this.
I think it would be a fantastic idea and the right up yours to John Horan and his mob. Obviously idea is that GAA have doped one team behind any semblance of competition etc etc so its time to take back what was once a great competition.
Two groups:
Meath, Carlow, Offaly, Westmeath
Kildare, Laois, Louth, Wexford
Top two teams in semi finals. Final played in Tullamore or Portlaoise (or another ground that isn't home ground of a finalist).
I think it would attract great crowds and above all else it would be fair.
Crinigan (National) - 01/07/2019 22:24:27
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Meath V Tipp - 20 Like(s)
Replying To royaldunne: "Name the best players who won't play for this management?? Name and shame.
Now baring in mind don't mention those who are gone for a year be it studies, or traveling, name this great 14 that would have us so much further on. NAME THEM." Why would I name the players? Lots of people know who the players are who aren't interested in playing and that includes some who have travelled abroad. But obviously, I or anyone else are not going to name them on the hoganstand forum to be subject to the opinions of individuals like yourself who have no problem giving horrendous abuse to people who have given service to Meath like Mick O' Dowd and Paddy O' Rourke for example.
Your posts usually consist of generalisms about getting behind the team and by jaysus we are Meath so we will win be gorrah. Maybe that's why you get so many dislikes on your posts? You also clearly have personal vendetta's based on God knows what against certain people like MOD. Why so vicious and personal in your attacks on MOD when Meath are performing no better under the current management. Is there really such a difference? MOD seemed to have the best players available playing for him (apart from 3 who he fell out with and who everyone knows). He didn't always pick Graham Reilly though, maybe that's it? I wouldn't pick him either as would many many others for reasons that have been mentioned ad nauseum on these pages.
Nobody has actually called for management to step down or resign and nobody has said such and such should be made Meath manager. In fact, most people, including myself are supportive of them continuing on and are hopeful they can sort things out. However, people, who are actually genuinely Meath fans and not barstoolers who shout the loudest, are wondering though why so many players have left the panel. Its incredible to have to say this, but that actually makes them real fans, they want Meath to win, they want the best players to play for Meath, they are actually involved in Meath football (imagine!), see these players playing club football (imagine!) and so they are putting the questions out there.
Crinigan (Meath) - 27/02/2018 17:10:48
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Meath V Longford - 18 Like(s)
Replying To Furlong1949: "You r wrong
laois were not league winners previously . Loais hammered in boylans third year in charge in the leinster championship. This laois team won league title in 1986 . Out of completly nowhere from basically div 4. let me explain.
longford in 2018 had better record then laois in 1985. In 1985 no one expected laois to beat Meath. Meath were in divsion 1. Laois were in division 3. Yes longford are in div 3. But they were very unlucky not to be promoted to div 2. In 1985 Laois were very unlucky not to be relegated to div 4. Laois in 1985 finished joint bottom second with Wicklow. There was a relegation play off between laois and Wicklow in 1985 to see who would be relegated to div 4. Laois won. So there was uproar in Meath when laois beat us for it was a massive upset when a team nearly relegated to div 4 beat us. The Meath supporters wanted Boylan gone after laois humilated us.
Even in 1986 league, laois won from div 4. There was restructuring of the league in winter of 86 and div 3 and div 4 were broke into div 3 north and div 3 south. Laois ended up in div 3 south ( the bottom division). Back then there was no div 2 3 or 4 finals. All the top 2 teams of each div 1 2 3 4 went into quater finals. Technically laois won the national league division title ( which today would be called national league division 1 title) from div 4. It is one of the rare examples of a team winning league from div 4 or outside the top 2 divs. That result v Meath and league in 86 was thats all for laois . They never did anything else. So laois in 1985 would be like Wicklow or Offaly beating Meath now. Laois were a div 3 team in 1985 that was nearly relegated to div 4. I think Wicklow had better score difference in 1985 but there was no score difference so if you finished on same points there was relegation play off. Laois result in 85 was a total shock. Todays wasnt." Jesus Christ your posts are terrible. It's like listening to grandpa Simpson. A long post about the league restructurings if 1985 for no apparent reason.
