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Replying To Pat1: "No thats not correct. The Kilkenny championship Is straight knock out but they use the league to rank/seed teams for the championship. They have a league competition with 2 groups of 6 (5 games) and how you do in the league determines where you start in the championship. Top team in each group play a league final. 2nd in each group play a shield final. Also the top four in each group are guaranteed to void relegation. With the bottom 2 are in each group in a relegation battle.It makes the league very competitive. In a nut she'll. Top 2 teams from each group enter the championship at 1/4 stage. 3rd vs 4th from each group -2 winners in 1/4 finals, 5th vs 6th from each group -2 winners in 1/4 finals with the 2 losers playing off in a relegation final. League & Shield finalists are on the other side of the draw from the teams that has come through from the above games in the quarter finall. Semi final is open draw. 6 games to win the league or the shield. Max of 4 games to win the championship (not counting replays) Min of 5 league games and 1 championship game. League & Championship is with county playears. The league & shield finals are played the same weekend as 3v4 & 5v6 games. If relegated, you are relegated from both the league and championship (visa versa if promoted). They also play another league competition, where clubs play without their county players. Not sure how many games there are in that,but I think there are at least another 5." That's very similar to the current Meath championship, only difference is in Meath we don't play for a cup at the end of the group stages. I'd still class the KK format as the one competition. Even though there's a few token cups after the group stages I'm sure there's only one prize in everyones mind. begining (UK) - Posts: 277 - 01/08/2017 08:54:49 2027132 Link
Actually the Meath Hurling setup is fine as it is. This year is probably the first time there has been such hammerings. I would however include the bottom 2 teams in each group in the relegation as opposed to just the bottom team. This would result in the lower teams having to stay involved as opposed to getting 2 points against the perceived weaker team and then just being satisfied to stay up. The only way to improve hurling in the weaker clubs is to put a better effort into the underage set up. Changing the championship group set up wont alter this. Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 01/08/2017 10:10:31 2027165 Link
Will ratoath beat trim in the final round, trim have been poor last 2 games! Trim look very unfit in their forwards and Ratoath look like there finding their feet! Heff is trims biggest threat but ratoaths full back Brian Murphy is a fine hurler should be well able to handle him!! Kelly and Murphy work like clock work in the backs m, Definitely the game to go see!! I'm calling ratoath by 2... and before you's have a go at me I'm a dunboyne man 36inchash (Dublin) - Posts: 20 - 01/08/2017 18:33:00 2027560 Link
Replying To 36inchash: "Will ratoath beat trim in the final round, trim have been poor last 2 games! Trim look very unfit in their forwards and Ratoath look like there finding their feet! Heff is trims biggest threat but ratoaths full back Brian Murphy is a fine hurler should be well able to handle him!! Kelly and Murphy work like clock work in the backs m, Definitely the game to go see!! I'm calling ratoath by 2... and before you's have a go at me I'm a dunboyne man" The answer in one word is no. Trim were missing Alan Douglas and Luke Moran and it completely affected their shape. No excuse for the level of the defeat to Kilmessan but Trim will beat Ratoath with at least 4 points to spare. trim1 (Meath) - Posts: 155 - 01/08/2017 21:29:01 2027622 Link
Replying To pim: "Kilmessan are starting to look a bit like the team of old and may be in a position to challenge. However one thing that could hinder them is the number of dual players they have and with dunsany going strong again I'm not sure it's sustainable to give both codes the attention required to be victorious in either. I don't think it's coincidence that kilmessans regression over the last couple of years has coincided with Dunsany's increased competitiveness at football level and that certain players may have to make a difficult decision as to which code they put more stock into being successful in. i.e. Senior hurling or junior football..." i wouldnt go as far as to say they have made difficult decisions theres only a handful of players from kilmessan who dont play football with dunsany or at all. Kilmessan's biggest problem going forward is that they are an aging team still and there is not a a huge pile of young players coming through. but they are finding form but its still kiltales to lose srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 02/08/2017 11:29:18 2027778 Link
