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Replying To Young_gael: "I don't have all the answers, and ill not pretend to be an expert; I don't attend as many club games as many others mostly due to work, and I wont name names because its none of my business, but Id have to think that in a county with dozens of clubs urban and rural alike, that there are men with the varied individual attributes required to bring the team on another step. What is on show at the moment, with the utmost of respect is of an upper mediocre standard. Ive made many posts where I was very complimentary of this team and I remain fond of them, pure work-rate has them where they are and this has been a red letter season. I believe this team's achievement will be appreciated in time. Im proud to have followed them this season and will continue to follow them in the future. However I also believe that in order to consolidate the position we find ourselves in for 2020, we will need a new goalkeeper, one (maybe 2) midfielders, and two or three new forwards. Just my own opinion. The lads who are there cant be faulted for work, and passion, and effort, and they all deserve our respect, but they're peaking at this level." Agree. Great core from the backline but drastic improvements in goals and forward line required. Some of the subs on panel appear far below required level also. Only Walsh and maybe McGovern with limited mins offered anything.
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Replying To nobull456: "Yes indeed it just proves we are on a learning curve . Definite progress this year for players and management.. I think it is fairly obvious what the key learning points are................ I would say
1 We lost to day because of lack of experience from our youngest players.in particular
2. We had to play players we know are not at the required standard because we have little options.
3. Players who could not commit for 2019 need to be called in for a chat to find out how they stand going forward.
I suggest players like Paddy o Rourke. Ronan Jones. Harry Rooney and 1 or 2 others be included here
Players have every right to take time out for various reasons because they are not professionals.
Management will no doubt have learned ,and may wish to change areas of approach if appropriate.
Well done to all concerned for their efforts in delivering progress this year. Hopefully we can find those players for next
year in order to progress further........A lot done...more to do !!" Paddy O Rourke jumped ship when the going got tough and has stated he didn't have the interest for inter county football and the level of commitment required so that's that's. Shouldn't be asked back in now that we've secured division 1 football next year and are seemingly on the improvement. Romantic Jones is in the states long term as far as I know some he's also not option. Not sure rooneys story
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "Off the top of my head
Paddy o Rourke (if panel accept)
Padraig McKeever
Ruari o'c
And hope Lenihan is back for the year
Speculatively Ronan Jones or conor Nash would be what the doctor ordered
We aren't looking for 10/12 players just 2-4 who can push us on. Most important is goalie." Think you fairly nailed it here, ruairi o'caoilean donal lenihan and mckeever would all help this meath team given how desperate we are in the forwards, paddy o'Rourke is a better option than colgan in goals I dont care what anyone says, and if Ronan Jones is available next year he'd compliment mento in midfield, there is not a whole lot I'd change in our full back and half back line
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The door should be closed on Paddy O'Rourke no harm to him.
Has everyone forgotten his derogatory interview where he said this: "If we're honest in Meath, we're not getting any closer to where we want to go. Winning Leinster again or challenging for an All-Ireland doesn't look realistic any time soon, and in fact it feels like it is farther away than ever. From 2011 to now, the commitment levels have gone through the roof but we have nothing to show for it."
A pathetic attitude and it would mark him out as an utter hypocrite if he came back.
No problem with a new GK coming in, but if they've made themselves unavailable because they don't like the manager then I've no interest in them.
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Replying To Young_gael: "I don't have all the answers, and ill not pretend to be an expert; I don't attend as many club games as many others mostly due to work, and I wont name names because its none of my business, but Id have to think that in a county with dozens of clubs urban and rural alike, that there are men with the varied individual attributes required to bring the team on another step. What is on show at the moment, with the utmost of respect is of an upper mediocre standard. Ive made many posts where I was very complimentary of this team and I remain fond of them, pure work-rate has them where they are and this has been a red letter season. I believe this team's achievement will be appreciated in time. Im proud to have followed them this season and will continue to follow them in the future. However I also believe that in order to consolidate the position we find ourselves in for 2020, we will need a new goalkeeper, one (maybe 2) midfielders, and two or three new forwards. Just my own opinion. The lads who are there cant be faulted for work, and passion, and effort, and they all deserve our respect, but they're peaking at this level." Young Gael - word for word I could not agree more.
Meath are playing to their capability. It is where they are. In order to play beyond the level we need to bolster goalkeeper/midfield/ 2 target men as score getters.
These are harsh lessons being on the end of two 9 point defeats in 7 days. Kerry will likely put up a large score in two weeks time in Navan.
Only way to move on by it is to be playing these teams regularly. 2020 will be enormous
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I don't think it's fair to call them mediocre. Defensive 6 are top class, Menton, Newman, are 2 great lads. Newman, Sullivan and Menton are good too. Need 2 real midfielders and then we wll be going places
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Meath v Kerry
I have just been told that this game is not in fact a dead rubber ,as Kerry will be trying to give us a proper beating
as score difference may become important in standings ! Is this correct ? I am really looking forward to seeing Kerry ,the real aristocrats of football playing in PT . I don't think the Kerry folk will travel ,but it's a great opportunity to see this team up close as I think they are the team best placed to dethrone our arch rivals dublin !