Honestly who cares about what happened in 1985?
McEntee took charge with his tough guy approach which has turned out to be all a load of bluster. His managent has been an unmitigated disaster.
Players have left the panel en masse...the style of football is frankly shameful...he has to go. End of. The whole thing has been a waste of time and effort.
To think that the club championship is being held up for this embarrassing shambles. I'll say it again, inter county football is dead. The GAA in their greed balls it up and you have one professional team playing the rest. Forget about it. Focus on the club championship, pump the meager resources into the clubs and focus on the 99% of footballers in Meath.
Crinigan (Meath) - 27/05/2018 19:29:49
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So It'S Clare - 17 Like(s)
Replying To royaldunne: "Totally agree, it was beyond criticism. And extremely classless by some so called Meath supporters.
But he answered them in the best fashion today." So you "totally agree" that O'Sullivan, out on his feet with the exhaustion of effort at final whistle yesterday, has "contributed nothing" in past two matches (he scored a vital point yesterday and set up a couple) but it was "extremely classless" to say that Brennan's three very poor missed frees in a row were a reflection of a player that maybe isn't up to the required standard of where we want to be? (did anyone post anything more critical than that?)
Again, you fully agree that O'Sullivan contributed nothing without any statistics or examples of proof to back up the statement yet its extremely classless to have reservations about Ben Brennan backed up by concrete examples???
Are you a Meath supporter or are you just supporting your club men and that's why you support Meath? Nothing wrong with that but you can't be so blatantly biased towards your club men to the detriment of having an objective view about what the best team is. And you can't call objective criticisms "extremely classless" while "totally agreeing" with a comment that says one player ""contributed nothing" when the evidence points that he did at least contribute something.
Crinigan (Meath) - 08/07/2019 09:16:02
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Meath V Cork - 17 Like(s)
Replying To MeathWawa: "I admit I was wrong. I saw meath winning today by 5/6 - will take the abuse if you want to tell me what a fool I was.
However something is badly wrong in ththe camp. Maybe MCentee has lost the dressing room. Those players are not as bad as they showing. If you believe that then we have problems.
I always believe the players are there in meath but this team is playing like one of the worse meath teams ever,
We look worse now than at any other point under MOD.
We should beat Louth and then Down will be a 50/50 game. Down have some handy forwards which worries me and we seem to be conceding very easily.
If anyone knows what the problem is let me know as we playing like a division 3 mid table team. Could not see us winning division 3 based on last 3 games" Fair play to ye, I was only slagging.
What's wrong? Well, imo, think of the gk position. Go back to start of this management and then trace all the decisions that have led us to now having 40 year David Gallagher in goals (doesn't play gk for dunboyne and hasn't for many years). How many Gk are there in Meath? And how many were disillusioned when Joe Sheridan was picked as the no.16 and now have no interest.
Now take this situation, it's logic and it's consequences and multiply it by numerous positions across the field.
Crinigan (Meath) - 11/03/2018 19:31:46
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Meath V Tipp - 16 Like(s)
Replying To bdbuddah: "I think some on here writing off the season too soon. Last 2 games a bit disapointing especially after first 2 games people were starting to think we were improving and possibility of promoation was looking realistic.
If we lose next 3 league games and get relegated I will agree things look terrible but I think we will end up winning 1 or 2 of our remaining games (5 points would be unlikely to see us relegated). I think we will end up staying in this division, mid table as usual. Easy to forget most years we have some dire performances in the league which people afterwards say are 'the worst ever'.
Last season I thought we were a little bit improved on previous Championship seasons, we actually won a qualifier match and there was no second half collapses to look back on.
Wait till we are knocked out of the championship to judge are we going backwards or forwards." Nonsense.
A few of our Comical Ali posters who know little or nothing about Meath club football but claim to be Meath's greatest fans because "by God" and "be Jaysus" and "passion this and "hit them hard that" thought that average and selfish club footballers from their own clubs were going to win all stars this year and that if you dared ask what exactly happened to our best players were not real fans.
