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We'll need a big game from everyone. I think this will be toughest game so far. We beat an off form Tipp team, nearly beat a depleted Donegal team, got let off the hook against Armagh and beat a Cork team in the doldrums.

I don't want to be overly negative but I just think this one will be a step up from the other games and with the 2017 results in the back of my mind I'm more than a little anxious.

If we get a result we are by no means home and dry. Clare away will be a tough assignment make no mistake. They have top players like Tubridy who can do a lot of damage.

Fermanagh are unbeaten and will be hard to break down. We will need to have answers to their ultra defensive strategy.

LoyalRoyal (None) - Posts: 414 - 25/02/2019 23:03:19    2168206

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Am I right in saying no matter what happens we can't be relegated, ? I was looking up odds there on pp. and they don't quote us at all for relegation? Think it's the way the games fall. So one goal achieved.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 26/02/2019 08:19:43    2168232

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Am I right in saying no matter what happens we can't be relegated, ? I was looking up odds there on pp. and they don't quote us at all for relegation? Think it's the way the games fall. So one goal achieved."
Yes, don't think there is any scenario where we could be relegated so that is an achievement in fairness. We haven't had as good a shot at promotion in a long time. Traditionally we tend to start the league slow and pick up results towards the end. While none of the fixtures are walkovers, you couldn't ask for a better scenario than two home fixtures against two of your main promotion rivals. Our destiny is in our own hands. My feeling is that we won't lose against Kildare for the want of trying, if we lose it will be because they are the better team. I expect it to go down to the wire, maybe a point or two in it either way. Kildare probably are a little further on in their development than us but we probably have the more settled team and are at home. We'll need the same sort of performance as against Tyrone last year.

gwanyagudthing (Meath) - Posts: 88 - 26/02/2019 11:13:11    2168284

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I think we might sneak this one. I know we played wreaked sides so far and a poor Cork side. But we have failed to get results before in similar situations. But I know Cork where poor the last but. If we play like we did in the second half (even though we made a few mistakes ) against cork with the tigerish defending and Subs like Reilly Devine and Barry Daris to come and came a instant impact I think we will win on Sunday and against Clare and Fermanagh. I am hoping kildare will expecting a weak Meath side that crumbled in recent years. I dont think its going to happen on Sunday. But this game is step up as its a local derby and a lot at stake.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 26/02/2019 11:24:55    2168289

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I think we might sneak this one. I know we played wreaked sides so far and a poor Cork side. But we have failed to get results before in similar situations. But I know Cork where poor the last but. If we play like we did in the second half (even though we made a few mistakes ) against cork with the tigerish defending and Subs like Reilly Devine and Barry Daris to come and came a instant impact I think we will win on Sunday and against Clare and Fermanagh. I am hoping kildare will expecting a weak Meath side that crumbled in recent years. I dont think its going to happen on Sunday. But this game is step up as its a local derby and a lot at stake."
It'll be tight. Of that there is no doubt.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 26/02/2019 17:29:31    2168462

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "We'll need a big game from everyone. I think this will be toughest game so far. We beat an off form Tipp team, nearly beat a depleted Donegal team, got let off the hook against Armagh and beat a Cork team in the doldrums.

I don't want to be overly negative but I just think this one will be a step up from the other games and with the 2017 results in the back of my mind I'm more than a little anxious.

If we get a result we are by no means home and dry. Clare away will be a tough assignment make no mistake. They have top players like Tubridy who can do a lot of damage.

Fermanagh are unbeaten and will be hard to break down. We will need to have answers to their ultra defensive strategy."
Agreed............very difficult and now is the time for maximum effort from all players. I assume Andy will not start any player with a questionable workrate regardless. No excuses or exceptions .I dont give a fiddlers who starts as long as they are players who are proven to have a consistant high workrate.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 841 - 26/02/2019 19:10:58    2168483

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Replying To nobull456:  "Agreed............very difficult and now is the time for maximum effort from all players. I assume Andy will not start any player with a questionable workrate regardless. No excuses or exceptions .I dont give a fiddlers who starts as long as they are players who are proven to have a consistant high workrate."
Don't think the starters are the main thing. As has been proven it's the subs that have won the 3 games for us.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 26/02/2019 20:13:39    2168494

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Don't think the starters are the main thing. As has been proven it's the subs that have won the 3 games for us."
Not sure that was by design though ! Andy will start with the best players available no doubt.. Workrate seems a key factor in his selection so far... Objectivity is always the most relable guide anyway.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 841 - 26/02/2019 20:57:59    2168505

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "We'll need a big game from everyone. I think this will be toughest game so far. We beat an off form Tipp team, nearly beat a depleted Donegal team, got let off the hook against Armagh and beat a Cork team in the doldrums.

I don't want to be overly negative but I just think this one will be a step up from the other games and with the 2017 results in the back of my mind I'm more than a little anxious.

If we get a result we are by no means home and dry. Clare away will be a tough assignment make no mistake. They have top players like Tubridy who can do a lot of damage.

