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Replying To royaldunne: "Actually the well said was the condescending approach (that you portrayed again) to anyone who thinks and hopes Meath will win. NOTHING to do with Dunboyne, so get the chip off ur shoulders, furthermore two of the most vocal supporters of Meath on here are from Dunboyne, furlong and if I'm right htaem too. So less of it, I have nothing against Dunboyne, and we're delighted with their win last year. Get ur facts straight, instead of jumping on something, and don't go to match either please, as you probably be cringing if we did win." Again get your facts straight. Im the dunboyne man out of the 2 of us and the dunboyne jibe didn't bother me 1 bit.
Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 15/06/2019 21:57:31
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Replying To Aloblack: "Well firstly i have no issue with your dunboyne comment. Its the norm for us when up against any club the far side of navan. The clubs up around north mean who are basically Cavan people are usually the main culprits so its water off a ducks back at this stage. Secondly so your having a go at me for slagging off anyone who expresses a positive opinion . Fair enough maybe i am slagging them off. But exactly the same way your slagging me off for expressing my opinion just because you don't agree with it. Pretty hypocritical really. The difference between me and you is that i call it as i see it and unfortunately i see that we have zero chance next Sunday . Im not just gonna agree with people for the sake of it. If i agree ill say it. Like earlier when i 100% agreed with royaldunne about starting conlon. We very rarely agree but on that occasion he was spot on. Classic liberal lefty nonsense out of u. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as its the same as yours and if its not we'll shout them down. As for the uncle tom comment. Ridiculous. It just so happens to be Dublin we've no chance against its got nothing to do with them being the GAAs golden boys as to why im saying it. Its because there a million miles better than us at the moment. If it was any other county who were a million miles better than us id be saying it too. Im giving my opinion. If u don't like it ignore it." Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.
I'm definitely not a liberal lefty though!
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 15/06/2019 23:31:55
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Replying To royaldunne: "Now log in and out and red thumb my response. And you have the audacity to call anyone childish alo" I've never red thumbed anyone in my time on here cause everyone is entitled to their opinion, bar us really bold meath fans obviously, that altho are hopeful, think next Sunday isn't going to go to well come the finish.
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 16/06/2019 07:47:02
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Replying To southmeathgael: "I've never red thumbed anyone in my time on here cause everyone is entitled to their opinion, bar us really bold meath fans obviously, that altho are hopeful, think next Sunday isn't going to go to well come the finish." It might not. But one things for sure I won't be giving up until the final whistle.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 16/06/2019 09:56:25
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Who going to do the same role as John Small block runners coming through ? Or is he only allowed do that ?
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 16/06/2019 10:53:34
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Replying To royaldunne: "Can't not start Conlon imo. If nothing more his runs will free up Newman, he is the only player that Dublin seem genuinely worried about. So yeah start him, definitely. It's all or nothing" how do you know who Dublin are/aren't worried about ?
you go on like this "In The Know" character on here. Nobody knows anything about what the Dublin management feel outside of the camp cause nothing gets out.
You have told this fantasy story about how some fella in the stand in PL was raving about James Conlon v Carlow
And you expect us to take your word on that ?
Have a day off dude! You chat absolute guff, nothing you say can be taken seriously.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13574 - 16/06/2019 13:58:49
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "Who going to do the same role as John Small block runners coming through ? Or is he only allowed do that ?" Some on here would probably tell you to get back in your box, daring to try and do what the majestic dubs do. Don't their rain on their parade
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 16/06/2019 15:12:09
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Replying To waynoI: "how do you know who Dublin are/aren't worried about ?
you go on like this "In The Know" character on here. Nobody knows anything about what the Dublin management feel outside of the camp cause nothing gets out.
You have told this fantasy story about how some fella in the stand in PL was raving about James Conlon v Carlow
And you expect us to take your word on that ?
Have a day off dude! You chat absolute guff, nothing you say can be taken seriously." is that not just one of the reason why Dublin are a good team that they can identify areas of a opposition that might trouble or worry them...Thing i like about Jim Gavin he treats every team with the same kind of respect be it london or kerry.You could learn a lot from Jim Gavin and drop the Conor McGregor attitude !