Anyone with even a passing interest in meath football couldn't believe their eyes when the Meath squad was announced in the Chronicle before Christmas. It read like the Meath junior team announced on the eve of Leinster junior championship match, all the best players apart from Keoghan were gone. Divisive selfish figures Who one would have thought the McEntees would have no time for remained.
Presumably many of the county's best players won't play for this management team. That's why we have this poor squad. Nobody wants to be treated like children. I'm sure you can shortly add the pick of the bunch from the latest players to be messed around with last night. O Neil taken off in first half, Tobin taken off in first half - Boylan wouldn't do that, nor would Gavin or McGuinness to a team that is only developing . What was it in aid of ? To frighten them? Teach a lesson? Gain respect? Respect is earned, and management have to earn that respect the same as players do.You have to treat players with respect - this macho old fashioned bullshit ( there is a few managers in meath notorious for it, one who I think has managed every club at this stage and now none will touch him) doesn't work anymore.
The players rightfully will ask themselves who the fk are you and why am I taking this shit. There seems to be no culture or tactic to buy into. You'd think they'd at least ask themselves why all these players dropped off?
Maybe we'd be better off in Div 3 for a year or two at this point and rebuild from there.
Crinigan (Meath) - 25/02/2018 14:50:41
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Meath V Tyrone - 16 Like(s)
For what it's worth, it was poor management to sub Yorke unless he was injured. Even if playing poorly I think you stick by him, otherwise why bring him into the setup in first place. By taking him off, what's the next step now? Is Yorke dropped from panel? How can he come back now? And what do rest of players make of it, seeing a debutant thrown under the bus to be replaced by an outfield player in a high profile Div 1 match?
Just all very amateurish. We've had 5 months to find a new goalie and then he gets irreparably dumped after 45 mins on his debut.
Crinigan (Meath) - 26/01/2020 20:58:08
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Meath V Tipperary NFL Rd 1 - 16 Like(s)
Replying To dunboynelad: "Brilliant footballer, his left boot is ridiculously good. When he slotted a sideline from the corner in Navan for the county final, I don't think there was anyone there that was surprised. He is fairly one footed being fair but such is his unique style of kicking I don't think I have ever seen him blocked down. On the flip side some might argue the inter county game doesn't have space for throwback forwards such as this anymore which is quite depressing but a fair point to an extent, maybe rule changes will change that to a degree. Don't think we'll ever find out in his case however, I don't think he has the time to commit. Football wise alone I have no doubt he would be good enough, I remember someone scoffed at that idea last year which baffled me but no point arguing a hypothetical point really.
On another note, decent review of Saturday gone here: https://soundcloud.com/user-158378740/ep-38-obyrne-cup-players-to-watch-tipperary-first-up-new-chship-structure
These lads were quite taken with Campion as was anyone I spoke to who went so looking forward to seeing if he can make the step up, sounds encouraging. Whatever about a shortage of inside forwards for a while now, we still appear to produce plenty of half forwards. I would have loved to see Larkin giving it a go this year as to my eyes he is the best centre forward / playmaker currently in the county unless you're including COS there but we have some competition in and around here at least." Good analysis, would love him to be given a go with Meath. I'm not sure Newman should be in FF, I think his athleticism makes him better out the field in half forwards.
David Larkin is a brilliant footballer, hard as nails and very talented, the one player I'd pay in to watch on the club scene- don't care what age he is he should be on the Meath panel. I think in him and McCarthy you would be getting two strong characters as well and that's what intercounty football is all about, you need real men to take responsibility and drive the thing forward. Thats why I've always been annoyed with one particular club having 6+ players on Meath panel despite fact the club wasn't even coming close to winning anything, both Larkin and McCarthy drove their teams into the county final, we need these types on the county team.
