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I know it's very early for this talk but am I right in saying the first round of championship next year is 2nd week in August? First round of the league is mid March?

boeder (Meath) - Posts: 53 - 29/10/2019 18:29:34    2246508

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Replying To boeder:  "I know it's very early for this talk but am I right in saying the first round of championship next year is 2nd week in August? First round of the league is mid March?"
We've only dropped 2 rounds of the championship, so I can't see the league being shortened by 6/7 weeks from the end of January till mid march.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 29/10/2019 21:54:51    2246541

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "We've only dropped 2 rounds of the championship, so I can't see the league being shortened by 6/7 weeks from the end of January till mid march."
Talk was about running knockout competitions first.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 30/10/2019 07:37:50    2246570

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Like Feis Cup etc.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 30/10/2019 07:38:18    2246571

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Yea as far as I know all knock out competitions will start in Feb, league then straight after in March and championship beginning at the start of August with a supposed 2 week break between league finals and championship[ beginning

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 323 - 30/10/2019 09:40:19    2246581

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "After commenting on the ridiculousness of our new Intermediate championship on another thread I had a read back on the Club Structures Report that produced the new format. They practically admit that the 20 team IFC isn't designed with football purposes in mind, it's solely to ensure the support of clubs who are happy to lose almost every game they play but don't mind as long as they can claim to play Intermediate:

"The reason that the proposal suggests 20 rather than 16 in the intermediate championship is an acknowledgment of the vociferous opposition from the intermediate ranks to a significant relegation programme. Without intermediate club support reform may not be possible.....Many will argue that will not help standards in the intermediate grade.""
Yes, so the top table "bought off" the Intermediate clubs so that they could reform the Senior Championship. Well they may as well now "buy off" some other grades to reform the Intermediate Championship because as stated previously I fear there will be some clubs simply out of their depth. It's all good and well to try to hold on to a certain status but increasing the number of teams is ridiculous and it in turn weakens the Junior Championship. Presently our football clubs participate in the equivalent Leinster Club championships. So our 1st ranked Club competes in the SFC our 19th ranked club will compete in the IFC meaning that our 37th ranked team will compete in the JFC. Our teams in the IFC and JFC are competing against teams ranked far higher in other counties. Our top table made no effort to impress this to the delegates and it is possible that some do not even think like this.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 30/10/2019 18:38:41    2246653

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Replying To MillerX:  "
Replying To CastleBravo:  "After commenting on the ridiculousness of our new Intermediate championship on another thread I had a read back on the Club Structures Report that produced the new format. They practically admit that the 20 team IFC isn't designed with football purposes in mind, it's solely to ensure the support of clubs who are happy to lose almost every game they play but don't mind as long as they can claim to play Intermediate:

"The reason that the proposal suggests 20 rather than 16 in the intermediate championship is an acknowledgment of the vociferous opposition from the intermediate ranks to a significant relegation programme. Without intermediate club support reform may not be possible.....Many will argue that will not help standards in the intermediate grade.""
Yes, so the top table "bought off" the Intermediate clubs so that they could reform the Senior Championship. Well they may as well now "buy off" some other grades to reform the Intermediate Championship because as stated previously I fear there will be some clubs simply out of their depth. It's all good and well to try to hold on to a certain status but increasing the number of teams is ridiculous and it in turn weakens the Junior Championship. Presently our football clubs participate in the equivalent Leinster Club championships. So our 1st ranked Club competes in the SFC our 19th ranked club will compete in the IFC meaning that our 37th ranked team will compete in the JFC. Our teams in the IFC and JFC are competing against teams ranked far higher in other counties. Our top table made no effort to impress this to the delegates and it is possible that some do not even think like this."
2 years ago we tried to tighten up the divisions but the clubs had it overturned. The top table can only do so much....