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 16/06/2019 15:29:16
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Our last championship game against Dublin was back in the 2014 Leinster final where Meath were swept aside by a relentless Dublin outfit who put up 3-20 against our feeble 1-10. That year, Dublin played the most attacking style of football ever seen under Jim Gavin. Meath had not the personnel, system, nor the capacity to withstand such an onslaught and so found themselves on the other side of a mauling.
Since then, Dublin have won 4 more All Ireland's and play a slightly less attacking style to what we saw in 2014. They have found the right balance between attack and defense and notably do not blow teams out the water in the same manner they once did. In saying that, they rack up serious numbers over the course of the game. It seems to me that their consistent intensity for the duration of the game eventually wears teams down which inevitably leads to such a massive gap on the final scoreline. They have quality all over the field which combine skill, power, athleticism and serious strength in depth. They are well worth their dominance and have our utmost respect.
Dublin team 2014 Leinster Final
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Philly McMahon
3. Rory O'Carroll
21. Michael Fitzsimons
5. James McCarthy
6. Nicky Devereux
19. Jack McCaffrey
8. Michael Darragh Macauley
9. Cian O'Sullivan
10. Paul Flynn
11. Alan Brogan
12. Diarmuid Connolly
13. Kevin McManamon
20. Paul Mannion
15. Bernard Brogan
Meath team 2014 Leinster Final
1. Paddy O'Rourke
2. Eoghan Harrington
3. Kevin Reilly
4. Bryan Menton
5. Padraic Harnan
6. Donal Keogan
7. Donncha Tobin
13. Graham Reilly
9. Shane O'Rourke
10. Damien Carroll
11. Brian McMahon
12. Andrew Tormey
20. Dalton McDonagh
14. Stephen Bray
15. Mickey Newman
6 survivors for Meath, Bryan Menton, Padraic Harnan, Donal Keogan, Graham Reilly, Brian McMahon, Mickey Newman.
11 survivors for Dublin, Stephen Cluxton, Philly McMahon, Rory O'Carroll, Michael Fitzsimons, James McCarthy, Jack McCaffrey, Michael Darragh Macauley, Cian O'Sullivan, Kevin McManamon, Paul Mannion and Bernard Brogan.
This is Andy McEntee's first crack at Dublin in the championship. He has led Meath to division 1 football and supporters are optimistic with the progress being made. We now find ourselves in a Leinster final in a one off championship game against the best team in the country. This new-look Meath team are largely untested at the highest level and so have no basis for bold claims of troubling this Dublin team. As a Meath supporter, I am hoping that Meath can match Dublin's intensity and keep fighting whatever the scoreline. I would like to see Meath giving Dublin a reason to take them seriously and give them a fight they didn't expect. I don't expect us to win but it'd be nice to be pleasantly surprised!
RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 788 - 16/06/2019 15:55:41
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Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "is that not just one of the reason why Dublin are a good team that they can identify areas of a opposition that might trouble or worry them...Thing i like about Jim Gavin he treats every team with the same kind of respect be it london or kerry.You could learn a lot from Jim Gavin and drop the Conor McGregor attitude !" What are you even talking about ?
Im talking about RD thinking he is a guy with inside knowledge of everything, even the Dublin camp. Nobody on this forum from anywhere knows whats going on in the Dublin camp or can say Dublin genuinely fear anyone. Therefore everything out of RD's mouth is nonsense, like almost every single one of the points he makes. Lives in a fantasy world.
Of course Jim Gavin wont be taking Meath lightly, where did I say he would?
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13574 - 16/06/2019 16:20:42
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Replying To RoyalClass: "Our last championship game against Dublin was back in the 2014 Leinster final where Meath were swept aside by a relentless Dublin outfit who put up 3-20 against our feeble 1-10. That year, Dublin played the most attacking style of football ever seen under Jim Gavin. Meath had not the personnel, system, nor the capacity to withstand such an onslaught and so found themselves on the other side of a mauling.
