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Replying To 82300:  "was born in Stamullen Co Meath though reared in Balbriggan"
Never knew he was born in stamullen.ah we wont hold that against him :)

This is a worth a watch especially tactics bit from Nally. Its really interesting especially how clever Dublin are on kick outs trying to force the keeper to kick to a certain player then surround him and take it off him. Also Tyones clever move to bunch up and isolate one player then run at the ref to use him a shield as they win the kick out. It will make more sense after watching it.
But someone are saying what can we do different ? This video shows people try new things all the time. Nally will know exactly what Dublin do, whether him and Mc Entee come up with a plan is other thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bLGTo94vpg

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 20/06/2019 16:02:25    2198024

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Replying To waynoI:  "We will see..."
Will you join in congratulating your 3 club men should we win on Sunday? Great achievement following in the footsteps of Flynn and O'Malley.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 20/06/2019 18:51:02    2198082

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I see on the main forum Kevin Ross is in corner forwards for junior game. Got to say during last years obc he impressed me but faded during league, hopefully he can regain senior next year. Anyone else we should look out for on Sunday???

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 20/06/2019 18:56:11    2198083

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Replying To gwanyagudthing:  "The closer it gets to Sunday, the more optimistic I'm getting. There is no pressure on Meath - league promotion under their belts and another shot at the super 8s no matter what happens. All the talk is of how much they will get beaten by. It's a win - win situation or as Andy Mac has been saying "a free shot". Dublin on the other hand are on the drive for 5 and anything less than a handsome win will be regarded as regression. Don't tell me that the Dublin players are not privately thinking about when the run in Leinster will end and the fact that they are always just one match away from it. Meath have never been bigger odds to win a game of football which makes no sense when you think of the progress we've made in the last couple of years. And you know what? I really don't care if i'm completely wrong because for the first time in a long time everything is on the up - we're in Div 1 next year and we'll have a stronger panel at our disposal. Others might say I'm being unrealistic but i just call it optimism and its the vibe i'm getting from the management and players - they're in the right frame of mind to give it a lash."
Totally delusional my god

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1357 - 20/06/2019 19:29:34    2198097

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Replying To waynoI:  "1) no issues with you being optimistic. Good on ya. Of course there is no pressure on Meath. I don't agree its win win though, get an absolute drubbing and I wouldn't be so sure your players will recover mentally from that to play potentially Monaghan/Tyrone/Mayo, a decent calibre of team basically, could be wrong though, we will see should that play out how Meath react.

2) With respect If you, as a Meath man, are hoping Dublin, a team who are serial winners, Who have had the bottle and the experience to win every close championship game they've played in recent memory including the biggest of games, all Ireland finals, will feel a bit of pressure about a loss coming either this year or next in a competition weve won 13 years out of 14, then youre seriously, seriously clutching at straws

3) There is a reason why Meath have never been bigger odds to win a game of football and it makes total sense. If Dublin start the game the same as they did v Kildare with maybe rock coming in, they'll start with 180 medals (all Irelands, Leinsters, allianz leagues) between them, The Meath team will likely have zero. Dublin have beaten every opponent in the province and beaten the handicap which this weekend is -12, over the past 3 or 4 years, all by double figures. Dublin are going for 5 all Irelands in a row, Meanwhile Meath haven't played a D1 team in Croke Pk in the championship since, 2016, when Dublin beat them by 10 pts. The bookies are neutral, They aren't interested in supporting one team or the other, and they don't give Meath much hope, most of the country don't give Meath much hope and the reasons behind why are completely logical."
1) Last year we lost to Longford and then should have beaten Tyrone in Navan, Kildare beat us out the gate in 2017 and afterwards we should have beaten Donegal, as McEntee had said whatever happens Sunday will not define our year and at any rate I would question whether Monaghan/Mayo/Tyrone are of the quality you refer to right now I wouldn't fear any of those teams irregardless of what happens Sunday.