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 30/10/2019 22:46:17    2246689

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Replying To MillerX:  "
Replying To CastleBravo:  "After commenting on the ridiculousness of our new Intermediate championship on another thread I had a read back on the Club Structures Report that produced the new format. They practically admit that the 20 team IFC isn't designed with football purposes in mind, it's solely to ensure the support of clubs who are happy to lose almost every game they play but don't mind as long as they can claim to play Intermediate:

"The reason that the proposal suggests 20 rather than 16 in the intermediate championship is an acknowledgment of the vociferous opposition from the intermediate ranks to a significant relegation programme. Without intermediate club support reform may not be possible.....Many will argue that will not help standards in the intermediate grade.""
Yes, so the top table "bought off" the Intermediate clubs so that they could reform the Senior Championship. Well they may as well now "buy off" some other grades to reform the Intermediate Championship because as stated previously I fear there will be some clubs simply out of their depth. It's all good and well to try to hold on to a certain status but increasing the number of teams is ridiculous and it in turn weakens the Junior Championship. Presently our football clubs participate in the equivalent Leinster Club championships. So our 1st ranked Club competes in the SFC our 19th ranked club will compete in the IFC meaning that our 37th ranked team will compete in the JFC. Our teams in the IFC and JFC are competing against teams ranked far higher in other counties. Our top table made no effort to impress this to the delegates and it is possible that some do not even think like this."
I agree that it does need to change and I think 16 teams in both Inter and Junior going forward should try to be achieved. However it will be our 1st ranked team in Senior Leinster, 17th ranked in Inter as the Senior championship next year is down to 16 teams??

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 323 - 31/10/2019 09:09:20    2246712

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Replying To ratlag:  "
Replying To MillerX:  "[quote=CastleBravo:  "After commenting on the ridiculousness of our new Intermediate championship on another thread I had a read back on the Club Structures Report that produced the new format. They practically admit that the 20 team IFC isn't designed with football purposes in mind, it's solely to ensure the support of clubs who are happy to lose almost every game they play but don't mind as long as they can claim to play Intermediate:

"The reason that the proposal suggests 20 rather than 16 in the intermediate championship is an acknowledgment of the vociferous opposition from the intermediate ranks to a significant relegation programme. Without intermediate club support reform may not be possible.....Many will argue that will not help standards in the intermediate grade.""
Yes, so the top table "bought off" the Intermediate clubs so that they could reform the Senior Championship. Well they may as well now "buy off" some other grades to reform the Intermediate Championship because as stated previously I fear there will be some clubs simply out of their depth. It's all good and well to try to hold on to a certain status but increasing the number of teams is ridiculous and it in turn weakens the Junior Championship. Presently our football clubs participate in the equivalent Leinster Club championships. So our 1st ranked Club competes in the SFC our 19th ranked club will compete in the IFC meaning that our 37th ranked team will compete in the JFC. Our teams in the IFC and JFC are competing against teams ranked far higher in other counties. Our top table made no effort to impress this to the delegates and it is possible that some do not even think like this."
I agree that it does need to change and I think 16 teams in both Inter and Junior going forward should try to be achieved. However it will be our 1st ranked team in Senior Leinster, 17th ranked in Inter as the Senior championship next year is down to 16 teams??"]How can you dictate what numbers are Junior, the numbers there are the total clubs minus Senior and Intermediate, as far as i am aware all clubs first teams will play Junior football going forward as the Junior b,c, and d is being revamped to a Reserve championship.

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 31/10/2019 10:01:57    2246724

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Replying To Analyst:  "
Replying To ratlag:  "[quote=MillerX:  "[quote=CastleBravo:  "After commenting on the ridiculousness of our new Intermediate championship on another thread I had a read back on the Club Structures Report that produced the new format. They practically admit that the 20 team IFC isn't designed with football purposes in mind, it's solely to ensure the support of clubs who are happy to lose almost every game they play but don't mind as long as they can claim to play Intermediate:

"The reason that the proposal suggests 20 rather than 16 in the intermediate championship is an acknowledgment of the vociferous opposition from the intermediate ranks to a significant relegation programme. Without intermediate club support reform may not be possible.....Many will argue that will not help standards in the intermediate grade.""
Yes, so the top table "bought off" the Intermediate clubs so that they could reform the Senior Championship. Well they may as well now "buy off" some other grades to reform the Intermediate Championship because as stated previously I fear there will be some clubs simply out of their depth. It's all good and well to try to hold on to a certain status but increasing the number of teams is ridiculous and it in turn weakens the Junior Championship. Presently our football clubs participate in the equivalent Leinster Club championships. So our 1st ranked Club competes in the SFC our 19th ranked club will compete in the IFC meaning that our 37th ranked team will compete in the JFC. Our teams in the IFC and JFC are competing against teams ranked far higher in other counties. Our top table made no effort to impress this to the delegates and it is possible that some do not even think like this."
I agree that it does need to change and I think 16 teams in both Inter and Junior going forward should try to be achieved. However it will be our 1st ranked team in Senior Leinster, 17th ranked in Inter as the Senior championship next year is down to 16 teams??"]How can you dictate what numbers are Junior, the numbers there are the total clubs minus Senior and Intermediate, as far as i am aware all clubs first teams will play Junior football going forward as the Junior b,c, and d is being revamped to a Reserve championship."]Apologies, so to the best of my knowledge there are 52 teams in the county!! If that is correct then the split should be 16 senior, 16 intermediate, both having 4 groups of 4 team format. And then the remaining 20 teams in Junior, rather than 20 teams in Intermediate and 16 in the Junior ranks, to me that just doesn't make competitive sense

