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Meath V Kildare

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Replying To TakeYourPoints6:  "Am I the only one who thought Cillian O Sullivan had a very poor game? Lost a crazy amount of ball in the tackle"
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/late-meath-flurry-sees-kildare-frozen-out-in-a-jubilant-navan-1.3812989

Thought he put he a good shift as did Sean Moran, COS turns over some ball but overall his imput is largely positive.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 04/03/2019 18:34:23    2170207

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Replying To mmc:  "If we want to play in Div one next year and compete in that division , I don't want to disrespect any county but we have to be beating the likes of Clare and Fermanagh simple as .
This Meath team have grown a pair of balls yesterday proved that over the last number of years we lost all yesterdays type of games that result will only improve this team .
Let's finish this league with 12 points and bring home a long overdue piece of silverware from Croke Park at the end of it all ."
Nice and all as that would be , promotion was the goal, mcentee said it yesterday, it has always been the goal for this year. Nothing else matters . We have to get promoted. I'm sick and tired of div 2, this is a harder division than last year of that there is no doubt, let's all hope cork do us a massive favor and winning in ennis will promote us. But we cannot rely on others it's all in our own hands, of course I want the bit of silverware at the end but I'd give it to Fermanagh today if we could be guaranteed promotion.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 04/03/2019 18:39:37    2170209

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Promotion in our own hands with two games to go, would have taken that all day long at start of league.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 04/03/2019 18:40:56    2170210

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Think what is very likely to happen is armagh beating fermanagh at home. they're in relegation trouble and need the win. If that happens & we beat clare it doesn't really matter what else happens as we're well clear of donegal on score diff. & we'd be at least 9 clear of fermanagh. They'd need to beat us by 5 & donegal would need to win their last 2 matches by at least +12. Anyway as an earlier poster said if we've aspirations of playing div 1 we should , with all due respect to them, be beating both clare & fermanagh

royal69er (Meath) - Posts: 96 - 04/03/2019 18:51:43    2170214

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Got to say also Ben Brennan came to the fore yesterday and showed class and nerves of steel. Let's hipe the knee injury won't keep him out for too long.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 04/03/2019 18:53:17    2170215

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Replying To seadog54:  "Promotion in our own hands with two games to go, would have taken that all day long at start of league."
Agree. At the start of the league i was very worried as our record vs ulster teams and kildare were not good and with cork and tipp beating us last year it looked liked staying up would be an achievement. I m still beaming after that performance yesterday the never die spirit is back. Nobody can say that any player didnt try 100%

SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 168 - 04/03/2019 20:34:10    2170239

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I'm going to go out on a limb here , but if we beat Fermanagh we get promoted even if we get beat by Clare (once it's not a huge score difference) if we win v Clare and get beat by Fermanagh we stay put assuming donegal win both of their games. Everything hinges on the Fermanagh game in navan. Let's pack it out bring flags banners or whatever. Promotion is ours if we beat Fermanagh. That's my reading of it. If we beat Clare a draw v Fermanagh is enough. But it all hinges on Fermanagh game. That's my reading of it anyway."
Not necessarily though as if we beat Clare and Donegal lose to Cork then we are promoted with a game in hand so Fermanagh game is a dead rubber for us.

Even if Donegal win their last two games so have Fermanagh otherwise if all 3 of us end up on 10 points then our score difference should see us through. Its an anomoly but we could end up tied with both Fermanagh and Donegal having lost to both of them yet still qualify due to points difference.

It is true that if lose to fermanagh and they and Donegal win their last two games, Fermanagh would be on 12 and ourselves and Donegal on 10 and then we stay because of the head to head.

My head hurts now.

Anyway lets save all the calculations for the last week and just go out and beat Clare and keep both our momentum going and the pressure on everyone else.