Crinigan (Meath) - 18/01/2019 21:59:24
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Meath U20 2020 - 16 Like(s)
Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "Because the manager Ger Robinson was a selector with the Dunboyne senior team so would be familiar with the senior teams, he was also intermediate manager so familiar with them, and junior manager in 2018 when they won it so he has experience in Senior, Inter and Junior over the last 2 years. Also, a selector with the 17's 3 years ago so knows this age well from that. Not to mention he has a backroom team that also bring their knowledge to it. And maybe North vs South Meath wasn't mentioned but it's funny that you never hear lads on here campaigning for South Meath lads to be on Meath panels because we know that if you're good enough you're on it or at least asked to be on it" South Meath lads like Donncha Tobin? Or Anthony Moyles maybe... all overlooked at u21 level. You gonna tell me they were not good enough?
Do you actually have an opinion LetrimRoyal or do you just blindly follow whatever team management picks?
Also your case for Ger Robinson is actually laughable. He's been a selector on a minor team and has managed a junior team - jaysus maybe I'll apply for Meath u20 manager next year myself. Sure to raise money for Pairc Tailtean maybe we could raffle off the position of Meath u20 manager next year? Would make as much sense.
Crinigan (Meath) - 05/01/2020 22:26:57
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Dublin 2015 - 2019 - 16 Like(s)
Replying To sam1884: "We have seen good football teams in the past from Cavan and Wexford back in the day. The Dubs of the 70's, Down in the 60's and of course the Kerry 4 in a row team. However there can now be no debate to who is the best football team to ever play the game.
For a team to win 5 senior All Ireland's in a row is something we're unlikely to see again. It looks from the celebrations this was a target from a few years back - never seen Gavin smile as much. With the social media age this achievement will see Dublin GAA and this group of players rise to a new level and they're made for life after this.
They are now the powerhouse of football and their next target will be Kerry's 37. Also don't underestimate how much this will hurt Kerry - they have still a great tradition but can no longer claim to have produced the best team to play the game. This hurt almost brought Kerry to this All Ireland and I have no doubt Sam will head to the kingdom in the next year or two.
Congratulations to Dublin footballers and people should be prepared for films, books, documentaries for decades to come about Dublin 2015 - 2019 - the best ever!" The lack of hype and buildup as well the reaction on social media says it all. 5 in a win, supposed to be special and nobody cares. Why?
It's a 100% tainted achievement.
Crinigan (National) - 14/09/2019 20:12:35
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Meath V Tyrone - 15 Like(s)
Replying To royaldunne: "Beakey is best keeper in county. But I still think maybe a little young." How do you have any clue who the best keeper in county is?
You're literally just naming the Colmcille's keeper because he's from your club. Last year you were on main forum telling all and sundry how Ben Brennan was going to strike fear into the Dubs, we saw how that turned out.
Crinigan (Meath) - 28/01/2020 20:10:02
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Management Merry Round - 15 Like(s)
Replying To bobjaffacake: "The main problem with Blackhall is higher up in the club.players are not the main problem" From what I understand and what I've heard from insiders, the biggest problem the club has is that its too big in terms of its catchment area - its about 12 km from one end to the other and so you have kids from one end of the club having to travel for 20 minutes in a car just to get to training in Batterstown and vice versa to Kilcloon. Some of the kids on Kilcloon side would live closer to Kilcock GAA, Maynooth GAA or Moynalvey GAA than they would to the Batterstown pitch. The kids growing up will go to school in towns ranging from Maynooth to Kilcock to Dunboyne to Trim to Coolmine even, meaning that its very difficult to create a team spirit as people and families don't really know eachother and there is no centre of interest creating a community feel and closeness you'd associate with a country club.
They'd probably be better off going their separate ways and going back to Kilcloon and Batterstown as separate junior clubs at this stage - if the amalgamation isn't competing at senior level, whats the the point as apparently too many players and families step away from the club and don't remain attached to the club as they don't fully identify with it (even ones from well known families within the club are heavily involved now in rival clubs and don't remain with the club) - on both the Batterstown and Kilcloon side seemingly.
