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Meath V Offaly

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah sometimes he comes across as having a chip on his shoulder about Meath, however I'm beginning to think it's more to do with incompetence than anything else."
He was pretty much on the money actually

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 12/05/2019 21:16:34    2183404

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Facts are I was right. There was never a need to be in peak condition or performance for that game. And maybe they did have a few scoops. They won like I said they would. Playing at about 20% potential. You really need to learn about championship football, you build game by game."
We put ourselves in a position of losing to offaly and been out of Leinster again with only one chance left. So if you want to believe we set out not to be 100% today you believe that.

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 12/05/2019 21:26:10    2183408

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We got out of jail today but what Offaly brought didn't surprise me .
Offaly were 9 points up on Westmeath this year in the league only to loose by one and they lost to Louth with a last minute Own goal .
last nights results proved that this years div2 was very average !!
Clare bet Waterford by 1 point , Kildare bet Wicklow by 2 points and Tipp lost to Limerick all Div 4 teams ???
Very little between Div 2 and most of Div3 huge gap between Div2 and Div 1 .
Durning the league I stated that Colgan in goal was a liability and after today I am sure of that.
His kick outs are dreadful he's way to slow to get the ball in play all of the time today we lost at least 50% of our kick outs . If Colgan was an outfield player today he would have been replaced ??
Offaly on the other hand with Maughan only in charge since the start of this year lost no kick out today one ended in a throw up which they won So is it a coaching problem ????
Meath pushed up on Offalys kick out but it had no affect at all but we continued to do it all day they were creating gaps for Offaly .
I was shocked how long McEntee left Brennan on Offalys no5 he destroyed him for 50 mins before he took him off was it not clear after 15 mins that McMahon should have went to the wing and picked up 5 and put Brennan in the center . Poor display by the sideline today

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 214 - 12/05/2019 21:39:32    2183415

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Facts are I was right. There was never a need to be in peak condition or performance for that game. And maybe they did have a few scoops. They won like I said they would. Playing at about 20% potential. You really need to learn about championship football, you build game by game."
My best advice is to put down the shovel down and stop digging yourself into a deeper hole.

We got out of jail big time today and I would imagine the poor performance came about because of the very attitude that is coming across in your posts.

The facts are that your posts are becoming an embarrassment to the forum.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 178 - 12/05/2019 21:43:44    2183419

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Replying To meath1977:  "We put ourselves in a position of losing to offaly and been out of Leinster again with only one chance left. So if you want to believe we set out not to be 100% today you believe that."
Last word on this ,If you think Meath were a 100% today you haven't been at a match all year, which is a possibility.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 12/05/2019 21:46:12    2183420

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Replying To mmc:  "We got out of jail today but what Offaly brought didn't surprise me .
Offaly were 9 points up on Westmeath this year in the league only to loose by one and they lost to Louth with a last minute Own goal .
last nights results proved that this years div2 was very average !!
Clare bet Waterford by 1 point , Kildare bet Wicklow by 2 points and Tipp lost to Limerick all Div 4 teams ???
Very little between Div 2 and most of Div3 huge gap between Div2 and Div 1 .
Durning the league I stated that Colgan in goal was a liability and after today I am sure of that.
His kick outs are dreadful he's way to slow to get the ball in play all of the time today we lost at least 50% of our kick outs . If Colgan was an outfield player today he would have been replaced ??
Offaly on the other hand with Maughan only in charge since the start of this year lost no kick out today one ended in a throw up which they won So is it a coaching problem ????
Meath pushed up on Offalys kick out but it had no affect at all but we continued to do it all day they were creating gaps for Offaly .
I was shocked how long McEntee left Brennan on Offalys no5 he destroyed him for 50 mins before he took him off was it not clear after 15 mins that McMahon should have went to the wing and picked up 5 and put Brennan in the center . Poor display by the sideline today"
So now you having a pop at Nally. ??
Lads agree or disagree with me on this one, some posters only appear after a perceived bad result.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 12/05/2019 21:49:32    2183421

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Last word on this ,If you think Meath were a 100% today you haven't been at a match all year, which is a possibility."
I go to all Meath matches so don't be talking crap , I was working in Donegal the day Meath played cork and I done a 9 hour car trip so I could see the match so have some manners

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 12/05/2019 22:18:55    2183429

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Absolutely awful stuff today. Shocking performance but credit to Offaly they played some great stuff. Number 10 for Offaly was very very impressive some great running today he popped up everywhere.
Only saving grace was the impressive performance of Flanagan when he came on. Thought he steadied the ship lot of good running and some great distribution just a pity most of the others were not on his wavelength and missed his passes etc.
Newman was little off the pace should have buried his chance after McNamee missed his chance. Anyways it can only get better going forward nice to get a win in the Championship it's been a while!