Fermanagh are unbeaten and will be hard to break down. We will need to have answers to their ultra defensive strategy."
dont think you are been overly negative, its a fair assessment on our games to date,no doubt we have improved in certain areas especially defence. from midfield up there is still a lot of work to be done. Meath are picking up a few injuries which could cost us dearly. Kildare on other hand are getting a few lads back. result on Sunday will decide nothing. Kildare and Donegal still have to play each other and as you said we have two tough games in Clare and Fermanagh. Would be happy with a draw.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 26/02/2019 21:39:45    2168515

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Replying To LoyalRoyal:  "We'll need a big game from everyone. I think this will be toughest game so far. We beat an off form Tipp team, nearly beat a depleted Donegal team, got let off the hook against Armagh and beat a Cork team in the doldrums.

I don't want to be overly negative but I just think this one will be a step up from the other games and with the 2017 results in the back of my mind I'm more than a little anxious.

If we get a result we are by no means home and dry. Clare away will be a tough assignment make no mistake. They have top players like Tubridy who can do a lot of damage.

Fermanagh are unbeaten and will be hard to break down. We will need to have answers to their ultra defensive strategy."
Think this is a very honest assessment.

We've done much better than I had anticipated so far. But Kildare on Sunday is a completely different proposition to what we've faced so far. Both times we've faced them with Andy at the helm, we've been beaten out the gate when in both games it had all the hallmarks of a close game. Lose on Sunday, and we're likely to be 4th and needing to win our last 2 games to have any chance.
I think we still can technically get relegated but it would take a ridiculous set of results in the last three games to make that happen (Down got relegated last year with 6 points). I think we can safely say that we'll stay up this season.

At this point, I'm just sick of being in division 2. It's been 12 seasons and we've spent 11 of them in the same division. I don't even care if we go straight back down next year (which we'd almost certainly do if we were promoted), I just want to see us try our luck with the best teams in the country week by week. If the lads put in a performance on Sunday and are beaten, then I'd have no complaints. But we cannot afford to not show up against Kildare for the third time in a row.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1198 - 27/02/2019 09:03:32    2168579

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Replying To nobull456:  "Not sure that was by design though ! Andy will start with the best players available no doubt.. Workrate seems a key factor in his selection so far... Objectivity is always the most relable guide anyway."
Think it's actually very much by design, and circumstances, the injuries to O'Sullivan and Reilly ruled them both out for 70 minutes, so he decided rather than have them on in first half he would bring them on in second, even said so in interviews, that it's not the best team that starts but the best team finishes games in modern football, the only worry is that Reilly will be fit for the 70 mins on Sunday if Brennan looks like losing his battle against time. Injuries are now creeping in, we have no James McEntee Brennan is 50/50 and O'Sullivan I haven't heard from, so it's all about now rearranging team to get a result

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 27/02/2019 14:34:54    2168690

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "Think this is a very honest assessment.

We've done much better than I had anticipated so far. But Kildare on Sunday is a completely different proposition to what we've faced so far. Both times we've faced them with Andy at the helm, we've been beaten out the gate when in both games it had all the hallmarks of a close game. Lose on Sunday, and we're likely to be 4th and needing to win our last 2 games to have any chance.
I think we still can technically get relegated but it would take a ridiculous set of results in the last three games to make that happen (Down got relegated last year with 6 points). I think we can safely say that we'll stay up this season.

At this point, I'm just sick of being in division 2. It's been 12 seasons and we've spent 11 of them in the same division. I don't even care if we go straight back down next year (which we'd almost certainly do if we were promoted), I just want to see us try our luck with the best teams in the country week by week. If the lads put in a performance on Sunday and are beaten, then I'd have no complaints. But we cannot afford to not show up against Kildare for the third time in a row."
How many of the team that will most likely play the on Sunday were involved in 17? Those I know who weren't are colgan, Ryan ,Kane , Devine , campion , Brennan (if fit) , O'Reilly, McCoy.
can't recall and not gonna look it up , but was lavin involved? Think Shane was, was Newman? Probably,
So that's 8 players at least that will be playing if fit against Kildare for first time. Wouldn't be drawing any comparison to 17, mcentee first year in charge, taking them over at a very low ebb, this is more reminiscent of a Andy team, nonetheless a huge game and with the injuries and those who may not play , made all the more difficult. However I think we can sneak a win.
Hon the royal.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 27/02/2019 14:47:51    2168695

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Think it's actually very much by design, and circumstances, the injuries to O'Sullivan and Reilly ruled them both out for 70 minutes, so he decided rather than have them on in first half he would bring them on in second, even said so in interviews, that it's not the best team that starts but the best team finishes games in modern football, the only worry is that Reilly will be fit for the 70 mins on Sunday if Brennan looks like losing his battle against time. Injuries are now creeping in, we have no James McEntee Brennan is 50/50 and O'Sullivan I haven't heard from, so it's all about now rearranging team to get a result"
Forwards are now our weakest area. Really only Newman because of his freetaking has the edge for a place. It seems even without injuries the remainder of forwards are roughly the same standard. I would tend to go with the younger players with an eye to the future. Andy and selectors are best placed to decide who gets the nod. I imagine workrate will influence . For this match full throttle all the way with no room for standing back. This match will tell a lot about where we are and how far we have come. For me maintaining a place in div 2 means just that status quo maintained..