On the management front, I can't comment other than to reflect what is common knowledge regarding egos and difficult players to manage once their golden generation of the early 00s had moved on. Maybe Blackhall posters would have a view?
Crinigan (Meath) - 20/12/2018 15:41:19
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Meath v Carlow 3 Jan 2018 - 15 Like(s)
Replying To royaldunne: "Replying To St.Conleth: "Brilluant. Will take him a while to figure that one out."
Honestly, though lads
Kildare are the only team in Leinster at the moment who will challenge Dublin and they have a lot of very exciting players. They need to find some belief from somewhere though.
Meath have fallen a long long way and are in a bad place. Our best players have left the panel and those on it aren't even turning up for training or challenge matches in sufficient numbers.
Crinigan (Meath) - 29/12/2017 14:05:15 2066148
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I'm sorry I can't let this blatant lie go. Come on crinigan either back this up with facts or withdraw them.
Now I know it was to get kudos from the Kildare lads on main forum at my expense (I'm too long on here to care). But to post such a accusation against our senior team and players and management without even trying to back it up is to say the least disgraceful. I will ask you to either give the players names who aren't bothered to turn up to training or challenge matches that were named in 41 man panel.
Or if as we all know this isn't happening. Retract the unfair and unmeath comments to our lads who are turning up at every training and challenge match that they can." First off, you are embarrassing us on the main page with your arrogant nonsense, not for first time either.
Secondly do you really think 1) anyone here is going to write down in great detail what some of the issues are with the panel and 2) that they would be allowed to be published on a forum such as this. I'd thought you'd know that since you've been around here so long.
If you lived in the county or were anyway involved in the county rather than existing in your own time capsule dated between 1987 and 1999, you'd probably have an indication of the issues at hand.
And save us the suddenly sensitive to the plight of the Meath players after all the disgraceful mud you threw at the previous management team and the players that left the panel recently.
As I said, it's time to support the current players and management and hope all issues get sorted so we can put our best foot forward.
Crinigan (Meath) - 30/12/2017 20:18:02
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Management Merry Round - 15 Like(s)
Replying To southmeathgael: "I don't think I've ever seen such a waffling, long winded ,factually incorrect message on hoganstand" Well I'm open to correction on any of the points I made.
Maybe everything is rosy in the garden there and my info is wrong and it's a tight knit club, I'm not too bothered either way as they are not my club. I'd be amazed though if the kids growing up in all the new estates on the outskirts of Kilcock which are in Meath and therefore within BHG catchment area will travel the 16km to train in Batterstown though.
Crinigan (Meath) - 20/12/2018 19:56:12
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Meath V Mayo - 15 Like(s)
Sorry lads, hate to say it but the final 15 minutes when the game was there to be taken was a shocking indictment of this management team.
Leaving aside all the tactical shortcomings discussed daily here, wtf were they doing with O'SUllivan and McEntee going for vital scores from distance frees while Barry Dardis was kicking his heels on the sideline. I mean it was embarrassing to have no free taker on the pitch at such a vital time. Dardis is exceptional from placed balls (yet has not taken one for Meath since kicking over arguably the greatest free I've ever seen a Meath player kick in Croke Park last summer, 70 yards out, way over on the right) and we had the wind at our backs. What the hell are the management thinking standing there looking at James McEntee kicking a 45? (even Menton kicks them over for his club sometimes).
And Eamonn Wallace came on of course because that's what we needed, right? And what does he do? I'll say nothing more. As predictable as night and day.
Crinigan (Meath) - 09/02/2020 19:35:46
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So It'S Clare - 15 Like(s)
Replying To Jackpot: "If Clare were to win who would replace Mcentee? Anthony Moyles , Malachy o Rourke , Sean Kelly,. Any other contenders ?" Some man to post nonsense.
On other threads you are saying we have no players and our club championship is crap and we should be getting players off Dublin clubs. Now this? Christ. Have a lie down for yourself.
