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Well you obviously know nothing about building if you say that building on a green field site is cost prohibitive. So you think it would cost less to remove the stand in Navan. The cost of removing the aspestus roof alone would cost a fortune. If Dunganny was a non runner then there's plenty of land out beside the retail park with easy access to all roads beside the town and the hospital!! Loads of room for parking and expansion. Think outside the BOX. By the way clubs never voted to pay for the redevelopment of Pairc Tailteann. The voted to pay for the planning application only. Which would cost 280.000 approximately.
latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 325 - 06/11/2017 18:30:57 2060850 Link 0 |
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Just seen a rendering of the proposed new stands (it shows all 4 sides being done up) on the Hoganstand Facebook page, House_Royal (Meath) - Posts: 14 - 06/11/2017 20:49:17 2060868 Link 0 |
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You mention things which would have to happen regardless of if they redevelop the current site or not. For example the asbestos, they can't just send the bulldozers in and that is if they flatten the place for apartments or for a new stand. I do believe that overall the current site is by far the best available. First of all the county board already own the land, this is often the largest single cost of a development. Second of all it is close to town and it is close to the roads out of town in particular the motorway, this is the best of both worlds. Bonus is if Navan ever gets it's railway back PT will be right close to the train station as well. Third of all, being close to town means that all of towns facilities is at the stadiums doorstep. If you built out in Dunganny or by the retail parks, where is the closest shop or chipper or pub? Matches in places like Clones are always great because of the atmosphere in the town. You'd be reliant on the overpriced fare within the ground itself, meaning the match goers and the town itself would miss out on the atmosphere would could never be replicated in a field surrounded by more fields. Lastly in this day and age where ideally we should be encouraging people to use their cars less, I do not see extra parking as a valid reason for a big move out of town. House_Royal (Meath) - Posts: 14 - 06/11/2017 21:00:29 2060871 Link 0 |
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I'm quoting from the report compiled by the Infrastructure Committee to the County Board in 2013, they decided moving was a non runner and I and plenty of others agree with that decision. So the clubs decided to pay for a planning application only?? So what do they think the redevelopment will just pay for itself?? What group would vote to pay for planning permission and not realise a cost for the actual development?? Look if you don't agree with the development fine but don't jump down the throats of those who differ from your opinion
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 06/11/2017 21:57:05 2060880 Link 10 |
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You would not build a house if you didn't look for planning.
Lonetone (Meath) - Posts: 10 - 06/11/2017 23:00:44 2060893 Link 0 |
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Clubs voted to proceed with the planning application process which included costing of the overall development which is not know until you design a stadium. Clubs then opposed this levy and the County Board agreed to cover the cost of the application (~300k) out of their own funding. Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 07/11/2017 09:43:43 2060930 Link 0 |
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Is that all 4 sides done up with covered areas or just the stand from different angles ?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 07/11/2017 11:27:25 2060956 Link 0 |
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The render on the Hogan Stand FB page shows the 4 stands complete. Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 07/11/2017 12:14:40 2060971 Link 0 |
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Seems to be a bit of a two tier arrangement going on too, a final capacity of 7000 in a new main stand is about right I think
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 07/11/2017 15:11:34 2061010 Link 9 |
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Has any timeline been set ? Initial phase, ? Second phase, completed date? I know these things often run over time, but any broad timeline?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 07/11/2017 17:30:21 2061042 Link 1 |
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House Royal. Why would you worry about how the site would be cleared for apartments. If it's sold its not our problem. You mentioned the railway. It hasn't carried a passenger in 70 year's so that's a non runner. You mention alternative transport than the car. What would that be even in Pairc Tailteann. You mention the roads. Well the retail park has easier access to all roads especially the motorway and N3. You mention the buzz in the town on match days apart from the pubs what other retail outlets benefit. Answer none. Finally clubs only voted to fund a planning application. What they thought would happen after that is irrelevant. They were not given any costing of the project but we're told the planning would be good for at least 10 years. By the way I'm not shouting anybody down I'm as much entitled to my opinion as anyone else. It's my undemocratic right. latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 325 - 07/11/2017 18:07:05 2061049 Link 0 |
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Very vague looking plans here. Everyone knows redevelopment is needed. The basic idea looks fine but this will be far from straightforward. At the moment, looks not much more than a Christmas wish. Meath clubs are going to have to be very good to make sure Santa delivers. winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 237 - 07/11/2017 20:27:01 2061081 Link 0 |
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Here's Shane Cassells weighing in, 22'000 all seater is the ultimate plan it seems Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 07/11/2017 21:21:59 2061091 Link 10 |
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Plan for it to be all seated? Am I the only one who likes standing on a terrace at football? Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 07/11/2017 21:41:54 2061094 Link 8 |
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No I agree, I don't mind a bit of standing, I'm pretty surprised we're looking to build 4 stands to be honest. I always presumed the plan would be to knock the old stand, replace it with a new one and fill in the other 3 sides with new concreted terraces (something similar to Tullamore). I think a stand at either side and concrete terraces at either end would be a great job but anyway let's wait and see what happens. There's a distinct possibility that the place could be closed down by H&S before any construction ever begins. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 07/11/2017 22:23:06 2061101 Link 8 |
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That's the problem, money is being spent every year just to keep the stand open and it's got to the stage where it's almost unrepairable and apparently the terrace doesn't tick too many H&S boxes either. Seems we can't afford not to redevelop.
Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 07/11/2017 23:23:11 2061107 Link 10 |
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Don't mention tullamoree if I never set foot in that place again it will be tooo soon
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 08/11/2017 07:41:54 2061125 Link 0 |
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Tullamore, still in shock. There is a lot of redemption needed
pretender (Meath) - Posts: 358 - 08/11/2017 09:14:11 2061137 Link 0 |
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Lads 4 stands is pie in the sky. Think about it 4K in seats for three quarters of a stand costing 10 million and 10 years to pay for it. Another 6 million which will be 8/9 in 10 years time to finish it and another half dozen or more years to pay for it. numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 347 - 08/11/2017 09:41:13 2061142 Link 0 |
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What in the name of God do we want with a 22,000 capacity stadium? Seems absolutely ludicrous. Surely something between 12 and 15k would be plenty, and would be cheaper.
BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 236 - 08/11/2017 09:57:45 2061145 Link 0 |