Since then, Dublin have won 4 more All Ireland's and play a slightly less attacking style to what we saw in 2014. They have found the right balance between attack and defense and notably do not blow teams out the water in the same manner they once did. In saying that, they rack up serious numbers over the course of the game. It seems to me that their consistent intensity for the duration of the game eventually wears teams down which inevitably leads to such a massive gap on the final scoreline. They have quality all over the field which combine skill, power, athleticism and serious strength in depth. They are well worth their dominance and have our utmost respect.
Dublin team 2014 Leinster Final
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Philly McMahon
3. Rory O'Carroll
21. Michael Fitzsimons
5. James McCarthy
6. Nicky Devereux
19. Jack McCaffrey
8. Michael Darragh Macauley
9. Cian O'Sullivan
10. Paul Flynn
11. Alan Brogan
12. Diarmuid Connolly
13. Kevin McManamon
20. Paul Mannion
15. Bernard Brogan
Meath team 2014 Leinster Final
1. Paddy O'Rourke
2. Eoghan Harrington
3. Kevin Reilly
4. Bryan Menton
5. Padraic Harnan
6. Donal Keogan
7. Donncha Tobin
13. Graham Reilly
9. Shane O'Rourke
10. Damien Carroll
11. Brian McMahon
12. Andrew Tormey
20. Dalton McDonagh
14. Stephen Bray
15. Mickey Newman
6 survivors for Meath, Bryan Menton, Padraic Harnan, Donal Keogan, Graham Reilly, Brian McMahon, Mickey Newman.
11 survivors for Dublin, Stephen Cluxton, Philly McMahon, Rory O'Carroll, Michael Fitzsimons, James McCarthy, Jack McCaffrey, Michael Darragh Macauley, Cian O'Sullivan, Kevin McManamon, Paul Mannion and Bernard Brogan.
This is Andy McEntee's first crack at Dublin in the championship. He has led Meath to division 1 football and supporters are optimistic with the progress being made. We now find ourselves in a Leinster final in a one off championship game against the best team in the country. This new-look Meath team are largely untested at the highest level and so have no basis for bold claims of troubling this Dublin team. As a Meath supporter, I am hoping that Meath can match Dublin's intensity and keep fighting whatever the scoreline. I would like to see Meath giving Dublin a reason to take them seriously and give them a fight they didn't expect. I don't expect us to win but it'd be nice to be pleasantly surprised!" we beat you in the 2016 championship too.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13574 - 16/06/2019 16:31:23
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Replying To waynoI: "What are you even talking about ?
Im talking about RD thinking he is a guy with inside knowledge of everything, even the Dublin camp. Nobody on this forum from anywhere knows whats going on in the Dublin camp or can say Dublin genuinely fear anyone. Therefore everything out of RD's mouth is nonsense, like almost every single one of the points he makes. Lives in a fantasy world.
Of course Jim Gavin wont be taking Meath lightly, where did I say he would?" He just a Fan..he doesn't give two boilded sh*tes what anyone thinks or says about him...it amazes me how up tight people get about stuff he says on here, you are chasing unicorns if you think you're going to change that RD lad wayno....but he is harmless he is not going to fly a airplane into hill 16 .....well I hope he doesn't :)
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 16/06/2019 16:39:28
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Meath must absorb the lessons from teams who have competed well with Dublin in recent times. Dropping into a hastily organized make shift zonal defense, that we only have maybe 2 weeks to implement is most likely not going to have any effect in slowing down this Dublin side. We should place confidence in our defenders and go man to man as Mayo have done in the past. We need to carry a threat in attack, which can only be done by leaving men in advanced positions and maybe trying something innovative. There is a perceived weakness in the Dublin full back line, so maybe implementing a quick high ball strategy could cause some issues. Adam Flanagan could maybe take on the full forward role as he is the only man we have with the size to unsettle the Dublin full backs in this type of scenario. Although we will miss his considerable influence around the middle sector of the field. I hope to see meath showing confidence in the player's and putting pressure on Dublin's goalkeeper and full back and where possible trying to engineer some goal opportunities.
