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It's easy to look back and go to town criticising O'Dowd and the management and players of his era. I think he did his best at the time, and did it all in good faith. It was a different time, massively different to how things have turned out in the last 2/3 years on an All-Ireland level. Amazing how things change. I would however call him out on his clearing out of the Eamon O'Brien and "Banty" Meath team, sweeping the rug up from under perennial, proven competitors like Sheridan, Ward, Bray etc and bringing in far too many younger lads too quickly who just couldn't cut the fat. In hindsight it was a disastrous decision and led to the mentally questionable, physically questionable team of the last few years. Therein was the genesis of the selection disaster of the last 4/5 years which McEntee inherited and has done as much as he can with what's available and with who wants to be available. The amount of lads opting out is staggering, and its also understandable. It is a factor in Meath football in the McEntee era that he inherited from O'Dowd, no doubt about that. In saying that, all things considered he has done a good job organising this side to get to Division 1 and a Leinster Final this season. Its a team that has had success based on the strength of the team workrate and effort and not on the talent of individuals within the team, that much is crystal clear to me after the Leinster final.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 391 - 24/06/2019 18:08:50    2200112

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Paddy doesn't want to commit and I suspect the reason being he doesn't believe they will beat Dublin again in his career. And if you can't beat Dublin you have to provincial honors to play for. You have to respect the man's decision and appreciate he still fully commits to his club. So he hasn't turned his back on the GAA.

As a meath supporter the notion we will beat Dublin in Leinster over the next 10 years doesn't cross my mind. For me the best I hope for is winning a league title or making an all Ireland semi final and winning it. We're a long way off that but last year Tyrone and Monaghan contested one semi final in a 50/50 game. I dream of the day we can be in a fixture like that again.

Unfortunately we can't face the winner of Laois/Offaly. Maybe we'll get lucky and get the winner of Westmeath/Clare but chances are it will be Mayo and I suspect Kildare. No matter who it is it will make my year as a Meath supporter if we can win this match and get another 3 matches against top opposition. That's the prep we need before playing in Division 1 next year. Hosting a top team in a packed out Navan would be a proud day."
wrong we can face the winners of Laois offaly

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 24/06/2019 18:36:50    2200142

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yes look where O'Dowd had us. We now in division one. And had one bad extremely bad game against the greatest team of all time. Thank god for Andy rescued us from the abyss"
I agree with you

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 24/06/2019 18:37:39    2200143

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Replying To summerof09:  "I don't how many times his name has been mentioned in conversation on these boards. He's a classy player but maybe it's a case of him not wanting to play for the county? He was a Meath minor before Shane O'Rourke' good team (2005?) so he's pushing on as well."
Not asked 30 years old dedicated player with honest attitude small in stature but that's what we have at minute in our full forward line. So please tell me in any other county the man would b at least brought in for training challenge etc.scoring for fun it's mind boggling stuff to to b honest not surprised.we played dublin like we played Longford last year.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 24/06/2019 18:47:58    2200150

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Replying To Loyalroyal17:  "Yea i think the faith is there Reco, we get the forwards to an A1 level, we are going to be a very strong team, once we can produce scores on the board that is. We have the making on a superb team when those forwards are sorted....Backs were magnificent, you couldnt fault them yesterday. That replay is going to be watched til its worn out..i hope..."
Dearly hope ur right
Few players looked out there depth there yesterday

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 24/06/2019 18:54:14    2200154

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Positive news today with the qualifier draw. The 4 best teams drawing each other. This is huge.

Kildare vs Tyrone
Mayo vs Armagh
Westmeath vs Clare
Offaly vs Laois

We have a 50/50 chance of getting the winners of
Westmeath vs Clare
Offaly vs Laois

I'll be up on the hill of Tara praying when next Mondays draw is made. I wouldn't write off Armagh or Kildare either who we shouldn't fear.

I know we are in a dark place now but look at the positives. We have a great chance of making the Super 8's."
Do we really need to make the super 8 and be embarrassed again ? I thought Dublin were poor enough yesterday but to see our effort was quite incredibly poor . Our club championship is suspended until this escapade is over and perhaps this is contributing to our fall from grace in football
Standings .County managers have too much say and
I thought that Andy gave an honest comment is saying he did not know where we go from here .
The lads were overawed yesterday BEFORE the
Match , and that's the managers job to sort . However if Gramah REILLY was up to this level at this stage he would have played more than a bit part for the last few seasons .
Talk of super 8 is over the top and we need to face
Reality

noluso (Meath) - Posts: 151 - 24/06/2019 19:09:33    2200163

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Replying To Ashrules:  "Yes look where O'Dowd had us. We now in division one. And had one bad extremely bad game against the greatest team of all time. Thank god for Andy rescued us from the abyss
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 15373 - 24/06/2019 16:21:31

This is very inaccurate. Criticising O dowd without basis. Meath got a good championship run under him, Were unfortunate not to go further , Had Tyrone beat only for blatant cheating and local referee decisions. Also were denied Div 2 win by bad luck.
You must be a very spiteful man"
Its the standard excuse everytime Meath have an off day.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 24/06/2019 19:12:11    2200166

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Is that true? As Offaly played us in the preliminary round can't they get us again?"
Thought round 4 was an open draw. Past meetings do not matter?