Crinigan (Meath) - 01/07/2019 21:32:59
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Meath V Tipperary NFL Rd 1 - 15 Like(s)
Replying To seadog54: "a more determined, focused and coherent team than last year? This judgement after a couple of pre season games, two of which we lost." I think that is fair to say. McEntee definitely has put together the strongest panel he has had so far in his Meath management career going into this campaign (we could do still with a POR in goals though). I'm optimistic that we'll give a good account of ourselves and if that leads to promotion or relegation or whatever - so be it. I just want the players to do themselves justice and enjoy themselves playing for Meath.
Crinigan (Meath) - 13/01/2019 21:29:23
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Why? - 15 Like(s)
Replying To CastleBravo: "Out of curiosity, has there been any year recently where our minors aren't a "seriously talented bunch" or full of "unbelievable talent"?
I've been on the site around 10 years now and every year without fail people say we've one of the best minor teams in Ireland that year.
How is it that these supposedly super talented teams keep winning nothing? I find it hard to believe that they are leaving championships behind them year after year. Its more likely that they just aren't that good to begin with." I've noticed this as well. Every year we have a "serious" minor team! But we get two or three to be decent at senior level then they are a successful minor team in my book.
Crinigan (Meath) - 14/05/2018 13:08:29
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Meath V Tipperary NFL Rd 1 - 15 Like(s)
Replying To brian: "[quote=royaldunne: "[quote=brian: "RD he was nominated for an all star 9 years ago. That's like saying the Spain team that won the world cup or the Cork team that won the all ireland that year could win it now.. He has never showed up against a top calibre team in the championship. You can reference league all ye want but championship is where it matters most and against the best opposition Graham is always found wanting. He's great v anyone at or below our level but if its a better calibre of team he's not at the races. Great players find ways to perform at higher levels unfortunately Graham doesn't have that ability. In 2010 he had stephen bray being the main focus of the attack allowing him extra space and not as much attention." Since 2010 how many of the top 8 have we played? Who are the top 8? Dubs, Kerry , Tyrone, Monaghan, Mayo, Roscommon, Galway donegal? Haven't played Kerry mayo , Galway has always shown great against them, Monaghan destroyed Meath the twice we met them (league) Roscommon last year played excellent (league) dubs best Meath player last time we played , (papers ratings after match ) including 3 points from play, no complaints v donegal either a couple of years ago , so you see when u look at it the argument doesn't stack up, and is lazy analysis, and to borrow a term. Fake news."]RD people are entitled to their opinion and I admire and respect yours. Don't run down my opinion with your "fake news". Its insulting and personal. There's no need for it.
As you can see in my post in bold i said in the championship. In his most recent championship game he wasn't good enough. We've played Tyrone three times in recent years and he wasn't good enough in any of those games. The last game against Dublin there wasn't one player who played well. Saying he was top rated of a team that was abysmal is a nothing argument. The Donegal game he wasn't very god either. The rest of your comments relate to league matches where teams are not playing their full teams.
Here's another way to judge it. Would Graham get into our 80's or 90's team. For me he would only make the bench and wouldn't be first sub in for either team. Again you can argue the point and I'm sure you'd put him in but for me he's not close."]I know RD is a big fan of Graham Reilly and fair play to him for that but I wouldn't have him even on the Meath panel. There is no doubting his athleticism or talent on a given day but without wanting to criticize him too much, he's not the kind of player that winning teams carry. He's an individual talent and this is a team sport. If Jim Gavin was over Meath, there's no way he'd tolerate him.
Crinigan (Meath) - 22/01/2019 16:44:35
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2019 Club Championship. - 15 Like(s)
Replying To The_Ripper: "Yip tend to agree with you. Some of it is awful cringey and would only appeal to a certain type of lowbrow humour." I agree as well, calling a full back "diminutive" as well is unnecessary and would annoy me if I was the player or his teammates. The article is full of jibes and childish personal remarks attempting to be funny and would put me off reading his stuff again. His early work last year was excellent in fairness but it focused purely on the football and wasn't centered on his cringey "banter".
Crinigan (Meath) - 28/04/2019 09:05:05
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