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 323 - 31/10/2019 10:42:36    2246739

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Replying To ratlag:  "
Replying To MillerX:  "[quote=CastleBravo:  "After commenting on the ridiculousness of our new Intermediate championship on another thread I had a read back on the Club Structures Report that produced the new format. They practically admit that the 20 team IFC isn't designed with football purposes in mind, it's solely to ensure the support of clubs who are happy to lose almost every game they play but don't mind as long as they can claim to play Intermediate:

"The reason that the proposal suggests 20 rather than 16 in the intermediate championship is an acknowledgment of the vociferous opposition from the intermediate ranks to a significant relegation programme. Without intermediate club support reform may not be possible.....Many will argue that will not help standards in the intermediate grade.""
Yes, so the top table "bought off" the Intermediate clubs so that they could reform the Senior Championship. Well they may as well now "buy off" some other grades to reform the Intermediate Championship because as stated previously I fear there will be some clubs simply out of their depth. It's all good and well to try to hold on to a certain status but increasing the number of teams is ridiculous and it in turn weakens the Junior Championship. Presently our football clubs participate in the equivalent Leinster Club championships. So our 1st ranked Club competes in the SFC our 19th ranked club will compete in the IFC meaning that our 37th ranked team will compete in the JFC. Our teams in the IFC and JFC are competing against teams ranked far higher in other counties. Our top table made no effort to impress this to the delegates and it is possible that some do not even think like this."
I agree that it does need to change and I think 16 teams in both Inter and Junior going forward should try to be achieved. However it will be our 1st ranked team in Senior Leinster, 17th ranked in Inter as the Senior championship next year is down to 16 teams??"]Agreed next year but in this year's club championship our 19th ranked team will compete in IFC and 37th in JFC.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 31/10/2019 17:31:38    2246859

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Replying To MillerX:  "
Replying To ratlag:  "[quote=MillerX:  "[quote=CastleBravo:  "After commenting on the ridiculousness of our new Intermediate championship on another thread I had a read back on the Club Structures Report that produced the new format. They practically admit that the 20 team IFC isn't designed with football purposes in mind, it's solely to ensure the support of clubs who are happy to lose almost every game they play but don't mind as long as they can claim to play Intermediate:

"The reason that the proposal suggests 20 rather than 16 in the intermediate championship is an acknowledgment of the vociferous opposition from the intermediate ranks to a significant relegation programme. Without intermediate club support reform may not be possible.....Many will argue that will not help standards in the intermediate grade.""
Yes, so the top table "bought off" the Intermediate clubs so that they could reform the Senior Championship. Well they may as well now "buy off" some other grades to reform the Intermediate Championship because as stated previously I fear there will be some clubs simply out of their depth. It's all good and well to try to hold on to a certain status but increasing the number of teams is ridiculous and it in turn weakens the Junior Championship. Presently our football clubs participate in the equivalent Leinster Club championships. So our 1st ranked Club competes in the SFC our 19th ranked club will compete in the IFC meaning that our 37th ranked team will compete in the JFC. Our teams in the IFC and JFC are competing against teams ranked far higher in other counties. Our top table made no effort to impress this to the delegates and it is possible that some do not even think like this."
I agree that it does need to change and I think 16 teams in both Inter and Junior going forward should try to be achieved. However it will be our 1st ranked team in Senior Leinster, 17th ranked in Inter as the Senior championship next year is down to 16 teams??"]Agreed next year but in this year's club championship our 19th ranked team will compete in IFC and 37th in JFC."]Since Donaghmore/Ashbourne and Dunboyne are in the IFC, doesn't that mean that our 35th best team is representing us in the Leinster JFC this year?

Next year with the expansion of Intermediate, it will be our 37th best team playing in the Leinster JFC.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 31/10/2019 20:04:23    2246883

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