It is a situation we all would have taken at the start of the campaign.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 178 - 04/03/2019 21:05:18    2170251

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I'm going to go out on a limb here , but if we beat Fermanagh we get promoted even if we get beat by Clare (once it's not a huge score difference) if we win v Clare and get beat by Fermanagh we stay put assuming donegal win both of their games. Everything hinges on the Fermanagh game in navan. Let's pack it out bring flags banners or whatever. Promotion is ours if we beat Fermanagh. That's my reading of it. If we beat Clare a draw v Fermanagh is enough. But it all hinges on Fermanagh game. That's my reading of it anyway."
That's it, presuming Donegal win their last two games which is not guaranteed, they aren't firing well and but for the introduction of Michael Murphy, who scored 1-2 in a game they won by a point, Armagh would have taken them. Anyway our lads will focus on themselves on their own performances, no reason why we cant win these last two games given what I've seen so far in this league, they will be tough games no doubt as both Clare and Fermanagh are playing for something, one trying to survive and one trying to go up, nothing is easy or fore written in this division but play with the attitude of yesterday and we can win them both

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 04/03/2019 21:30:27    2170258

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "Not necessarily though as if we beat Clare and Donegal lose to Cork then we are promoted with a game in hand so Fermanagh game is a dead rubber for us.

Even if Donegal win their last two games so have Fermanagh otherwise if all 3 of us end up on 10 points then our score difference should see us through. Its an anomoly but we could end up tied with both Fermanagh and Donegal having lost to both of them yet still qualify due to points difference.

It is true that if lose to fermanagh and they and Donegal win their last two games, Fermanagh would be on 12 and ourselves and Donegal on 10 and then we stay because of the head to head.

My head hurts now.

Anyway lets save all the calculations for the last week and just go out and beat Clare and keep both our momentum going and the pressure on everyone else.

It is a situation we all would have taken at the start of the campaign."
My head is still hurting from the roar of the crowd yesterday never mind trying to figure out these permutations

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 04/03/2019 21:31:53    2170260

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Funny seeing many thinking Donegal are certainties to win their final 2 games seeing as they have already lost 2 out of their 5 games. I think Donegal are every bit as likely to lose their matches as we are. Cork away and Kildare are not gimmies for them.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 768 - 04/03/2019 22:20:13    2170274

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "Not necessarily though as if we beat Clare and Donegal lose to Cork then we are promoted with a game in hand so Fermanagh game is a dead rubber for us.

Even if Donegal win their last two games so have Fermanagh otherwise if all 3 of us end up on 10 points then our score difference should see us through. Its an anomoly but we could end up tied with both Fermanagh and Donegal having lost to both of them yet still qualify due to points difference.

It is true that if lose to fermanagh and they and Donegal win their last two games, Fermanagh would be on 12 and ourselves and Donegal on 10 and then we stay because of the head to head.

My head hurts now.

Anyway lets save all the calculations for the last week and just go out and beat Clare and keep both our momentum going and the pressure on everyone else.

It is a situation we all would have taken at the start of the campaign."
Ahh jasus that's more permutations than me head can handle:)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 04/03/2019 22:53:03    2170285

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The biggest worry other than Meath losing their last two games would be as follows:

Fermanagh win remaining 2 games (finishing on 12)
Meath beating Clare and losing to Fermanagh (finishing on 10)
Donegal win remaining 2 games (finishing on 10)

In this scenario, we would lose out on promotion due to head-to-head versus Donegal.

The objective is clear. Win our remaining 2 games and we go up. Do not worry about the others - a loss for Donegal or Fermanagh next week will see us through.

Clare are now fighting relegation and have been extremely competitive in all their games. That must be the core focus

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 750 - 04/03/2019 23:34:21    2170293

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Replying To Richieq:  "My head is still hurting from the roar of the crowd yesterday never mind trying to figure out these permutations"
Don't let anyone say the league doesn't matter. It's the best of the 3 main competitions we play every year in terms of competitiveness and almost 5,000 fans turning up on the worst day of the year speaks for itself.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 05/03/2019 01:18:00    2170302

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When we have Kevin mcstay praising Meath we must be doing something right. Andy's biggest challenge is yet to come, he has to keep the players grounded and focused, it is simple win two games get promoted, nothing is achieved yet.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 05/03/2019 08:14:39    2170315

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Where do we stand now ?
Most people taught me included this game would be a good gauge as to where we where, with playing weaken sides so far this year.
As it turned out I think we are really no further on, we had a disappointing performance but a excellent result,We showed great heart and spirit and heart to fight back from a terrible start. Our forwards seemed to regressed. We stood of Kildare in the first half which was disappointing.We for me we already showed this against Armagh and in the Cork game. So think the major focus for the next game is how our forwards get on.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 05/03/2019 09:12:00    2170321

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Replying To royaldunne:  "When we have Kevin mcstay praising Meath we must be doing something right. Andy's biggest challenge is yet to come, he has to keep the players grounded and focused, it is simple win two games get promoted, nothing is achieved yet."
Mc Stay was getting a bit carried away in all fairness.