2) Dublin have bottle and experience, they also have luck, Kerry and Mayo twice lost All Ireland's more than Dublin won them and that's a fact most Dublin supporters accept, not that there is anything wrong with a bit of luck, all teams need it, but it wasn't bottle and experience alone that has gotten Dublin this far

3) The past is irrelevant, what you have won in years gone by doesn't ensure you will win again in 2019, in fact given that amount of success and that amount of football you could make the argument that despite all of Jim Gavin's good management skills complacency could set in, let no one tell me that any Dublin players expect anything but to win Sunday and win well, you can say all you want on radio and in front of a camera or to a newspaper but every one of those Dublin players expect to wipe the floor with Meath as they done in 2014 and 2016 with little effort exhausted, in their minds this is just an irritating step on the road to history and whilst they will never admit and and neither will you it is a fact.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 20/06/2019 19:45:09    2198102

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Replying To Richieq:  "1) Last year we lost to Longford and then should have beaten Tyrone in Navan, Kildare beat us out the gate in 2017 and afterwards we should have beaten Donegal, as McEntee had said whatever happens Sunday will not define our year and at any rate I would question whether Monaghan/Mayo/Tyrone are of the quality you refer to right now I wouldn't fear any of those teams irregardless of what happens Sunday.

2) Dublin have bottle and experience, they also have luck, Kerry and Mayo twice lost All Ireland's more than Dublin won them and that's a fact most Dublin supporters accept, not that there is anything wrong with a bit of luck, all teams need it, but it wasn't bottle and experience alone that has gotten Dublin this far

3) The past is irrelevant, what you have won in years gone by doesn't ensure you will win again in 2019, in fact given that amount of success and that amount of football you could make the argument that despite all of Jim Gavin's good management skills complacency could set in, let no one tell me that any Dublin players expect anything but to win Sunday and win well, you can say all you want on radio and in front of a camera or to a newspaper but every one of those Dublin players expect to wipe the floor with Meath as they done in 2014 and 2016 with little effort exhausted, in their minds this is just an irritating step on the road to history and whilst they will never admit and and neither will you it is a fact."
Excellent post

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 20/06/2019 20:26:26    2198114

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Replying To BarneysTie:  "Paper today says they're expecting 40k approx and they'll be lucky to get that I'd say."
I don't think Meath will win on Sunday but this talk about Meath should be concentrating on a qualifier game afterwards makes no sense. Hold back in this game saving yourself for a qualifier would be disastrous, it would mean a big defeat and morale destroyed for the qualifier. Play to win hopefully will mean a good performance which, even if we lose, would leave us in a good place for a qualifier.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 768 - 20/06/2019 20:28:48    2198116

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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-statistics-meath-s-direct-running-game-faces-the-ultimate-test-1.3931300?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fsport%2Fgaelic-games%2Fgaelic-football%2Fgaa-statistics-meath-s-direct-running-game-faces-the-ultimate-test-1.3931300

Well worth a read, some very interesting statistics and analysis on our Championship to date.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 20/06/2019 20:56:10    2198124

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Dublin most dangerous forward right now? Tough question I know, Paul mannion for me, kilkenny always kills us too

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 306 - 20/06/2019 21:31:53    2198130

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Lads, the vigour and the frequency of anti-Meath posts over on the National Forum is startling. It's to be expected out of your Louth's and Westmeath's etc, but its coming from all corners. It seems that people genuinely want Meath not only to lose the game but get battered and humiliated in the process. I agree that some of our posters are bananas and put up mad stuff but nonetheless. It seems that the old siege mentality is returning. Although with Meath it does not seem to be self-imposed rather its imposed by popular opinion in other counties, now Im no expert but surely this is a good omen. The best Meath teams were always reviled. They fed off of the negativity and "anybody but Meath" mentality. If this energy could be channeled in the future to organise Meath teams and their supporters as it did in the past, happy days. In saying that, its disappointing to read that not very many posters have any time or any nice sentiment for us at all even though its a very young and new Meath team, full of nice lads, and they are literally facing up to a blue behemoth. Nothing like the games of Meath/Dublin in the past. Even after nearly two decades of being largely uncompetitive there is still a lot of anti-Meath sentiment.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 391 - 20/06/2019 22:14:45    2198145

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i think the anti meath posts is somewhat brought on by reading the crazy stuff die hard meath fans post , im totally up for supporting my county but to be posting up about beating the dubs etc for a neutral fan to read this will no doubt rise a reaction , or even ridicule , im not sure there is any other county so many fans with totally unrealistic targets for the team , which in turn puts pressure on the lads , when sunday should be a free shot with nothing to lose.