why is the trim ratoath game not on the same time as dunboyne and kilmessan games. Trim will now know how many points they need to win by before they go out on the pitch in order to top the group. How can this be fair? overthehill72 (Meath) - Posts: 334 - 15/08/2017 12:21:59 2033574 Link
Replying To overthehill72: "why is the trim ratoath game not on the same time as dunboyne and kilmessan games. Trim will now know how many points they need to win by before they go out on the pitch in order to top the group. How can this be fair?" Totally agree, the CCC need to change this and give all teams a level playing field. Trim could overturn the score difference with the movitation of knowing they're target. The current results in Meath hurling show that the top 6 are way ahead of the rest and a 20+ points win would be the norm going on this seasons results. Redsalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 15/08/2017 13:34:30 2033608 Link
im putting money on kildalkey to win it, they have enda keogh back playing senior and duksy doran will be back for quater final. they could take kiltale in the final yet. it will be a very different team than the one kildalkey had out against kiltale in the first round. dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 532 - 15/08/2017 20:54:33 2033865 Link
Replying To dickie10: "im putting money on kildalkey to win it, they have enda keogh back playing senior and duksy doran will be back for quater final. they could take kiltale in the final yet. it will be a very different team than the one kildalkey had out against kiltale in the first round." Don't think kildalkey would get within 10 points of kiltale. Only team that will beat kiltale is kilmessan they were tantalising in the last round with Kevin Keena doing untold I don't think kiltale would be able to cope and you can believe that. thekillercrow (Meath) - Posts: 26 - 16/08/2017 13:39:37 2034199 Link
Replying To dickie10: "im putting money on kildalkey to win it, they have enda keogh back playing senior and duksy doran will be back for quater final. they could take kiltale in the final yet. it will be a very different team than the one kildalkey had out against kiltale in the first round." same players that they failed with the last few years? when they were actually in the prime need alot more than that to overcome the huge gulf between them teams kilmessan for sure the dark horse can see ratoath give trim a right good go next week poor trim team again a good young team be very tight hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 16/08/2017 15:44:52 2034296 Link
If it wasn't for the freak result of Longwood beating Kiltale in the 2013 semi-final, they could actually be going for their 6 in a row . . . Have Kiltale even lost a championship match since that ?? Since 2000 Kiltale and Kilmessan and Kildalkey have dominated the SHC . . . I can't see that trend changing in the next 5-10 years. Maybe it is time the Parish teams like Trim/Boardsmill, Na Fianna/Rathmolyon and Killyon/Longwood got their act together, buried a few hatchets and put out teams capable of challenging the Big 3 !!!!! BoscoFrench (Meath) - Posts: 43 - 16/08/2017 16:03:33 2034303 Link
Replying To BoscoFrench: "If it wasn't for the freak result of Longwood beating Kiltale in the 2013 semi-final, they could actually be going for their 6 in a row . . . Have Kiltale even lost a championship match since that ?? Since 2000 Kiltale and Kilmessan and Kildalkey have dominated the SHC . . . I can't see that trend changing in the next 5-10 years. Maybe it is time the Parish teams like Trim/Boardsmill, Na Fianna/Rathmolyon and Killyon/Longwood got their act together, buried a few hatchets and put out teams capable of challenging the Big 3 !!!!!" Ah stop black. You haven't a clue. Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 17/08/2017 11:38:09 2034627 Link