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Replying To waynoI: " Replying To RoyalClass: "Our last championship game against Dublin was back in the 2014 Leinster final where Meath were swept aside by a relentless Dublin outfit who put up 3-20 against our feeble 1-10. That year, Dublin played the most attacking style of football ever seen under Jim Gavin. Meath had not the personnel, system, nor the capacity to withstand such an onslaught and so found themselves on the other side of a mauling.
Since then, Dublin have won 4 more All Ireland's and play a slightly less attacking style to what we saw in 2014. They have found the right balance between attack and defense and notably do not blow teams out the water in the same manner they once did. In saying that, they rack up serious numbers over the course of the game. It seems to me that their consistent intensity for the duration of the game eventually wears teams down which inevitably leads to such a massive gap on the final scoreline. They have quality all over the field which combine skill, power, athleticism and serious strength in depth. They are well worth their dominance and have our utmost respect.
Dublin team 2014 Leinster Final
1. Stephen Cluxton
2. Philly McMahon
3. Rory O'Carroll
21. Michael Fitzsimons
5. James McCarthy
6. Nicky Devereux
19. Jack McCaffrey
8. Michael Darragh Macauley
9. Cian O'Sullivan
10. Paul Flynn
11. Alan Brogan
12. Diarmuid Connolly
13. Kevin McManamon
20. Paul Mannion
15. Bernard Brogan
Meath team 2014 Leinster Final
1. Paddy O'Rourke
2. Eoghan Harrington
3. Kevin Reilly
4. Bryan Menton
5. Padraic Harnan
6. Donal Keogan
7. Donncha Tobin
13. Graham Reilly
9. Shane O'Rourke
10. Damien Carroll
11. Brian McMahon
12. Andrew Tormey
20. Dalton McDonagh
14. Stephen Bray
15. Mickey Newman
6 survivors for Meath, Bryan Menton, Padraic Harnan, Donal Keogan, Graham Reilly, Brian McMahon, Mickey Newman.
11 survivors for Dublin, Stephen Cluxton, Philly McMahon, Rory O'Carroll, Michael Fitzsimons, James McCarthy, Jack McCaffrey, Michael Darragh Macauley, Cian O'Sullivan, Kevin McManamon, Paul Mannion and Bernard Brogan.
This is Andy McEntee's first crack at Dublin in the championship. He has led Meath to division 1 football and supporters are optimistic with the progress being made. We now find ourselves in a Leinster final in a one off championship game against the best team in the country. This new-look Meath team are largely untested at the highest level and so have no basis for bold claims of troubling this Dublin team. As a Meath supporter, I am hoping that Meath can match Dublin's intensity and keep fighting whatever the scoreline. I would like to see Meath giving Dublin a reason to take them seriously and give them a fight they didn't expect. I don't expect us to win but it'd be nice to be pleasantly surprised!" we beat you in the 2016 championship too."
Its still McEntee's first encounter with Dublin so it will be interesting to see how his approach differs from O'Dowd. I hope for a better challenge from this Meath team than that day.
RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 788 - 16/06/2019 17:11:34
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Replying To Evernal: "Meath must absorb the lessons from teams who have competed well with Dublin in recent times. Dropping into a hastily organized make shift zonal defense, that we only have maybe 2 weeks to implement is most likely not going to have any effect in slowing down this Dublin side. We should place confidence in our defenders and go man to man as Mayo have done in the past. We need to carry a threat in attack, which can only be done by leaving men in advanced positions and maybe trying something innovative. There is a perceived weakness in the Dublin full back line, so maybe implementing a quick high ball strategy could cause some issues. Adam Flanagan could maybe take on the full forward role as he is the only man we have with the size to unsettle the Dublin full backs in this type of scenario. Although we will miss his considerable influence around the middle sector of the field. I hope to see meath showing confidence in the player's and putting pressure on Dublin's goalkeeper and full back and where possible trying to engineer some goal opportunities." I don't believe in throwing in any player at full forward just because of their height advantage. You have to have some experience and understanding of the position in order to play there. We tried the same with Paddy O'Rourke a few years before and it never worked out. Newman is a good target man inside so he's an option.