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 841 - 27/02/2019 15:47:11    2168717

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ur right, in fairness to the 3 players you mentioned I don't think they have been coming up short this year. All 3 have had decent performances. Yeah there has been the odd mistake. But that has happened with every player."
Lads.,.mc Mahon has been around since o dowds day and and hasn't warranted a Meath jersey in 3 years ,his score tally in that time for a forward is very poor . The jury is still out on Newman ,and o Reilly is a work horse that defenitly is what we need

crosstheline (Meath) - Posts: 5 - 27/02/2019 22:25:27    2168803

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Replying To nobull456:  "Forwards are now our weakest area. Really only Newman because of his freetaking has the edge for a place. It seems even without injuries the remainder of forwards are roughly the same standard. I would tend to go with the younger players with an eye to the future. Andy and selectors are best placed to decide who gets the nod. I imagine workrate will influence . For this match full throttle all the way with no room for standing back. This match will tell a lot about where we are and how far we have come. For me maintaining a place in div 2 means just that status quo maintained.."
Yeah Newman is probably first of the forwards because of his frees, but also recently his ball winning ability has been good. But I rate Thomas O'Reilly, I reckon he is second on the team sheet with regard forwards. I think he has great potential, there is a skillful swagger about him. I was really impressed with him this year.
He slowly growing in confidence. I have looking for forward to score when we are under-pressure or to play well under pressure. (There is any amount that can score when we are 5 or 6 up )
We all know it has been a major weakness of ours in the past to score when its most needed. I think Thomas did really well against Armagh scoring a great point when we really needed it. ( and was fouled for the penalty) Also in that game he was down in his own half back line looking for the ball and carrying it forward breaking tackles etc. he was my MOM that day. And played a similar role against Cork the last. I hope he doesn't let me down Sunday. I sure he wont.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 28/02/2019 10:05:16    2168828

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Yeah Newman is probably first of the forwards because of his frees, but also recently his ball winning ability has been good. But I rate Thomas O'Reilly, I reckon he is second on the team sheet with regard forwards. I think he has great potential, there is a skillful swagger about him. I was really impressed with him this year.
He slowly growing in confidence. I have looking for forward to score when we are under-pressure or to play well under pressure. (There is any amount that can score when we are 5 or 6 up )
We all know it has been a major weakness of ours in the past to score when its most needed. I think Thomas did really well against Armagh scoring a great point when we really needed it. ( and was fouled for the penalty) Also in that game he was down in his own half back line looking for the ball and carrying it forward breaking tackles etc. he was my MOM that day. And played a similar role against Cork the last. I hope he doesn't let me down Sunday. I sure he wont."
Yes.....Thomas is one of the younger players worth going with. I see the potential there allright j Campion also...eventhough he was quite enough last day. ...Both those lads are team players which is an added plus.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 841 - 28/02/2019 14:17:29    2168894

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The problem in this game is the injuries to James McEntee, Brennan O'Sullivan primarily and the injury to Reilly since obc, has biggie got 70 mins in him? How long is mcentee out for? How bad is the injury to Brennan? How bad is injury to O'Sullivan? I'd be more hopeful if we knew the answer to these questions.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 28/02/2019 16:38:29    2168922

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Replying To royaldunne:  "The problem in this game is the injuries to James McEntee, Brennan O'Sullivan primarily and the injury to Reilly since obc, has biggie got 70 mins in him? How long is mcentee out for? How bad is the injury to Brennan? How bad is injury to O'Sullivan? I'd be more hopeful if we knew the answer to these questions."
How long before Biggie gets over this injury Royaldune? He came on early against Dublin in the O'Byrne Cup and Cillian O'Sullivan didn't play at all that day but yet he played 60 mins against Cork.

Do you think he will be able for 70 mins against Offaly?

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 28/02/2019 17:03:41    2168927

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Lads and lassies - tell everyone you know to get out and support the team on Sunday.

The lads have worked damn hard to get to this point and it's time the Meath gravy train got out in full force.

If we have any designs in making it to division 1 , Kildare is a team we should be beating.

Meath by +4

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1668 - 28/02/2019 20:09:58    2168966

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Replying To bert09:  "Lads and lassies - tell everyone you know to get out and support the team on Sunday.

The lads have worked damn hard to get to this point and it's time the Meath gravy train got out in full force.

If we have any designs in making it to division 1 , Kildare is a team we should be beating.

Meath by +4"
Bringing full compliment in 7 seater. :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 28/02/2019 21:29:52    2168995

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