Replying To BoscoFrench: "If it wasn't for the freak result of Longwood beating Kiltale in the 2013 semi-final, they could actually be going for their 6 in a row . . . Have Kiltale even lost a championship match since that ?? Since 2000 Kiltale and Kilmessan and Kildalkey have dominated the SHC . . . I can't see that trend changing in the next 5-10 years. Maybe it is time the Parish teams like Trim/Boardsmill, Na Fianna/Rathmolyon and Killyon/Longwood got their act together, buried a few hatchets and put out teams capable of challenging the Big 3 !!!!!" Pie in the sky stuff. Will never happen. Up to all clubs to improve underage and structures within their club and change the Kiltale, Kildalkey and Kilmessan stranglehold which has existed on Meath hurling the last 10years or so. Redsalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 17/08/2017 12:08:01 2034638 Link
Replying To BoscoFrench: "If it wasn't for the freak result of Longwood beating Kiltale in the 2013 semi-final, they could actually be going for their 6 in a row . . . Have Kiltale even lost a championship match since that ?? Since 2000 Kiltale and Kilmessan and Kildalkey have dominated the SHC . . . I can't see that trend changing in the next 5-10 years. Maybe it is time the Parish teams like Trim/Boardsmill, Na Fianna/Rathmolyon and Killyon/Longwood got their act together, buried a few hatchets and put out teams capable of challenging the Big 3 !!!!!" That's actually not a bad idea. Rathmolyan have been decimated by Kiltale harvesting players in the Summerhill area. Longwood usually have about to 10 players capable to competing with the rest in the county. Trim / Boardsmill is a difficult one as you wold expect Trim to be in there with the big 3 especially as they are so dominant at underage. But town sides lose players more readily and they have a bit to go yet. A Trim / Boardsmill combination would be seriously competitive. I would add in Navan O'Mahonys / Wolfe Tones and Athboy / Dunderry to that mix and we would have a much improved senior championship. We could up the status of the league for individual club teams to keep together. It would be worth trying on a 3 year basis as I think you would see an improvement at county level if there are more competitive games at club level. oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 17/08/2017 15:56:29 2034748 Link
Replying To BoscoFrench: "If it wasn't for the freak result of Longwood beating Kiltale in the 2013 semi-final, they could actually be going for their 6 in a row . . . Have Kiltale even lost a championship match since that ?? Since 2000 Kiltale and Kilmessan and Kildalkey have dominated the SHC . . . I can't see that trend changing in the next 5-10 years. Maybe it is time the Parish teams like Trim/Boardsmill, Na Fianna/Rathmolyon and Killyon/Longwood got their act together, buried a few hatchets and put out teams capable of challenging the Big 3 !!!!!" In fairness Killyon were beaten in the final by kiltale in a hard fought game. They can definately compete with those three. Put them with Longwood and that team would beat all around them defeating the purpose. Not a hope it will ever happen anyway. All those clubs have numbers to go it alone. Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 17/08/2017 19:04:04 2034854 Link
i see on twitter dunderry gave kiltale a bye what a joke that is - makes a mockery of the senior championship and reflects very badly of them as a club makes even more of a case for a change in format hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 20/08/2017 23:43:36 2035789 Link
Replying To hurlit: "i see on twitter dunderry gave kiltale a bye what a joke that is - makes a mockery of the senior championship and reflects very badly of them as a club makes even more of a case for a change in format" That is a shambles. The club should be fined for that. If you cant man up enough to play a sport against 15 other men and just try your best an know you did then why bother playing against any of the teams. Dunderry should be ashamed. Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 476 - 21/08/2017 08:23:05 2035825 Link
Surely this means they will be automatically relegated and rightfully so. Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 21/08/2017 10:34:06 2035869 Link
Replying To Foley91: "Surely this means they will be automatically relegated and rightfully so." It is totally unacceptable that another club will be relegated having played all their games, Dunderry should be ashamed of themselves for doing this, i hope there is some ruling about walkovers in championship to relegate Dunderry, but i guess the question is do Dunderry really care about hurling any more. StickFan (Meath) - Posts: 192 - 21/08/2017 10:57:10 2035881 Link
I know there's a rule where 2 walkovers and you're relegated, but don't think they can just relegate them as punishment for one walkover. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 21/08/2017 11:21:23 2035898 Link