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 05/03/2019 13:18:31    2170381

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Replying To Royalio11:  "The biggest worry other than Meath losing their last two games would be as follows:

Fermanagh win remaining 2 games (finishing on 12)
Meath beating Clare and losing to Fermanagh (finishing on 10)
Donegal win remaining 2 games (finishing on 10)

In this scenario, we would lose out on promotion due to head-to-head versus Donegal.

The objective is clear. Win our remaining 2 games and we go up. Do not worry about the others - a loss for Donegal or Fermanagh next week will see us through.

Clare are now fighting relegation and have been extremely competitive in all their games. That must be the core focus"
It only goes head to head if there are two teams tied. If three teams are tied, it goes to goal difference.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 05/03/2019 13:40:59    2170389

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Where do we stand now ?
Most people taught me included this game would be a good gauge as to where we where, with playing weaken sides so far this year.
As it turned out I think we are really no further on, we had a disappointing performance but a excellent result,We showed great heart and spirit and heart to fight back from a terrible start. Our forwards seemed to regressed. We stood of Kildare in the first half which was disappointing.We for me we already showed this against Armagh and in the Cork game. So think the major focus for the next game is how our forwards get on."
I think where we stand is that we have found some consistency in terms of getting results, we have found a way to close out tight games (with the exception of Donegal), we have found a largely settled team, introduced some good new players and re-energised the supporters. It was great to see McGill saying that the players are really enjoying going to training. It's still very much a work in progress - the reality is that we haven't played any of the top teams and the results to date have been coming through really hard graft. To get to the next level we will need to start being more clinical and taking our opportunities and making life easier for ourselves. Having said all that, now is not a time for criticism - the players and management deserve a lot of credit for their efforts in the last few weeks.

gwanyagudthing (Meath) - Posts: 88 - 05/03/2019 14:36:47    2170403

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Where do we stand now ?
Most people taught me included this game would be a good gauge as to where we where, with playing weaken sides so far this year.
As it turned out I think we are really no further on, we had a disappointing performance but a excellent result,We showed great heart and spirit and heart to fight back from a terrible start. Our forwards seemed to regressed. We stood of Kildare in the first half which was disappointing.We for me we already showed this against Armagh and in the Cork game. So think the major focus for the next game is how our forwards get on."
Given the conditions I thought we got ourselves into some very good positions and either the finish or the final pass was slightly off, would be much more concerned if we didn't create opportunities, there were very few pot shots taken. The wides are something that can be worked on. For 20 minutes we were very passive in both attack and defence but really upped the intensity after that. We totally dominated the second half, from winning primary possession, winning the dirty breaks and we won countless turnovers, we put pressure on much further up the pitch which is a positive. Kildare were not missing many frontline players, I take that as a hugely positive game, they players seem all pulling in one direction, are obviously working extremely hard. They have a clear pattern of play and understand what the are supposed to be doing. They have definitely re engaged supporters, the atmosphere on Sunday was as good as there has been for a long time. We are nowhere near the finished article but we are on an upward curve. It is positive but I don't think anyone is getting carried away.

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 300 - 05/03/2019 15:40:59    2170417

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Where do we stand now ?
Most people taught me included this game would be a good gauge as to where we where, with playing weaken sides so far this year.
As it turned out I think we are really no further on, we had a disappointing performance but a excellent result,We showed great heart and spirit and heart to fight back from a terrible start. Our forwards seemed to regressed. We stood of Kildare in the first half which was disappointing.We for me we already showed this against Armagh and in the Cork game. So think the major focus for the next game is how our forwards get on."
Major focus for next game is getting two points, forward play can and will be worked on, we can never get lost points back. Can you in all fairness compare our current play with the defensive shambles of the last few years?

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 05/03/2019 18:07:56    2170448

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