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 24/06/2019 19:15:18    2200169

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Replying To Young_gael:  "It's easy to look back and go to town criticising O'Dowd and the management and players of his era. I think he did his best at the time, and did it all in good faith. It was a different time, massively different to how things have turned out in the last 2/3 years on an All-Ireland level. Amazing how things change. I would however call him out on his clearing out of the Eamon O'Brien and "Banty" Meath team, sweeping the rug up from under perennial, proven competitors like Sheridan, Ward, Bray etc and bringing in far too many younger lads too quickly who just couldn't cut the fat. In hindsight it was a disastrous decision and led to the mentally questionable, physically questionable team of the last few years. Therein was the genesis of the selection disaster of the last 4/5 years which McEntee inherited and has done as much as he can with what's available and with who wants to be available. The amount of lads opting out is staggering, and its also understandable. It is a factor in Meath football in the McEntee era that he inherited from O'Dowd, no doubt about that. In saying that, all things considered he has done a good job organising this side to get to Division 1 and a Leinster Final this season. Its a team that has had success based on the strength of the team workrate and effort and not on the talent of individuals within the team, that much is crystal clear to me after the Leinster final."
You see we can agree. I actually think you hit nail on the head re what went wrong in year one of mod, too much change and no experience left to gel the younger lads into team. .
That been said we are where we are. One game away from every goal achieved this year.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 24/06/2019 19:26:07    2200175

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Replying To meath1977:  "I agree with you"
Yeah had to ask that earlier myself. We can play the winners of Laois v Offaly as there is no off limits game , it's a open draw.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 24/06/2019 19:29:55    2200178

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FFS ...20 years from now lads will still be going on about o'dowd being the reason for losing.

Give the man a break!

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1668 - 24/06/2019 19:29:55    2200179

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Taken from the GAA Offical Guide Part One Effective from March 2019
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/wyb4qbqzii6vstod1ygg.pdf


Round 4 -Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 3. Subject to the avoidance of Repeat Pairings where feasible, a Draw shall be made to determine the four pairings.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 24/06/2019 19:33:40    2200183

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Replying To Madog:  "Does anyone else think that McEntee's persistent comment of 'The result wont define our season' set the tone for the game ? He's admitting before the game that we won't beat Dublin."
No .... and frankly thats a ridiculous comment

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 24/06/2019 19:41:36    2200191

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Replying To gwanyagudthing:  "We can't draw Offaly/Laois as we have already played them which means there is a 66% chance of drawing one of Kildare/Tyrone/Mayo/Armagh which will be a tough draw in a neutral venue. Not trying to be negative but to get to the super 8s, chances are that we'll have to do it the hard way."
wrong that rule is gone two years of can draw Laois or offaly

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 24/06/2019 19:42:03    2200192

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Replying To Aloblack:  "We need him for in the goals. Thats it. Got his chance outfield and couldn't cut it at inter county level. Goes into the book of very very very good Club Players who couldn't make the step up!"
I agree with ya, two to many verys tho. Jesus there is some clowns on here, paddy Orourke is the answer now?? Jesus wept

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 24/06/2019 19:45:12    2200194

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Replying To Talking_Sense:  "Agree , these 3 lads are better than what is playing for sure. Imagine firing in high ball to o Rourke at 6ft 7 Instead of 5ft 6. But it's either they don't want to play for Meath or they don't want to play for McEntee."
Agree. These lads are top class. Questions must be asked ?

Jackpot (Meath) - Posts: 199 - 24/06/2019 19:46:10    2200195

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Replying To seadog54:  "Taken from the GAA Offical Guide Part One Effective from March 2019
https://www.gaa.ie/api/pdfs/image/upload/wyb4qbqzii6vstod1ygg.pdf


Round 4 -Each of the four defeated Provincial Finalists shall play against one of the four winners from Round 3. Subject to the avoidance of Repeat Pairings where feasible, a Draw shall be made to determine the four pairings."
That settles that then. So unfortunately we can't face the winners of Laois/Offaly. I'll be praying for the winner of Westmeath and Clare. Neither would be easy but I'd take them over the other four.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 24/06/2019 20:05:38    2200216

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "That settles that then. So unfortunately we can't face the winners of Laois/Offaly. I'll be praying for the winner of Westmeath and Clare. Neither would be easy but I'd take them over the other four."
I just know we're going to draw Tyrone :(

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 306 - 24/06/2019 20:45:09    2200255

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah had to ask that earlier myself. We can play the winners of Laois v Offaly as there is no off limits game , it's a open draw."
Looks like ypu were wrong, not for first time

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 24/06/2019 20:46:03    2200256

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "That settles that then. So unfortunately we can't face the winners of Laois/Offaly. I'll be praying for the winner of Westmeath and Clare. Neither would be easy but I'd take them over the other four."
what are you on about we can play offaly and Laois that was a old rule they changed last year

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 24/06/2019 20:57:25    2200266

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