the goal for the year was div 1 football and super 8s , thats still on.
beating the dubs is a few years down the line for this team yet , thats not being a bad supporter , its being realistic.
The bookies odds say it all im afraid

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 20/06/2019 23:10:09    2198168

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Lads, the vigour and the frequency of anti-Meath posts over on the National Forum is startling. It's to be expected out of your Louth's and Westmeath's etc, but its coming from all corners. It seems that people genuinely want Meath not only to lose the game but get battered and humiliated in the process. I agree that some of our posters are bananas and put up mad stuff but nonetheless. It seems that the old siege mentality is returning. Although with Meath it does not seem to be self-imposed rather its imposed by popular opinion in other counties, now Im no expert but surely this is a good omen. The best Meath teams were always reviled. They fed off of the negativity and "anybody but Meath" mentality. If this energy could be channeled in the future to organise Meath teams and their supporters as it did in the past, happy days. In saying that, its disappointing to read that not very many posters have any time or any nice sentiment for us at all even though its a very young and new Meath team, full of nice lads, and they are literally facing up to a blue behemoth. Nothing like the games of Meath/Dublin in the past. Even after nearly two decades of being largely uncompetitive there is still a lot of anti-Meath sentiment."
Sounds good worst thing of all would be if they were indifferent

cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 21/06/2019 06:35:52    2198194

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Lads, the vigour and the frequency of anti-Meath posts over on the National Forum is startling. It's to be expected out of your Louth's and Westmeath's etc, but its coming from all corners. It seems that people genuinely want Meath not only to lose the game but get battered and humiliated in the process. I agree that some of our posters are bananas and put up mad stuff but nonetheless. It seems that the old siege mentality is returning. Although with Meath it does not seem to be self-imposed rather its imposed by popular opinion in other counties, now Im no expert but surely this is a good omen. The best Meath teams were always reviled. They fed off of the negativity and "anybody but Meath" mentality. If this energy could be channeled in the future to organise Meath teams and their supporters as it did in the past, happy days. In saying that, its disappointing to read that not very many posters have any time or any nice sentiment for us at all even though its a very young and new Meath team, full of nice lads, and they are literally facing up to a blue behemoth. Nothing like the games of Meath/Dublin in the past. Even after nearly two decades of being largely uncompetitive there is still a lot of anti-Meath sentiment."
We rubbed alot of people up the wrong way for 30 years there, we were referred to as GAAs ultimate pantomime villains alot back in the day, but that's cause we were the best team around and very physical.......that always happens in any sport.... but I see lads from kildare louth westmeath even roscommon hoping for a meath hammering sunday..... surely everybody wants Dublin to be knocked back a bit at this stage no matter who does it?????? .....anyway I prefer it this way, it'll make it all the sweeter when we finally do get back where we belong.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 21/06/2019 07:00:40    2198195

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It's something I've enjoyed my whole life. We grew up on success and others being bitter about that success. 20 years on and they still can't stomach the idea of Meath having success. It would make for an interesting psychological study. I would much rather be optimistic and wrong than fatalistic and right. End of.

gwanyagudthing (Meath) - Posts: 88 - 21/06/2019 10:15:26    2198230

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Replying To seadog54:  "https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-statistics-meath-s-direct-running-game-faces-the-ultimate-test-1.3931300?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fsport%2Fgaelic-games%2Fgaelic-football%2Fgaa-statistics-meath-s-direct-running-game-faces-the-ultimate-test-1.3931300

Well worth a read, some very interesting statistics and analysis on our Championship to date."
Yes interesting stuff seadog54

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 21/06/2019 11:34:32    2198255

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Win possession on our kickouts and attack theirs.
Go man to man and win our battles.
Do both and we can win this match!
Stand off them and look for the next man to do his job and we are in big trouble.
We are Meath! We need to go for this and stop worring about the next game!