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Replying To Thejoeshow: "Off the top of my head
Paddy o Rourke (if panel accept)
Padraig McKeever
Ruari o'c
And hope Lenihan is back for the year
Speculatively Ronan Jones or conor Nash would be what the doctor ordered
We aren't looking for 10/12 players just 2-4 who can push us on. Most important is goalie." Ruairi O'Coilean is on the panel and has been for some time. The knowledge of some of the posters here is quite low.
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Replying To Meath4Sam2020: "Colgan has to be replaced and it's as simple as that, making the team look a lot worse due to his mistakes, was the cause today for 2-2 from poor kick outs and then that incident at the end" Very harsh on colgan . He played very well today . You are using him as a scapegoat for some terrible weak and leaderless outfield performances . Easy target in a mediocre team ! Get an adults permission before you post this
nonsence !
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Will Meaths performances this year and division 1 status entice more players to commit to the cause next year?
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Put Dardis back in goals, great technique kicking the ball.
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Replying To noluso: "Very harsh on colgan . He played very well today . You are using him as a scapegoat for some terrible weak and leaderless outfield performances . Easy target in a mediocre team ! Get an adults permission before you post this
nonsence !" The 2 goals came directly from Colgan errors. Played well?? Are you serious??
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 237 - 21/07/2019 19:52:06
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Replying To Barney123: "Ruairi O'Coilean is on the panel and has been for some time. The knowledge of some of the posters here is quite low." He should be starting meath seniors not juniors, anyone watching club football knows hes one of the best forwards in meath
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Replying To noluso: "Very harsh on colgan . He played very well today . You are using him as a scapegoat for some terrible weak and leaderless outfield performances . Easy target in a mediocre team ! Get an adults permission before you post this
nonsence !" What about the two goals?
Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 468 - 21/07/2019 20:03:01
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Replying To Barney123: "Ruairi O'Coilean is on the panel and has been for some time. The knowledge of some of the posters here is quite low." How many times was Ruari in the 26? Never said. It in panel but Andy to swallow pride and include him
Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 468 - 21/07/2019 20:03:47
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Replying To noluso: "Very harsh on colgan . He played very well today . You are using him as a scapegoat for some terrible weak and leaderless outfield performances . Easy target in a mediocre team ! Get an adults permission before you post this
nonsence !" Let's call a spade a shovel, Colgan did NOT play well.
His kick outs in the first half were decent, helped by the fact there was movement for him to aim at out the field.
However he reverted to type in the second half and a poor kick out caused the first goal, admittedly the guy fortunately dropping the ball took both Colgan and the defender out of the game by accident,
As regards the penalty incident, the goalkeeper is the one player on the pitch who absolutely MUST stay calm at all times, and what he done was ludicrous in the extreme.
No harm to the lad he clearly wants to be the Meath goalkeeper but equally clearly he's given it his best shot and come up short, there's never a problem failing when you have tried your hardest.
To suggest he had a good game today makes me think you have to be related to him.
Put it this way how many times had to he to try and save an effort on goal, answer is one, and the goal was scored.
Surely even you can see that does not suggest he played well.
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Replying To LoyalRoyal: "Am I right that Graham Reilly isn't even on the bench? Saw a line up online without him included." Injured during the week.
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Replying To redser123: "He should be starting meath seniors not juniors, anyone watching club football knows hes one of the best forwards in meath" Has been plagued with injuries since joining the senior panel this year. This is well known. He is actually injured again, not sure whether it happened in junior Leinster final or in training after it.
Didn't play any football last year and played a couple of league games this year.
Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 21/07/2019 20:29:01
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Replying To GlasgowRoyal: "The door should be closed on Paddy O'Rourke no harm to him.
Has everyone forgotten his derogatory interview where he said this: "If we're honest in Meath, we're not getting any closer to where we want to go. Winning Leinster again or challenging for an All-Ireland doesn't look realistic any time soon, and in fact it feels like it is farther away than ever. From 2011 to now, the commitment levels have gone through the roof but we have nothing to show for it."
A pathetic attitude and it would mark him out as an utter hypocrite if he came back.
No problem with a new GK coming in, but if they've made themselves unavailable because they don't like the manager then I've no interest in them." Absolutely. And young beakley is our future keeper so let's get him in next year.
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It is interesting that since this Dublin team has arrived on the scene and handed some heavy beatings to teams, there seems to be an acceptance that a loss of 8, 9 or 10 points to any team is not a major issue.
To me, losing any match by 9 points is at least a heavy beating if not a hammering.
We have lost our two games by 9 points and whilst we can take some positives out of the performances, the magnitude of these defeats show how far we are behind Division 1 teams.
I am sure the games will have been useful if only to show the players the level of improvement still needed and I hope that next year we will see the benefit.
Going forward, the Goalie has to go simple. He doesn't look like a goalie and is so far behind the standard that it is really questionable how he has lasted this long.
If Paddy O'Rourke would improve the position and add something positive to the improvement we need then he needs to be brought back. It doesn't need the ok from other players, it needs someone to make a decision if he is needed and would he improve the team and if so take the required action.
Lastly I think the so called Super 8 format has to be looked at. I know the last game is not a dead rubber for Kerry but it is for Meath and really we should not be in a position that a championship game in August has no meaning for one of the participants.
I know there will be calls for people to attend and that there's no such thing as a nothing game, but honestly I have no interest in going to see a game where it means nothing to one team. I would like to see Kerry again in the flesh but not in these circumstances.
ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 178 - 21/07/2019 20:31:22
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