Evernal (Meath) - Posts: 43 - 12/05/2019 23:16:05    2183455

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Replying To Footnote:  "A lot of the posts here seem to be of a personal nature, but all I will say is a repeat of today's performance will end in defeat. It is obviously not possible but you have to wonder how we can't come up with a young powerful and mobile midfielder, what we had today in both halves is simply not good enough. We can have all the scoring forwards and tight backs in the world but without proper midfielders combined with a proper kick out strategy ( actually any kind of one would be an improvement) we will go nowhere. I was at most of the league games and it was sticking out a mile so obviously they can't fix it or dont have the raw material to do so. A win is a win and we hopefully will progress but midfield will kill us in the end"
I agree with you a lot of personal nature posts for some reason today. I prefer to read more game analysis by the people on here.

For my 2 cents I thought we defended in numbers ok enough but when it came to transitioning into attack there was no pace or intensity. Also poor transitioning of the ball from middle to final third. Finally a couple of players all having off days compared to their usual high standard.

cabbage (Meath) - Posts: 143 - 12/05/2019 23:51:12    2183460

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Felt Division 2 League was bad this year with exception of Donegal who can't turn it on when they choose. Christ Meath were shocking. Kicked and hand passed away endless ball, standing of Offaly forwards taking shots, cat at midfield and when screwed got turned kickouts went to pot as well. Lucky goal got us out of jail. They won't be dancing around Carlow on this form either and it will be another dog fight. For me we simply are not aggressive enough in the tackle and don't take the fight enough to our opponents. Simply not relentless enough. Offaly should have won end of story. As Maughan said after , Meath emptied the bench early and sure sign of panic too. Can't see the road in front of us with this Meath team. All over the place, don't know where we are going.

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 13/05/2019 00:30:11    2183467

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Performance wise today was disappointing, in fact at 0-13 to 0-9 down I thought our goose was cooked as nothing was going right, passes astray and possession lost, at that point we didn't look anywhere like winning the game. I was surprised by some performances today, we seemed to struggle for so long and so much of that struggle was self inflicted, the performance level was so much lower from any of the league games. However in a perverse way maybe it's a good thing, what will be most interesting now will be the team selection v Carlow and the resulting performance, that is now going to be a more telling factor than today. If we are on an upward curve, as I still think we are, we will respond and perform accordingly in Tullamore, if we don't then we can ask questions and ask big ones. I'm not going to hang my hat on everything today and I've become rational enough in recent years that I can temper my opinions, two weeks time will give us a better idea, everyone knows today wasn't good enough including management and players but we got out, how we respond is the crucial thing.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 13/05/2019 00:48:15    2183469

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I'm with mmc. Keeper is very poor in relation to kick outs and speed. Must have caused at least 3-4 points today. Overall it was very poor and we were extremely lucky to survive. Some of our basic passing was atrocious and numerous balls were kicked away. Thought Flanagan did well as did lynch. Full back was good. The offaly corner backs and half backs ran riot.

Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 13/05/2019 00:48:58    2183470

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Think it was as said all the hard training etc. wouldn't be too worried going forward , we better than that and , and while a very nervy game we got the win.
That been said a few players had a terrible game today."
Nervy to say the least royaldunne, we really took our eyes off the ball yersterday and I sincerely hope we are better than that because if we're not then we're in for a smacking in the next round!

That performance won't beat many teams, it was diabolical for large parts and if we play that way in division 1 next year we'll be 10-20pts down come half time.

Having said all that we're through to the next round, we got the win when in previous years we'd have folded so that was positive. Also hopefully this serves as a wake up call, we can't play like that again or it's curtains.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 13/05/2019 08:33:03    2183488

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Facts are I was right. There was never a need to be in peak condition or performance for that game. And maybe they did have a few scoops. They won like I said they would. Playing at about 20% potential. You really need to learn about championship football, you build game by game."
Christ Royaldunne you need to quit this forum. Your suggestion that Meath almost lost because they were not in peak condition and playing only at 20% is laughable. I can assure you those Meath lads are in peak condition and Offaly simply were a better team. They made us look awful. Division 2 League football is very poor standard and not much better than Div3 or top end Division 4. Derry would have beaten Meath yesterday as an example. Let's get real here. Meath are very average and the sooner we all accept we are no better than Offaly and many other teams below us the better. Blowing we are somehow a sort of progressive Divison 1 side and saying we are going to automatically beat the Carlows and Laois of this world is just mad. If we were much more modest and humble we would get further and less expectation set on the poor players who listen unnecessary hype.

Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 13/05/2019 08:36:46    2183489

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Replying To meath1977:  "We put ourselves in a position of losing to offaly and been out of Leinster again with only one chance left. So if you want to believe we set out not to be 100% today you believe that."
I'm dissapointed with that performance but you seem to be delighted to have something to give out about........well good for you cause you have loads of ammunition, not just you, loads of lads loving the chance to say told ya meath arent that good....pathetic really....Poor performance, won the game, can't be that bad again v carlow....we move on

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 13/05/2019 08:55:01    2183496

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Replying To royaldunne:  "So now you having a pop at Nally. ??
Lads agree or disagree with me on this one, some posters only appear after a perceived bad result."
The kickouts have been an issue for a few years now and while they have slightly improved this year, there is still major work to do (Donegal second half was close to a disgrace in terms of kickout strategy). But when exactly are we going to do this major work on the kickout strategy? What are the coaching staff waiting for? The championship has already started.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 13/05/2019 09:06:45    2183498

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Replying To mmc:  "We got out of jail today but what Offaly brought didn't surprise me .
Offaly were 9 points up on Westmeath this year in the league only to loose by one and they lost to Louth with a last minute Own goal .
last nights results proved that this years div2 was very average !!
Clare bet Waterford by 1 point , Kildare bet Wicklow by 2 points and Tipp lost to Limerick all Div 4 teams ???
Very little between Div 2 and most of Div3 huge gap between Div2 and Div 1 .
Durning the league I stated that Colgan in goal was a liability and after today I am sure of that.
His kick outs are dreadful he's way to slow to get the ball in play all of the time today we lost at least 50% of our kick outs . If Colgan was an outfield player today he would have been replaced ??
Offaly on the other hand with Maughan only in charge since the start of this year lost no kick out today one ended in a throw up which they won So is it a coaching problem ????
Meath pushed up on Offalys kick out but it had no affect at all but we continued to do it all day they were creating gaps for Offaly .
I was shocked how long McEntee left Brennan on Offalys no5 he destroyed him for 50 mins before he took him off was it not clear after 15 mins that McMahon should have went to the wing and picked up 5 and put Brennan in the center . Poor display by the sideline today"
I agree with your post on a few points
If Colgan was an outfield player today he would have been replaced ??
Yes i reckon so , but people afraid to change keepers I am not sure why. I guess its a traditional thing Keepers dont get changed unless injured.
Meath pushed up on Offalys kick out but it had no affect at all ?
Yes, I agree when we pushed up we still never one ball from Offaly kick outs, it was bad, But pushing up kinda did have a effect it stopped Offaly keeper from pinging balls into midfield leaving us exposed, it forced it short kick out which they won but it forced them to carry from deep which better chance of tiring and forcing a turn over.
I dont understand why we did'nt push up more.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 13/05/2019 09:12:10    2183500

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Got out of jail but at least we got out of it. In previous years we may not of had the character to get the result. Remember only this time last year when Longford put it up to us we weren't able to respond.
Now of course thats the performance you dont want to see if we have S8 ambitions but perhaps it'll work as the scare to bring them down to earth.
Hoping for momentum to build now with Carlow up next, but one thing is for sure, massive improvement is required.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 13/05/2019 09:14:02    2183501

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I know the team played poorly, but did anyone think that we changed our style slightly from the league in that we seemed to have more people behind the ball and didn't break as fast or as they say now "Transition" from defense into attack as well as we were earlier in the league? Maybe they have an eye on other games in the future and want to develop a different style. I could be wrong in this though.

We have to develop a primary and back up kick out strategy because it is killing us.

We will improve and no one will remember this game if we go on and have a long summer, and maybe it's better to get a kick on the backside now rather than later. It certainly should knock any complacency (if there was any) out of the team and that will be good.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 178 - 13/05/2019 09:50:07    2183515

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Very lucky to get through yesterday, Offaly didn't deserve to lose that game. Maybe the heavy session in Kerry went against Meath but if so I would suggest it wasn't the greatest idea by the management team.

I thought after watching the first 20 minutes of the league final that we had found a way to mix up the running game with a more direct approach. However yesterday we reverted to type and played such a negative, low risk, rugby league style running game. I have to believe that's the managments decision and the players are only following instructions.

I lost count the number of times we had a runner coming through the middle with a line of three or four supporting from behind rather than trying to get ahead of the ball carrier to create options. Inevitably we then run into trouble or our kick forward is intercepted as we only have 1 or max 2 options ahead of the ball.

We dragged 15 men behind the ball so often just inviting the Offaly team on us especially their wing and corner backs. Which was ironic as I felt our defenders did ok individually when 1 on 1, but it seems lads feel when extra numbers are back they don't need to actually do basic stuff like tackling.

Our kick outs were atrocious and Colgan had a 3/4 minute spell giving away 2/3 scores in a row that almost left Offaly out of sight. This is an area that hasn't improved in the last 3 years.

Overall it's hard to be positive looking forward. I really hope I'm wrong but I feel the style of football we are playing (negative, low risk, retain possession, running game) has been proven to bring respectability to weaker teams but will not allow a team to get near the stronger (Super 8) teams. Which is a shame as I think there's more in these players as they proved in the 1st half of the league final.

GBG (Meath) - Posts: 12 - 13/05/2019 10:08:16    2183522

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