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 237 - 21/06/2019 12:39:01    2198267

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Replying To gwanyagudthing:  "It's something I've enjoyed my whole life. We grew up on success and others being bitter about that success. 20 years on and they still can't stomach the idea of Meath having success. It would make for an interesting psychological study. I would much rather be optimistic and wrong than fatalistic and right. End of."
My sentiments exactly

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 21/06/2019 12:57:35    2198274

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Replying To hurlit:  "i think the anti meath posts is somewhat brought on by reading the crazy stuff die hard meath fans post , im totally up for supporting my county but to be posting up about beating the dubs etc for a neutral fan to read this will no doubt rise a reaction , or even ridicule , im not sure there is any other county so many fans with totally unrealistic targets for the team , which in turn puts pressure on the lads , when sunday should be a free shot with nothing to lose.

the goal for the year was div 1 football and super 8s , thats still on.
beating the dubs is a few years down the line for this team yet , thats not being a bad supporter , its being realistic.
The bookies odds say it all im afraid"
No. It's brought on that Meath have progressed much to most county fans annoyance, Roscommon, Westmeath, louth, Kildare, Cavan , donegal, etc, would prefer dubs to win 100 Leinster than Meath win one. Nothing to do with posters, it's got to do with a inbred hatred of Meath football.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 21/06/2019 13:02:11    2198278

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Replying To Young_gael:  "Lads, the vigour and the frequency of anti-Meath posts over on the National Forum is startling. It's to be expected out of your Louth's and Westmeath's etc, but its coming from all corners. It seems that people genuinely want Meath not only to lose the game but get battered and humiliated in the process. I agree that some of our posters are bananas and put up mad stuff but nonetheless. It seems that the old siege mentality is returning. Although with Meath it does not seem to be self-imposed rather its imposed by popular opinion in other counties, now Im no expert but surely this is a good omen. The best Meath teams were always reviled. They fed off of the negativity and "anybody but Meath" mentality. If this energy could be channeled in the future to organise Meath teams and their supporters as it did in the past, happy days. In saying that, its disappointing to read that not very many posters have any time or any nice sentiment for us at all even though its a very young and new Meath team, full of nice lads, and they are literally facing up to a blue behemoth. Nothing like the games of Meath/Dublin in the past. Even after nearly two decades of being largely uncompetitive there is still a lot of anti-Meath sentiment."
Ah, it shouldn't surprise anyone anymore at this stage Meath are no liked and that's that. Its not just in recent years it goes back years. I am not sure if you can pin point the exact moment the country turned against Meath. Older folk might remember the 60s and 70s I think it was always thus.
I remember in the 80s when Boylans Meath came on the seen they where liked for awhile but they started winning and the good will soon evaporated. Some of the stuff was shocking that was said about Meath at the time .they should be ashamed of themselves etc. Frustrating Liam Harnan not to pick up a All-Ireland medal on one occasion. Boylan not been let in Croke Park with the Sam Maguire on another etc.
But did you notice you didn't mention Dublin as county that is wishing us bad some are actually wishing is well.
I can give out and cry about Dublin this and that but we cant blame them or supporters for the bad feeling towards Meath.
I remember I was about 11 in 86 when Meath v Kerry All-Ireland semi final. Dublin played Cork in the minor game before. There was a Dub of the thick variety in front of me. But first man to clap the Meath team on the pitch was the Dub. and all the way thorough the game. Maybe he was sick of kerry I am not sure. But was great to see.
Also if you look at the footage of last game of the four games in 91 Meath V Dublin which Meath won no Meath player celebrates maybe the odd jump here or there. But there is respect between players.
Also in 2007 I think if was Meath drew against Dublin and game was over Darren Fay was on the ground how lifted him up Cosgrave I cant think of his first name. It was on a vodafone add at the time.Another example of respect between the counties. Once a Meath Dublin game is over this generally over and there is no crying from either side its great tradition I hope it continues. So isn't it interesting our closely and deadest rivals and people that probably know us best generally have a lot of respect for us.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 21/06/2019 13:12:53    2198283

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Your right about 100 All-Irelands this 80 leinsters that. Ok meath Players are way off the mark there, But in 2000 Meath where All-Ireland Champions from 99 and offaly beat first game it was a early exit for Meath. big shock but all the the Irleands we had and Leinsters counted for feck all that day. we where out as it was back then. Similarly Louth got within a point of us in 98 squeaked through that day with Meath Legend like Fay gearthy giles etc. all playing. So minute you start we with have more All-ireland there for we cant not lose its a dodgy path."
It was a much more amateur set up in those days which made upsets much more likely. There is no chance Dublin won't come prepared physically and mentally unlike meath in 2000.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 21/06/2019 14:23:06    2198300

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