We tried going defensive in 2016 and it was pointless. You're right about the Mayo approach and so Meath should just go for it with what they have.
RoyalClass (Meath) - Posts: 788 - 16/06/2019 17:20:39
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "Good Darts :) nice story.
I remember Anthony Moyles and Johnny Doyle , too guys I respect, talking on a podacast a few years ago and they where both in totally agreement that teams are beat long before they take the field against Dublin. And teams need to go in to game believing they can win. IMO Your going to need alot more than belief but I guess its a start." 2 excellent players alright, well worth listening to. Psychology is huge in sport no doubt, upsets are only possible because lesser players/teams believe they can get the job done. Now I know you need more than just belief, no amount of belief will get you across the line if you don't have enough talent to do damage to your opposition.
But if you concede to your opponent before the contest begins then you'll lose, no other outcome is possible.
Anyway look I'm not blind to the challenge we face against Dublin, they're one of the greatest football teams ever to play the game and we're still in the process of trying to re-establish ourselves as a force. Dublin are 12 point favourites, many believe that they will beat us by even more than that and sadly this could very well happen.
But personally I've always been a firm believer in having belief, why the hell not. Positivity beats negativity every day of the week and always will.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 16/06/2019 20:18:46
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As someone alluded to, this Dublin team is not as scary on paper these days. Our young forwards have the potential to be as good as what went before so they need to deliver and they know this.
So that's where this side gets its hunger from, the constant drip feeding of young talent over the seasons.
They're there to be got at this year, and they will either be caught or they will be part of something very big. I'm settling in for a white-knuckle ride!
On the favoured physical approach a lot of you seem to favour? If I were Meath, I'd concentrate on working a score if I were you.
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Replying To Evernal: "Meath must absorb the lessons from teams who have competed well with Dublin in recent times. Dropping into a hastily organized make shift zonal defense, that we only have maybe 2 weeks to implement is most likely not going to have any effect in slowing down this Dublin side. We should place confidence in our defenders and go man to man as Mayo have done in the past. We need to carry a threat in attack, which can only be done by leaving men in advanced positions and maybe trying something innovative. There is a perceived weakness in the Dublin full back line, so maybe implementing a quick high ball strategy could cause some issues. Adam Flanagan could maybe take on the full forward role as he is the only man we have with the size to unsettle the Dublin full backs in this type of scenario. Although we will miss his considerable influence around the middle sector of the field. I hope to see meath showing confidence in the player's and putting pressure on Dublin's goalkeeper and full back and where possible trying to engineer some goal opportunities." Ah lads. Honestly I'm trying my very best not to be negative and not to ridicule other lads opinions and suggestions. But its not helped when lads are coming on suggesting playing Adam Flanagan in full forward because he's big. This isn't Junior C Championship we're playing lads. Good God.. as far as im aware he's never played there even for his club and now you want to consider playing in full forward in the Leinster Final v the best team in the country.
Aloblack (Meath) - Posts: 265 - 16/06/2019 22:09:02
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Replying To Aloblack: "Ah lads. Honestly I'm trying my very best not to be negative and not to ridicule other lads opinions and suggestions. But its not helped when lads are coming on suggesting playing Adam Flanagan in full forward because he's big. This isn't Junior C Championship we're playing lads. Good God.. as far as im aware he's never played there even for his club and now you want to consider playing in full forward in the Leinster Final v the best team in the country." Yeah got a laugh out of that one too. Adam Flanagan full forward???? Look he is a nice decent footballer but come on... please stop! Don't get me wrong I like him but his flaws outweight his strengths, the better the opposition. Maybe I'm wrong, lets hope I am.
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I think we have a decent chance. If I had to bet my house on the outcome; sure, I think Dublin are more likely. But if we could get 2+ goals ourselves and stop the dubs from scoring one themselves, you never know. If Mayo can continually put it up to them why shouldn't we be able to.
The longer a team's winning streak goes on, the closer they are to it finally being broken!
cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 16/06/2019 23:00:50
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